Talk:Yoshi's Universal Gravitation

Due to the fact that no one is going to search for "Yoshi's Universal Gravitation", that article now redirects to this one, which I rewrote. --gakon5 (talk)

The Mario Series box
That Mario Series box is dwarfing the article itself. I won't remove it for now, but I think it would look better there is there was more to this article. If anyone that owns this game could help expand this article, that'd be great. --gakon5 (talk)

The box art should be changed all together. After the long discussion about moving the article to "Yoshi's Universal Graviation" instead of "Yohsi's Topsy-Turvy", I'm surprised that the box art shown is still the NA version. Yossarianisdead 00:24, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Not happy...
I'm NOT HAPPY the Spirit pages were removed! Why were they removed instead of merged into 'Yoshi Topsy Turvy's' main page if that was what was wanted. I spent some considerable time on those articles (no matter how good/bad they were) only to have them deleted for no purpose! They are no different than any other Nintendo character page! Why were they deleted and can you get them back? I was planning on finishing all of them when I next had time. Paper Mario has character bios on the game main page why didn't you do that instead of deleting my nice wikipages! There was no point in taking them away AT ALL and I am very, very dissapointed! Why did you do that!!!!!?????



Mr. Mwa Ha Ha does not exsist.
I am an owner of the game Yoshi Topsy-turvy. I have not only beaten the game but I have finished it 100%. I have seen all of the content there is to see and I can honestly say that Mr. Mwa Ha Ha is not a new character, he is not even A character for that matter. He does not exsist at all. Please change this article before I have to.

Mr. Mwa Ha Ha: edited.
There have been no objections concerning Mr.Mwa ha ha's exsistence for more than a week so I changed this article. Mr.Mwa Ha Ha has been taken off the list of characters.

Request move to Yoshi's Universal Gravitiation

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

Move Duja ► 08:59, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

As far as I know, this game is only called Yoshi Topsy-Turvy in the USA. Surely the article should be named after the most commonly used title? Not that I really care about such a terrible game... U-Mos 16:01, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Support - Absolutely agree, everywhere bar the Americas (where the game was released last) knows it by the original name, Yoshi's Universal Gravitation. - hahnch e  n 20:33, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Support. I don't really care who had the game first or how many countries call it which name, but the person who first wrote the article used the title appropriate to his or her region, so that's the one we should be using. In the case of things like video games, all other things being equal, I think this guideline makes the most sense. Kafziel Talk 20:40, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Support It is used everywhere else. Also since it is used in Europe means that this name is an English title so rules about using English is not a valid a oppose rational in this case. Sega Mega Drive is used over Sega Genesis for the same reason. --70.48.109.24 04:40, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose There is no reason to move the article since the name is not wrong, and YUG redirects here. TJ Spyke 06:38, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The article was unilaterally moved in the first place. If anything, the article should be moved back to its original location and then a move discussion should take place. If I moved George W. Bush to "President Bush", we wouldn't need to have a discussion to decide to move it back. Same here. That's the reason. Kafziel Talk 13:53, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I checked the edit history, the article was never moved. DS9 Voyager 01:29, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That's because the user didn't do it correctly. If you see the history, you'll see the 2nd edit was the article move. - hahnch e  n 02:41, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I also don't see how currently being a redirect is a valid reason not to move the article. Many articles have been moved when they were redirects. Also if I am not mistaken using the common name (propsed name used everwhere else) take presidence over not being wrong. For example if Resident Evil 4 was moved to Biohazard 4 (only used in Japan if I am not mistaken) we would not keep it there even though is is technacally not wrong and RE4 was a redirect. I don't see why this should be different since the proposed name is used in more countries than the current one. --64.229.73.101 21:50, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, it's not a valid reason. In fact, a large percentage of move requests are made because the target page is already a redirect and the move needs to be made by an admin. Kafziel Talk 21:56, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I probabally worded my response badily. I actually agreed that it was not a good reason. I am going to reword it to make it clearer. --64.229.73.101 22:08, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose I fail to see reason to move it. The game sold best in North America. Also, that guideline has nothing to do with the Kafziel, it is about things like spelling and grammer. DS9 Voyager 01:29, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You're saying that this game generated more sales in North America than the rest of the world together? Have you just made that up? I know we don't use vgcharts as an authoritative source, but even the Japanese sales figures they quote are greater than the US sales.  The article shouldn't have been moved unilaterally, the original name of the game is "Yoshi's Universal Gravitation", it was only changed to "Yoshi Topsy-Turvy" when it was released in America last. - hahnch  e  n 02:41, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Even if it did sell more in N.A I am also not aware of any policy, guideline, or essay that says if a game sells more in a region that the name from that region should be used. We should be using existing policies in deciding this move. --65.95.17.176 02:49, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I know the guideline doesn't specifically address this, but I choose to use it that way. It makes sense. A lot more sense than basing the names on which country sold more units. Kafziel Talk 13:32, 5 January 2007 (UTC
 * The applicable guideline would probably be WP:COMMONNAME. It doesn't make much sense to cite IAR in this case, because the encyclopedia isn't really improved or degraded by having this article at one title or the other, with redirects in place. -GTBacchus(talk) 20:06, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Support, as the Mega Drive/Genesis issue gives clear precedence. - Cyrus XIII 22:26, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: the precedence is not clear. In the case of Mega Drive, it was literally known as the "Mega Drive" in Japan (no translation). This game was not known as Yoshi's Universal Gravitiation in Japan, it was known as Yoshi's no Banyū Inryoku. I think this distictuion is important.--SeizureDog 11:12, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Support, it is indeed the same as with the Mega Drive. Americocentrism on wikipedia must be destroyed.--Josquius 13:50, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Neutral : Some good points are made, but the Topsy-Turvy version of the title gets about 7,000 more hits in my Yahoo test, making it more well known. Also, as I state above, I don't consider what the Japanese title a completely valid case, as it is a translation and not literal.--SeizureDog 11:12, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * If you look on the Japanese box art, you'll find it actually does say "Yoshi's Universal Gravitation", in english. Although the Japanese name isn't a transliteration.  I don't use Yahoo, but made a Google search for the names before listing this on RM, "Yoshi's Universal Gravitation" gets more unique links, but fewer links in total than "Yoshi Topsy-Turvy.- hahnch  e  n 17:28, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Support Case made. Changed my vote. Although I do think this is another case of a Euro release with a worse name. Seriously, "universal gravitation" sounds far too technical for such a game. But I guess that's why titles are localized in the first place.--SeizureDog 01:24, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The Name
ITS YOSHI TOPSY-TURVY, NOT UNIVERSAL GRAVITATION. ONLY USE THE AMERICAN NAME.
 * lol, ethnocentrism 69.180.130.224 03:46, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

There is no rule about using American Names. The closest rule is to use English names but since Universal Gravation was used in Europe that does not apply here since it is an English name. Made up rules will not help to change it back. --67.68.155.98 23:03, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * As much as some people would like it to be, wikipedia is not entirely US-centric. You'll find that sometimes English articles use English spellings (like humour and favour) as opposed to US ones (like humor and favor). British, Canadian, Australian and even other non-English speaking countries have articles on their individual histories here, and this game is more widely known in the WORLD as Universal Gravitation. This is an argument over WORLD vs. U.S. and I think the world view takes precedence. How many countries call is Topsy Turvy? The US and Canada, so that's 2. How many call is Universal Gravitation? Every European country it was released in, Japan and Australia, so that's many more than 2. I think the 'Universal Gravitation' people have this one. --Thaddius 18:17, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Just give it the US name. People will know what it is, plus it sounds better. So what if Universal Gravitation is the Japanese and Australian name? Use the American name please. Link 486 12:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Correction: people in the US know is as the US name. Also, it's the NORTH AMERICAN NAME. The US isn't the only country in the world. Strange but true. By the measure of 'more people know it as', total the number of people in Europe, Australia and Japan and compare that to the total population of North America. I think you'll find more people in the world call it Universal Gravitation and would recognize that name. It's just a game guys, Topsy-turvy redirects here, get over it. --Thaddius 13:28, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * "Correction: people in the US know is as the US name." < That's a load of rubbish. I see it referred to as Yoshi Topsy Turvy everywhere on the internet, wheres I've never seen in referred by the other name even once. 181.95.69.20 (talk) 20:09, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

