Talk:Yotsuba&!/Archive 2

Genre?
Are we sure that this belongs under seinen? Yotsubato! hardly fits under that category, considering seinen is targeted towards young adults, and Yotsubato! is about the life of a little girl.
 * At the same time, it's serialized in Dengeki Daioh, a magazine aimed squarely at that demographic, and while its plot and character designs are neither violent nor sexualized, the point has been raised that in many ways, Yotsuba&! is about nostalgia. So although it might not feature what are typically considered the hallmarks of "traditional" seinen manga, it seems nevertheless to fit the bill. (Also, try and keep separate the notions of "demographic" and "genre." Just because it doesn't fit the same genre as certain other manga doesn't mean it isn't targeted at the same demographic.) --Julian Grybowski 20:48, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Nostalgia isn't a boy only thing, therefore stating that it being about nostalgia as proof of being seinen is flawed. Although I start to question how much we truly know about seinen, seeing as how most seinen-called titles don't seem to be gender specific, despite the defintion stating it is for boys. Slice of life is no more for boys than it is for girls. --AjaaniSherisu 11:56, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Proof of it being seinen is the fact that it's published in a seinen magazine. Nothing else is required; any other arguments serve not as proof, but as explanatory aids for people who get "culture shock" when they discover the reality of seinen. 87.12.220.88 22:34, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Which is why I like how the manga infoboxes now separate demographic (seinen, shoujo) from genre (romance, science fiction). —Quasirandom 22:47, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I thought it was odd that IGN called Yotsuba&! the greatest Shojo Manga of all time. So uh, should we really stick to calling it seinen?--SeizureDog 05:17, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Even though ADV markets it as All Ages. It would help if the demographic of Dengeki Daioh could be firmly established as seinen. (I'd source it myself if I could.) Especially since the demographic of Dengeki Daioh has been sourced while I wasn't looking. —Quasirandom 15:14, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Trivia Concerns
The cameos in the triva section at the moment are unverified and tenuous at best. I'm not confident enough about how wikipedia works to just yank them, but something needs to be done. As Julian pointed out with the comments, the 'Elder Gaijin' need clarification, I dont recognise any of the four people that see Fuuka and Yotsuba with the flowers. And the 'Guy with short hair and glasses that might be Azuma' is so vague and disconnnected that I don't even think that it's the same person in both appearences let alone supposed to represent someone special. If you can verify or source something that'd be great. Omnisentry 02:39, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I removed "Elder Gaijin", "Guy with short hair and glasses", and "Yotsuba wears shirts". "Yotsuba wears plain shirts with colored sleeves" isn't trivia, and we never heard back on the other two guys, the Elder Gaijin which may not exist, and the guy with short hair and glasses who has nothing special about him that would rate a mention. Omnisentry 07:12, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I've also removed the desk collapsing incident as, well, too trivial and too tenuous a connection. &mdash;Quasirandom 16:24, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Would including the fact that Yotsuba is also used on the 404 Error Pages of 4chan be of any use? Centrisian (talk) 06:12, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It's already mentioned in Yotsuba's article. I'm not sure it would add anything to mention it here, not unless we gather enough other examples of the influence of / pop-culture references to the series as a whole that it doesn't look like a single trivium. —Quasirandom (talk) 17:39, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Regarding Quasirandom's point, Yotsuba appears not only on the 404 pages, but throughout 4chan and is one of the more recognizable mascots of that website. I find this appropriate to mention in the article. 220.62.244.55 (talk) 16:49, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Koiwai's Character
Can anyone cite evidence for the statement that Yotsuba's father is "somewhat cowardly"? As a character trait, it's not mentioned by other characters, especially compared to comments/reactions to his often lax parenting style. -Quasirandom 00:16, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Unless someone objects, I'll remove the claim. -Quasirandom 19:47, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I concur! Mindman1 00:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Theme of series
I'd like to add a comment to the story summary to the effect that the overall theme is "Enjoy everthing," but despite seeing it frequently, I don't have a citeable source for that claim. