Talk:Yoshi's Island/Archive 1

Release Dates
There are some inconsistencies in the release dates. The two sources in external links conflict; I don't know which is right. --Pagrashtak 17:38, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * When there are conflicts, and one of the dates has an "01", it's always a *very* safe assumption that the "01" is incorrect. 01 is extremely common as a placeholder for unknown values in these sorts of databases.  Therefore, there is no reason to distrust GameFAQs here. --Ecksemmess 23:25, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Super FX
It should be mentioned that since the game used the Super FX microchip, the quality of the game's graphics would have to suffer. 156.34.220.224 14:58, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Quite the opposite, actually. Andre (talk) 03:26, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Would you mind explaining? I meant that if the graphics were made like Donkey Kong Country or the previous Super Mario World game, high quality, there would not be enough room on the cartridge for the entire game. Take a look at any game which used the Super FX chip, the game play was relatively slow and the quality of the graphics were quite simple (Star Fox, Stunt Race). 156.34.231.34 03:26, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You are confusing games that used the Super FX chip for full 3D graphics, like Star Fox, with games that used it primarily for sprite scaling and rotation, like Yoshi's Island. The graphics in Yoshi's Island are, for my money, the very best on the SNES. Rufous 13:21, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I understand now, thanks. I don't think the graphics are really that great, though. –Damon32 14:25, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Removing External Links
I've decided to go ahead and remove a link in the article to a website called "VGCritics." It has nothing to do with the article aside from the fact that the game receives a brief mention. Its basically a way for the author of the site/article (who probably put the link there in the first place) to get more hits. 66.245.40.93 05:26, 12 November 2006 (UTC)kaz

Virtual Console
In the remakes section it states that there have been no announcements concerning the game's release on the virtual console, which is true. Yet in the info box at the top-left of the page Virtual Console is listed as one of the platforms. Reason behind this? Krapehtta 19:20, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Borrowed Yoshi sprite?
How long did Yoshi's Island take to be made? Because if you noticed, the Yoshi sprite was also used in Yoshi's Cookie and Super Mario Bros. 3 (Super Mario All-Stars). Could it be that while the game was in development, the Yoshi sprite was "borrowed" to be used in these two games? This reminds me of the Mario sprite in SMB2 which was modified from SMB3 when it was in development, back then.

First off I'm testing you.

Super Mario World was his first appearance.

Not Yoshi's Cookie or Yoshi.

As for this actual topic I don't know... This is really just specualtion that shouldn't be added. Angry Sun 21:55, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

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Critical Reception
Its be great to see a section detailing the critical reception of the game as the artical gives no indication as to its quality. IMHO the game is one of the best nintendo have ever made and yet you can't tell this from the article. 88.110.167.14 15:15, 24 May 2006


 * I am rewriting this section. The part about "likely reasons" for its "failure" is complete speculation. Comparing the sales figures of Super Mario World to Yoshi's Island is similarly disingenuous &#8212; they are two games released at the complete opposite ends of the console's lifetime. Rufous 14:49, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you, your re-write is great, it puts forth both positive and negative critical views and mentions the lack of commerical success. Hope you don't mind, I made some small edits to give proof that the information is true. 156.34.222.92 15:22, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I do not understand this insistence on mentioning an (uncited) negative review in "Game Players" magazine. A page such as this one from Gamerankings suggests that they were in a very tiny minority, or were just plain wrong. Critical appreciation for this game is as unanimous as it gets. Rufous 15:54, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * An opinion can't be wrong. ( : What we need is reviews from 1995-1996, what critics thought then. It's already mentioned that critics love it today. ( : It's like saying that Disney's Sleeping Beauty was a huge blockbuster and critics praised it when it originally came out. Which is untrue in that case. 156.34.226.37 16:03, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Opinions sure can be wrong. 153.104.14.64 (talk) 15:57, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Something has to be mentioned about how one of the reasons for this game not being successful in the US is that it is NOT a direct sequel to Super Mario World, as the title would inaccurately suggest. 172.128.165.7 00:49, 10 September 2006


 * I think it also had something to do with the graphics, the game was released in a time when each game was trying to outdo each other in graphical quality...then suddenly this comes along. 156.34.214.222 03:42, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


 * A big part of the problem is this title was released at the end of the SNES lifetime, when it was competing with newer 32 bit consoles. And just to back up what was said earlier regarding comparisons to Super Mario World-SMW was a pack in with the SNES a good many years, thus it's disengenous to compare it to Yoshi's Island. 130.126.219.176 01:55, 24 September 2006


 * Also, take a look at when Super Mario World was declared a "Player's Choice" title...1998. It had a much longer time to accumulate sales. Yoshi453 14:49, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I have to discard my objectivity, I absolutely loved this very original game. ~ Rollo44 04:43, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Reception Section
Yoshi's Island is widely regarded as one of the best games ever made yet the article barely reflects this. Can we get some review scores and quotes for the original (and remake, for comparison purposes)? I'd suggest Edge, Nintendo Power, Official Nintendo Magazine (would have been NMS back then I think) as a start. I'll look through my old issues for some quotes. Darrek Attilla (talk) 10:41, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Naming
The precedent for moving this article to Super Mario: Yoshi Island is mistaken. Yoshi's Universal Gravitation is the world-wide English name for the Yoshi Topsy-Turvy; the world-wide name trumps the American name. However, Super Mario: Yoshi Island is only the Japanese name for the game, and is properly known in English as Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island. --MaskedSheik 00:55, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * See also Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels for an article in the same situation. MaskedSheik 05:50, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know about that. "Yoshi's Island: Super Mario World 2" is what is written on top of the cartridge, used in the booklet, and what Nintendo of America used in its own materials (Nintendo Power, and now, its webpage.)  So that is the proper name, and it seems that "Super Mario World 2" was placed higher in the logo for aesthetic reasons.  "Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island" is no way the proper title, just the accepted title now used. 65.78.76.109 03:34, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhaps. I'm not scholar on Wikipedia's naming guidelines, so I'll leave it to you to make any such changes. Both choices, of course, are preferable to Super Mario: Yoshi Island. – Masked   SHEIK  (talk) (contrib) 02:19, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The title of the game doesn't appear inline in the booklet so I don't know what you're talking about. Megata Sanshiro (talk) 07:45, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Decide on a plural
We need to decide if the plural of "Yoshi" is "Yoshies" (used in the game) or "Yoshis" (probably more common) and make the article use one form consistently. - furrykef (Talk at me) 11:30, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
 * It's Yoshi.


 * aegith - I'm pretty sure the Yoshi's Island manual says "Yoshies." While "Yoshi" might be correct in japanese, since it's translated to english we must pluralize correctly (after all, they don't have capital letters in japanese - it's "Yoshi's Island," not "yoshi's island.")  Not to mention that Super Smash Bros. Melee refers to multiples as Yoshis, not Yoshi - so while we can't determine whether Yoshies or Yoshis is strictly correct, we can rule out Yoshi as the proper plural (at least in the context of non-japanese releases of the game.) - 16:07, 7 September 2006


 * Old discussion, but for anyone reading this in the future - Every grammar book I've ever read says that when pluralizing a proper name, only an "S" is added. Think about it - do singers win "Grammies" or "Grammys"? Thus, even though the game says "Yoshies", "Yoshis" is correct. TenPoundHammer 00:07, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The Yoshi Clan --Xparasite9 (talk) 03:00, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Plot too short...and boring...
This plot is too short. This Plot section in the article lacks much info and makes it sound like baby Luigi gets kidnapped by Kamek, then baby Mario falls to Yoshi's Island and lands on a green Yoshi and saves Baby Luigi from Baby Bowser and that's it. It sounds like the game ended before it even began, or as soon as baby Mario landed on Yoshi. Make a mention of the Yoshis venturing through each of the six worlds and castles and fortresses or something, because the plot section is boring.--Chykka207 (talk) 01:30, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Does it really need a plot section? its a platform game ater all.

