Talk:Yoshizawa–Randlett system

Sink fold
Sinking a flap is mentioned in the napkin folding problem with a link here, but there's no good discussion here. Sinks are mentioned but there really needs to be some diagram + there's notation for indicating a sink. Dmcq (talk) 16:32, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Please move this page back to Origami Techniques

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:14, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Yoshizawa-Randlett system → origami techniques –

This page is about origami techniques. It belongs at that location. Can someone please move the contents of this page back? By the way, a great deal of text on the talk page also needs to be restored.

If someone believes that the Yoshizawa-Randlett notation for diagramming origami models deserves its own page, they should copy/extract/edit appropriate text for such a page. Such a page could also discuss the history of how that diagramming convention developed. Jasper (talk) 05:03, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

The article discusses origami techniques. It happens to have diagrams, to make it easier for readers to understand what is being discussed -- but those diagrams are secondary to explaining the techniques.

"Origami techniques" is a much more common term than "Yoshizawa-Randlett notation". "Origami techniques" is a self-explanatory phrase, uses common words, and is widely understood. A person would already have to be familiar with "origami" to even hear of Yoshizawa or Randlett, let alone realize that the "Yoshizawa-Randlett notation" is a way of diagramming origami models. Jasper (talk) 05:23, 6 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose this is a specific notational method. Further it isn't the only notation used for origami. 70.24.247.61 (talk) 10:41, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment a different article, should be built. 70.24.247.61 (talk) 10:42, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose I haven't strong feelings about the name but think the current one is slightly better. I don't think there is enough notable stuff about any other system to start a separate article about. This really is the system normally used complete with the naming of common bases. It has been extended a bit but that's still part of the same system. If someone can show otherwise then it should be renamed back rather than a separate article set up, origami techniques should always point to this article whether it is a title or a redirect. Dmcq (talk) 12:02, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

To clarify what I wrote above, I think it would be good to have two pages: "Origami techniques" (discussing the techniques, how the techniques are related, and incidentally showing common symbols for them), and "History of origami diagramming notations" (discussing the notations, and when the notations were introduced, published, and popularized). The latter name can probably be shortened.

Making the notation page be historical would fit how wikipedia handles many other topics. There are some minor problems with calling such a page "Yoshizawa-Randlett system". First, it is often called the "Randlett-Yoshizawa" notation (either due to regional bias, or a preference for alphabetizing names). Second, specific notations have been added and changed over the years. Third, was there ever a specific set of notations that both Randlett and Yoshizawa used at the same time? Jasper (talk) 15:18, 6 October 2011 (UTC)


 * There isn't all that much more to go in the history section that I know of, I can't see that you'd end up with two reasonable articles that way. There's a couple of things like Robert Harbin and the preliminary base but there is no great history hanging around waiting to be summarized and written into Wikipedia. Dmcq (talk) 15:40, 6 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I have made the renaming and I will explain why I do that. This article was too similar to a howto so I wanted this artcile to fit an encyclopedic style. So I focus the subject on the Yoshizawa-Randlett system and I have added a historical section. But I wasn't thinking "Origami techniques" could be a commonly used term. So do what you want. Ftiercel (talk) 07:29, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Combine Operations/Compound Folds/Advanced Skills - Add symbols!
First off, no origami book ever distinguishes between operations and compound folds. And, since this article is about symbols and notation (!), why aren't the standard symbols used in the compound folds figures? The "advanced skills" have been around for half a century, and today aren't considered that advanced. Again, since this article is about symbols and notation, all "skills" mentioned need a standard symbol shown.

Advanced Skills section needs heavy editing
Aside from needing to combine most of this section with the Operations/Compound Folds sections, sink is repeated from above, the stretched bird base is a base (!) and should be in the base section (which should really be its own page), the double sink is very outdated, since most advanced origami books in the last several decades would have to something like quadruple sink or higher. The standard terminology is "sink in and out". The term "pleat sinking" introduced by Jeremy Shafer in his first book often gets confused as a separate move, but it also just means to "sink in and out". Missing are open and closed wraps, spread squashes, double rabbit ears, Elias stretches. A comprehensive list of operations can be found in Robert Lang's book Origami Design Secrets, chapter 2.

Origami Bases on New Page
This article is titled Yoshizawa–Randlett system, remember?! So it's about the notational system, not introducing skills and not introducing bases, especially. Origami bases should really be on its own page, and missing is the windmill base. The stretched bird base from later should be incorporated here. Also see Robert Lang's book Origami Design Secrets chapter 4 for a good discussion on origami bases.

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