Talk:Yoseikan Aikido

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Hi Graham,

Let me start off by saying that I like your Yoseikan Aikido article and its content.

Shortly before you posted it we were handling what perceived to be a double entry issue under Yoseikan and Yoseikan Budo and so merged the two.(see discussion section of Yoseikan Budo.)

I'm wondering what your thinking was behind adding a new section on Yoseikan aikido which I would think would come under the blanket term Yoseikan Budo? To me it would we like having separate sections for Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto ryu and TSKSR iaijutsu.

But perhaps this is not fair. What's your thinking on this?--Mateo2006 17:01, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Graham also created Yoseikan Karate. I have to say there is quite a bit of redundant information with Yoseikan Budo and between the two new entries.  Personally I think a little bit of editing is in order that we have one main article with Aikido and Karate sub-articles.  The use of references needs to get fixed and there are a few changes required with respect to  WP:MOS-JP and WikiProject Martial Arts.  I may even suggest creating a Yoseikan category.Peter Rehse 00:33, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Could you be more specific about what is redundant in this Yoseikan Aikido and in the Yoseikan Karate? The only thing I can see is that some of the introductory paragraph in Yoseikan Budo article could be done away with. For example, the definition of the term Yoseikan, which is handled in the Yoseikan entry. The date cited in the introductory paragraph of the Yoseikan Budo article is also incorrect. The term Yoseikan Budo began being used in 1972, in 1931 Yoseikan was just the name of the dojo, as described in the Yoseikan entry. The origins of both Yoseikan Aikido and Yoseikan Karate precede 1972 and hence look very different, they maintain more in common with their root arts (Aikido and Shotokan Karate respectively) than with modern Yoseikan Budo. I see very little doubling of information. Grahamwild 14:06, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I take it back - not so redundant and I do see the point of separate articles. I went through the article and fixed it up a bit with respect to WP:MOS-JP and WikiProject Martial Arts. Mainly the references are now in the prefered format. Also wiki prefers minimal wiki links - usually the first time a term appears. Definately not every time. It also prefers titles kept to an absolute minimum - something about confusing non-martial artists. I see you also created a Dojos category (no s with Japanese plurals for us purists but no matter) - perhaps a Yoseikan category would also be useful. I definately think the Yoseikan Budo article needs to be changed so that it points earlier to both your new articles which I like by the way. I had thought that the Yoseikan should be changed to a disambiguation page but now think it is fine - still that is an option. Hope this helps.Peter Rehse 06:50, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

PS I didn't touch the Yoseikan Karate article yet which needs the same sort of changes. Mainly to consider any thoughts you might have on the changes I made here.Peter Rehse 07:20, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the corrections, I am a rookie. I did not know that minimal wikilinks were prefered, I thought I read the opposite, maybe it was just me, I will keep that in mind in future. I have know idea what you are trying to say with "It also prefers titles kept to an absolute minimum - something about confusing non-martial artists" what titles?  In the English language the term "dojos" is the plural of term "dojo" although in the Japanese language it is its own plural.  This is wiki/en so I would suggest the category "Dojos" is more descriptive then the alternative "Dojo" although the category will mostly be used on English pages relating to Japanese buildings so a change to "Dojo" would okay. Regards Grahamwild 08:49, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Let's take this to our user pagesPeter Rehse 08:50, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Techniques
Two things;

1) The literal translation for Yuki Chigai (to pass by) does not really describe the technique very well. Obviously Kote Hineri (forearm twist) is a much better name, but I do think the loose translation "under arm twist" is both descriptive of the lock and the idea of "going under" the arm.

2) Ushiro Kami Otoshi (lit: rear hair drop) was not included in the list as it is not a standard technique in any of the other 3 main different styles (if done at all). However, Ushiro Sumi Otoshi is a technique in both Aikikai, and Shodokan (Tomiki), I have seen Gozo Shioda do the technique, but I have not come across a name for it in any Yoshinkan text.

Regards, Grahamwild 15:20, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Pictures?
This article has grown into a very worthwhile one. It is probably being held back from promotion due to its lack of pictures.

If anyone has a wiki friendly one it would be a nice addition.--Mateo2006 08:03, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * How does one go about adding images to wikipedia? Grahamwild 16:39, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Styles template
I can not say whether or not Yoseikan should be considered a "major style". The definition is not clear cut, and I don't see that the template serves any major purpose. I have removed it from the article. There is also a general discussion about the usage of the template, on Template talk:Major styles of aikido. // habj 11:54, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

D. Glenn Pack and US Yoseikan
Pack (with his wife and fellow teacher Patricia Saiz), returned to the University of Alabama by 1978 (when I started) and taught there through the mid/late '80s, before moving to, and founding Yoseikan Budo dojos at, Baylor University (Waco, Tx, USA) and later at Stetson University (Deland, Florida, USA).

The YB style at UA was still primarily Aikido when I started in '78, though there was a definite progression towards a more Jiu-Jitsu basis over the next 8-10 years or so.

I didn't edit the main page info because I didn't have an exact date for Glenn's return to UA, and as this was around the time of the name change from Aikido to Budo, wasn't sure if it was appropriate to the topic. SBButler (talk) 06:36, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

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