I just lengthened it a bit to include the final boss battle. It's not much but it's slightly better than before. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maddogfilms (talk • contribs) 22:31, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

That screenshot…
Does anybody else see a woman's armless and headless torso in panties? (76.64.157.54 (talk) 16:34, 10 June 2009 (UTC))

Yes, I think someone jokingly put that there in the article as an in-joke.
 * I know Wikipedia is not censored, but the reason I think that it doesn't belong is that it's distracting to the article itself. Could an alternative be obtained? Just curious. Regards, 24.10.181.254 (talk) 22:15, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

NO MADE IN JAPAN
Game is not anime-style —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.35.130.53 (talk) 10:34, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

SMW2 edits
I propose we look at the previous discussion pertaining to SMW on the 3DS here; Talk:Super_Mario_World and decide (with consensus) on the wording this article should have to avoid further editing issues. Ottawa4ever (talk) 17:26, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Graphics
The part about Shigeru personally rejecting the Donkey Kong Country-style graphics and opting for a crayon-inspired design.....I find this section very interesting. For sake of my curiosity as well as for the article, could somebody find a source for this statement? MaskedSheik 03:58, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm the person who attempted to edit this section yesterday. I was anonymous because I neglected to log on. The section on development contains multiple errors, and perpetuates the recent rumors that Miyamoto disliked Donkey Kong:

1. "Impressed by the recently released Donkey Kong Country, which sported pre-rendered graphics, they ordered the game's producer, Shigeru Miyamoto, to move the visuals in this direction. Miyamoto ... altered the graphics to look as if they had been drawn with crayons and felt-pens, and more cartoonish, and resubmitted it to the evaluation committee, who passed the game."

- This makes it sound like he moved in the "cartoony" direction merely because he was angry about being told to upgrade the graphics. From what I understand, this is not the case: the game ALREADY was cartoony when Miyamoto was told that it needed a graphical upgrade. He simply worked to improve the graphics the graphics more.

2. Miyamoto, who did not particularly like Donkey Kong Country..." - I would like to apologize that I get angry every time I see someone say this, BUT I BELIEVE THAT IT IS NOT TRUE. Miyamoto has repeated denied that he ever thought that. While it is true that he did resent the fact that he was told to graphically upgrade SMW2:Yoshi's Island, he never meant to imply that he disliked Donkey Kong Country. For instance, see this IGN interview with Miyamoto: http://wii.ign.com/articles/110/1100039p3.html

IGN: I'm wondering, which parts of Donkey Kong Country did you like versus not like? And what did you address with them?

Miyamoto: The first point that I want to make is that I actually worked very closely with Rare on the original Donkey Kong Country. And apparently recently some rumor got out that I didn't really like that game? I just want to clarify that that's not the case, because I was very involved in that. And even emailing almost daily with Tim Stamper right up until the end. Isn't this enough source material to at least start fixing this section? --osrevad (talk) 22:36, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Stork's map?
It there any indication that the map the Yoshis follow belonged to the stork, or is even a real map in any sense of the word? I have played this game several times, loved it to bits, and have seen nothing to indicate this. Rawling 09:35, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Probably. 4.232.111.16 31 March 2006

Are you A kid? Talker26 (talk • contribs) 10:05, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, when baby mario and luigi were being delivered, this was given to the stork or maybe even made by him, but i dont think its meant to be the real world, it was just a map to find and deliver the babies. 195.8.175.33 14:14, 18 May 2006

Okay....
I think the screen-shot of the gameplay is kind of iffy. Like another editor mentioned, Wiki isn't censored; however, I tend to agree that it is distracting from the article. No one ever addressed that editor's comment. Could an alternate picture be used? Please respond. If that sounds unnecessary to replace it, just come out and say it, please. Don't just give the 'silent treatment'. That picture is an issue to two editors (well, it is now, at least, assuming that editor is still active). If there is opposition to replacing it, just come out and say it. Thanks, 67.182.237.57 (talk) 05:03, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I would also suggest changing the screenshot, but not for the same reason-- it isn't representative of the game play; Yoshi is just standing there. A screenshot that has more action, say, of fighting enemies, jumping or shooting eggs, would be a lot better. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 05:11, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's a good point. That's probably more important than my concern. Does the uploading of pictures on Wikipedia require an account rather than (me for example) just uploading from my anonymous IP address? I wonder because I'd be willing to submit a picture, and upon uploading, you and others could approve or disapprove of it. The only catch might be I'd be using free a picture of actual game-play from a website named http://themushroomkingdom.net; would such a picture qualify depending on resolution and fair use? I also am curious if I would need to obtain permission from that website...I also don't know how to give a "Fair Use" rationale if it was OK to use. I only ask these questions because I don't want to beg someone else to do it if it's a hassle for them. One other concern: Do we need more people to voice their opinion before I can see if it's okay to switch pictures? Sorry, I'm not exactly a Wikipedia veteran. 67.182.237.57 (talk) 22:42, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * You don't need to be a veteran. If someone posts a link to a screen shot they think is good then I can go ahead upload it here and replace it.AerobicFox (talk) 23:54, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Virtual console
I made an edit giving the reason for the game not "yet" being available on the Virtual Console being due to the Super FX 2 chip being difficult to emulate and it was very annoyingly undone. --194.83.82.3 (talk) 11:11, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Your edit was removed because it was speculative and provided no source. Per WP:VERIFY, you need to include a reliable citation that explicitly states the chip is the sole reason the game isn't released yet. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 11:29, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I've actually found a reliable source stating that it's false that the Super FX 2 would reason this game is not on the VC. A search brings up multiple sources or varying reliability stating that link between the game's use of the Super FX 2 and the lack of VC release, however, so that 1up piece may be just a personal opinion.  Salvidrim!   14:51, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Dev team
The Nintendo Life original review says the game was developed by EAD, and the IGN rerelease review says the game was developed by EAD and R&D2, which would imply that R&D2 worked on the Super Mario Advance ports. Can't find a reliable source that says so. If anyone has time to look into which dev team did what, I'd appreciate some help with the source research. Otherwise it's a low priority. czar ⨹   15:51, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