What makes you think that I think that the US is the only country? You get over YOURSELF, you party pooper! The North American name sounds better! DON'T YOU REALIZE THAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Link 486 00:58, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Since no one agrees with you and, again, there are more people out there who call it by one name rather than the other, you lose. On Wikipedia it doesn't matter what sounds better, it matters what people are going to type into the search bar. Thaddius 23:46, 11 April 2007 (UTC)]
 * Proof that there are there are more people who call it Yoshi Universal Gravitation? Also, please explain why everyone calls it Yoshi Topsy Turvy on the internet. 181.95.69.20 (talk) 20:15, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I think this may be the dumbest argument I've seen on this site so far. RoadSmasher420 (talk) 13:53, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Ok, so not everyone likes the name like touchy Link 486.How about we compromise and call it "Yoshi's Universal Gravitation (Yoshi's Topsy Turvy)"? See,I put the North American name in the Brackets.99.230.152.143 17:58, 7 October 2007 (UTC) Or even better,Yoshi's topsy turvy/Yoshi's universal gravitation 99.230.152.143 20:11, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I own the Japanese version of the game, which is called Yoshi's Universal Gravitation. If there are two regions that have the same name (Europe & Japan) angainst one (Topsy-Turvy, North America), I think it should be renamed. 1yodsyo1 15:33, 5 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1yodsyo1 (talk • contribs)

I don't understand your comment. Can you rephrase it? 99.230.152.143 (talk) 20:19, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

personally imo, it should be called topsy turvy since this is the english dub of wikipedia. Hollywoodd 23:04, 21 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kperfekt722 (talk • contribs)

I don't care about the name one way or the other, but in all fairness to the people saying "America is not the only country in the world" and "Americans need to get over themselves." Wikipedia was invented by 2 Americans. So you really wouldn't even be having this discussion if all Americans were egocentric idiots like you claim.129.139.1.68 (talk) 18:48, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


 * The most common name is the one that is supposed to be used. See: WP:Title for a clear reason to avoid further dispute. However, Wikipedia should be uniform. All pages must link to Universal Gravitation and call it as such, including the info box. This, of course, excludes external links and anything explicitly referring to the NA edition (such as: 2005 in video gaming, where it lists the North American release date specifically). And even then, it should be formatted like: Yoshi Topsy-Turvy, where it still links directly to the article and not to a redirect. I've already gone a head and done some/most of this because I was bored. I hope there isn't a mass revert, then I would have wasted my time for nothing. :P 71.207.158.68 (talk) 05:30, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Photo request
Since we've changed names, we need a new box cover. And I need to go find the marketing genius who thought "Universal Gravitation" was a good name and slap him a few times with a rolled-up newspaper. That title is almost as bad as Peter Jackson's King Kong: The Official Game of the Movie. Hbdragon88 05:11, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

you apparently don't get it. The japanese (in their language) totally thinks its all right, but it sounds weird to us Americans. You just cannot blame other people for naming games. Anyone played SMT-Devil Summoner? 1yodsyo1 15:36, 5 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1yodsyo1 (talk • contribs)

To add one more comment, The europeans also call it Yoshi's Universal Gravitation. 1yodsyo1 16:07, 14 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1yodsyo1 (talk • contribs)

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And the North American Boxart?
Please put the North American ESRB boxart of Yoshi Topsy-Turvy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2800:200:F240:1202:6886:32B6:884F:602A (talk) 16:05, 15 May 2021 (UTC)