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Merging everything in Category:Yorkton Film Festival awards
All these articles, while well-written, seem quite unnecessary. The goal of the encyclopedia is not to list every single award that has been handed out at this event. WP:N, WP:LISTCRUFT. 162 etc. (talk) 04:20, 6 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Support merge – the article is completely unnecessary WP:NOTDIRECTORY Zenomonoz (talk) 05:49, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, I think you probably are well within your rights to merge at this point. Zenomonoz (talk) 10:29, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. 162 etc. (talk) 20:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The goal of Wikipedia is to have articles about notable things, and therefore Wikipedia's goals are in no way incompatible with having articles about notable awards — so if you believe (wrongly) that the awards aren't notable at all, then they should have been taken to WP:AFD, but disappearing them under the radar in a completely unadvertised talk page discussion with only one participant besides yourself is absolutely unacceptable. Film festivals very routinely have articles that list their award winners — TIFF has that, Cannes has that, Berlin has that, and on and so forth — so listing film festival award winners is not fundamentally incompatible with Wikipedia's goals. If you want to mount an (incorrect) case that this film festival's awards are uniquely less notable than other film festivals' awards, then that's a matter for AFD to reach a consensus about, and not a matter for you to arbitrarily impose by yourself without input. Bearcat (talk) 02:59, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:N, WP:MERGE, and WP:BOLD. 162 etc. (talk) 22:18, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Please explain precisely how you're alleging that properly referenced articles about a notable film festival's awards were in any way a notability failure in the first place, and please explain precisely what in either MERGE or BOLD constitutes any sort of mic drop on what I said. If these fail NOTDIRECTORY, then so does every single other one of the thousands of other articles we have listing the winners of and nominees for significant film awards, many of which are much more poorly sourced than these were even though sourcing is the determiner of notability or lack thereof — precisely how were these NOTDIRECTORY violations if Academy Award for Best Picture and Toronto International Film Festival People's Choice Award and BAFTA Award for Best Film and César Award for Best Film and Golden Globe Award for Best Motion Picture – Drama and everything else in aren't NOTDIRECTORY violations? What, precisely, are you claiming makes Yorkton different from other film awards when it comes to the right to have articles listing their nominees and/or winners? What makes Yorkton's awards "directories" if other film awards aren't "directories"? Bearcat (talk) 14:30, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I haven't done any research into these other articles, and, were I to do so, I may very well be in favour of merging unnotable or listcruft content. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. 162 etc. (talk) 17:38, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * You wouldn't find any unnotable or listcruft content, because they're notable awards whose winners and nominees are not cruft. That's not up for any debate or discussion, either, as it's established consensus that if an award has the reliable source coverage to be established as a notable award (which Yorkton certainly does), then a list of its winners and/or nominees is encyclopedic and relevant content that should be present in either its article or an appropriate spinoff article (such as a separate category-specific list for each category if it's an award that presents multiple categories and/or a separate year-specific article for each annual iteration of it). So, again, the question is what makes Yorkton's awards different from the Oscars or TIFF or Cannes or the Césars, and the words "directory" and "cruft" and "non-notable" have nothing to do with it. Bearcat (talk) 19:25, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * It's clear that you believe that the Yorkton Film Festival awards meet Wikipedia notability criteria and deserve individual articles; I disagree, as did the other commenter above.  I've made good-faith edits based on my interpretation of Wikipedia policies and guidelines.  I'm not interested in making edits to the Oscars or TIFF or other festivals, so I don't know why you are trying to insert those into the conversation.
 * I don't have anything further to add here; I'll leave it up to you and others to determine consensus. Thank you for helping make the encyclopedia a better place. 162 etc. (talk) 19:55, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I "believe" that because I'm correct. The definition of notability is that the subject has a WP:GNG-worthy volume of reliable source coverage about it, which the award articles plainly demonstrated that they do have — so precisely what other criteria exists upon which they can possibly be deemed non-notable despite having a volume and depth and quality of sourcing that clearly pass GNG? And I'm "inserting" TIFF and the Oscars into the conversation because they're RELEVANT TO THE CONVERSATION. You claimed, falsely, that articles listing the winners and nominees of notable awards are somehow WP:NOTDIRECTORY-violating listcruft — so I provided several comparable and relevant examples of similar articles that do exist to prove that that that's not how directory and listcruft work, because notable film awards are expected to have articles that list their past winners and/or nominees — but you keep dodging the question and asserting that these awards aren't notable, without explaining why they aren't notable. They clearly don't fail notability on the basis of not meeting WP:GNG on the sourcing, because they had more than enough sourcing to pass any rational reading of GNG — and they clearly don't fail notability on the basis of listing winners not being a thing we do for film awards, because listing winners is a thing we do do for film awards all the damn time. So what is the basis on which you think Yorkton's awards are "non-notable"? Why do you keep changing the subject and not answering that? Bearcat (talk) 21:38, 3 December 2023 (UTC)