DYK nomination

 * Did you know nominations/Super Mario World 2: Yoshi’s Island czar ⨹   03:31, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Dev interview from Haou magazine
Newly published translation here:. Someone may want to add some info if there's any. TarkusAB 01:21, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Mario History?
Is there anything that can be added about the change in the canon of Mario and Luigi's history? As far as I recall, the original story had the 2 plumber brothers transported from Brooklyn to the Mushroom Kingdom via a warp pipe. And that they were 'brothers' (Mario being older than Luigi, but it wasn't specified by how many years, just that they were siblings), rather than 'non identical twins' as Yoshi's Island suggests.

I remember this causing some debate in contemporary magazines at the time of the games release. Surely someone can dig out something and write in a section to beef up what is, currently, a pretty lacklustre article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.107.58 (talk) 14:26, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi,
 * Don't take the lack of response personally; chances are, not many users have seen your message, and of those users who have seen your message, none of them were willing to make the edit your are requesting. If you look at the rest of the talk page, you'll see that this talk page is pretty slow, as not many people are watching it. It's nothing against you, or what you are writing about.
 * Anyway, to the point: you can always make edits yourself. Many users don't want to make edits as they are afraid that they might just get reverted; but you can always be what we describe as bold and go ahead and do it yourself. One of the main things to keep in mind is that whatever you add will need to be sourced. As long as you give a source and make a constructive edit, others will always improve on it over time.
 * If you would like to go ahead and add the content you are writing about, go right ahead. If you would like, I can asist you if you need it; just send me a message on my talk page, whether it be about sources or the content overall. You can also write out what you want, post it on my talk page (as I probably wouldn't see it here, as I may forget) and I'll check it out and make recommendations or edits to it if need be. I'd be willing to do this this myself, but I'm busy at the moment. However, I'd be glad to help you. Thanks, ~Super Hamster  Talk Contribs 01:16, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

It's not so much wanting to change the article itself, it's more a case of having an awareness of something which could be added...... But lacking the 'citations' that are necessary. My point is fairly sensible anyway, if you think about it, or have any awareness of the original Mario 'story'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.107.222 (talk) 11:15, 9 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, I agree with you; I think it would be a nice addition for the article. School's out now, so I'll see if I can find anything and add it to the article. Thanks, ~Super Hamster  Talk Contribs 15:31, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

You come up with anything as yet? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.151.145.187 (talk) 11:32, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Nintendo power released a 100+ page guide for super mario world, along with it was considerable detail regarding marios history, and i belive some back ground information. The guide was called Mario Mania, and was published either in 1991 or 1992 (91 i belive) if you can track down that i think theres considerable amounts of back story to mario and luigi. I imagine also they published a guide for this game (SMW2) which likewise would have additional information regarding this. Id check the guide myself but its buried deep within my attics mines and would take alot of time to locate.....Can anyone confrim/deny out there?Ottawa4ever (talk) 12:57, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

OK, 3 months down the road now..... Has anyone found anything in relation to this? I take it school must be 'back in' by now too.... Oh well, I'll keep my eyes peeled for changes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.109.131 (talk) 12:29, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Might be something; but they intend to release a 32 page booklet on mario history with the mario collection coming out this fall; . Might help with the canon and offical back stories. Ottawa4ever (talk) 18:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Another 7 months on now, and still nothing added or discussed.... Does anyone care about this article anymore? I've found several online web pages which contain the 'original' story of Mario/Luigi's warp pipe accident and arrival in the Mushroom Kingdom... But none seem to have anything about why Nintendo chose to rewrite the history for Yoshi's Island to suggest they are non identical twins and were apparently born in the Mushroom Kingdom.... That and the fact web pages are not deemed 'reliable' sources anyway mean this important aspect of the game is unlikely to ever get put into the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.122.94.159 (talk) 15:58, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

5 Months more... Still nothing... Is anybody out there??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.248.124 (talk) 15:16, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, we're out here. Have you found a reliable source yet? -- Salvidrim! (t • c) 19:48, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

I never said I had one, or could find one...... All I know is what is self evident from the game. It re-writes the Mario story, plain and simple. I was hoping that someone could track down what I can't... Or at least add something to the article to make it clear what those changes were (uncited or not). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.104.218 (talk) 22:53, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

I take it this 'section' won't be added to the article then...... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.25.209.159 (talk) 22:41, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If there is a reliable source, the information may be added. :)  Salvidrim!   23:00, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

That's a 'no' then, as we're another 22 months further on and nothing's happened......... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.129.176.47 (talk) 01:25, 2 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Tried searching for a source again, no luck though...I do sincerely applaud you for sticking with this for 3.5 years, though. Some kind of record, I think. ~Super Hamster  Talk Contribs 09:19, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Still nothing, from anyone.... Is it finally time for me to give up, another 27 months down the line...... I was really hoping someone would have been able to find something.... 146.199.122.143 (talk) 17:48, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

UK/EU release date
, re:, would you please share a scan of your source? Also check the article's Development section first to see where your information figures in. czar 14:23, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, anybody could just state a release date from some old obscure magazine and claim it as factual. I wouldn't be against reverting these edits unless a scan is provided, just on the basis of it being too hard to verify by the general public. Also, the general EU date could vary from the UK date. ~ Dissident93  ( talk ) 15:45, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Notes from the rewrite
I removed the specific days of the release dates because they were inconsistent between sources and, to my editorial opinion, not worth debating for the intents of the article. For those interested, see the Next Generation spread and the Nintendo Life metadata box. czar ⨹   16:07, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

The game is primarily called "Yoshi's Island" in the sources as if SMW2 was its subtitle (indeed it is written as such in some cases, and is omitted altogether for the SMA3 subtitle in the rerelease). So while I think it should be kept in the lede as the official title, its common name is just "Yoshi's Island". Some refs:
 * http://www.ign.com/articles/2010/05/24/yoshi-evolution-of-a-dinosaur?page=4
 * http://www.ign.com/articles/2010/05/24/yoshi-evolution-of-a-dinosaur?page=9
 * 1001 Video Games You Must Play Before You Die entry (p. 285)
 * DieHard GameFan review
 * http://www.nintendolife.com/reviews/2009/07/super_mario_world_2_yoshis_island_retro actually refers to SMW2 as the subtitle

czar ⨹   21:58, 3 April 2015 (UTC)


 * The prose/footnoting has severely degraded over the last two years, if anyone has time to restore from the GA version czar  15:54, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Plot
Just wanted to open up a discussion about it, so we're doing our due diligence in documenting the issue. The points of contention seem to be included in this edit.

Judging off the edit summaries include:
 * 1) It's too long of a plot summary for a video game with virtually no story.
 * 2) The tone is off. It sounds more like someone informally telling a story than something out of an encyclopedia.
 * 3) Its redundant to content covered elsewhere (like in the gameplay section.)
 * 4) It is unsourced. (Sometimes okay for plot sections, but not some of the other rather bold claims, like the fact that it was one of the first games with "beautiful graphics" or that it had a cartoon that was cancelled for legal reasons.)

The only counterpoint I've seen given is "WP:RVV", which is irrelevant and invalid, as its removal is not vandalism, but rather, rooted in policy and guidelines, and even if those reasons were completely wrong, they appear to be made in good faith.

Is this a correct assessment of the situation? Sergecross73  msg me  12:41, 2 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes. Popcornduff (talk) 12:49, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Right dates
I'm right. Those dates are August 5, 1995 in Japan, October 4, 1995 in North America, and October 5, 1995 in Europe. Benjaminkirsc (talk) 13:58, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
 * What are your sources? Sergecross73   msg me  15:31, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 November 2018
70.243.160.124 (talk) 20:49, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * You didn't ask for anything to be changed. TarkusAB talk 20:54, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Super Mario Bros. 5 listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Super Mario Bros. 5. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. signed,Rosguill talk 20:30, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Untitled
There's no need to have separate articles on Mario and baby Mario. Quoting Check your fiction; "Do not unnecessarily create small articles about largely irrelevant fictional characters, locations, objects and so on that can be better integrated into larger articles.". Write about baby Mario in Mario instead. Or write about baby Mario in this article, since he's perhaps most relevant here. Fredrik (talk) 22:53, 12 June 2004 (UTC)

Supposed quote from Shigeru Miyamoto about DKC's art style and reacting against it with Yoshi's Island
I've seen this in various forms stated around the internet over the years, but never have I seen it in any reliable sources. It's a bit like the "640KB ought to be enough for anybody" quote misattributed to Bill Gates, common knowledge but without evidence that it was actually ever said. Please, someone, find a reputable source for this, or it should be removed :) --Chungy (talk) 06:47, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm also a bit suspicious of it, as, like you, I've seen it a lot over the years without a citation. However, the article does give a citation for it in the body, so I've removed your "citation needed" tag as citations are not required for the lead.
 * That said... I would feel reassured if someone with access to the book it cites could double-check it. It might be a misattributed quote the book itself recycles thoughtlessly. Popcornduff (talk) 07:20, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't have access to the book, but according to this Vice article, the quote comes from an interview with Miyamoto published in a 1994 issue of Electronic Games. However, the article notes that Miyamoto was likely stressed out because Nintendo expected Yoshi's Island to look like DKC and he's since backed down from the claim. JOE BRO  64  19:28, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I hope it's not too much trouble to bring this up again, but the video game archivist Frank Cifaldi owns the issue of Electronic Games cited, and claims that Miyamoto made no such statement here. Miyamoto himself also mentioned in a 2010 interview with IGN that he was a closely-involved consultant with Donkey Kong Country and he wanted to dispel "rumors" that he didn't enjoy the game. That The Ultimate History of Video Games book was written by the person who originally conducted the interview, but I don't think it's unlikely that the quote was fabricated to create a stronger narrative. Even with a citation, I think it should be treated as apocryphal and removed. Serena Strawberry (talk) 17:51, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 11 February 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. per consensus against moving. (closed by non-admin page mover) echidnaLives  -  talk  -  edits  06:22, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Yoshi's Island → Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island – Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island rather than just Yoshi's Island is the full WP:COMMONNAME per reliable sources in the article. It's the equivalent of moving The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild to just Breath of the Wild. DecafPotato (talk) 05:22, 11 February 2023 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Oppose - According to the article, "Yoshi's Island was ported to the Game Boy Advance as Yoshi's Island: Super Mario Advance 3 in North America on September 23, 2002". The sequel is called Yoshi's New Island. It's clear that even to Nintendo, the other part was interchangeable. To all but the original reviewers it is commonly called simply "Yoshi's Island", and I would argue that is indeed the common name. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:53, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I think almost 30 years on, "Yoshi's Island" is far and away the common name. Very few contemporary sources type out the full name when referring to this game and there's no ambiguity as to which game they're talking about. Axem Titanium (talk) 06:06, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose move. The common name is "Yoshi's Island".  O.N.R.  (talk) 08:15, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment - Can I get any more details on how we're coming to the COMMONNAME claims on either side of the argument? I'm not voting yet, as all I have is anecdotal evidence...but I always felt like the full name was more frequently used honestly. Sergecross73   msg me  13:50, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * A check of the more recent sources in the gaming press led me to that conclusion, as opposed to contemporaneous ones. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:49, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose. When I went through the sources in 2015 it was far and away the most common name for the topic. It's the best balance of the naming criteria (article titles policy): the most recognizable (the name most people will call it), natural (reflecting what it's usually called), precise (unambiguously identified), and concise (not longer than necessary to identify). czar  22:30, 11 February 2023 (UTC)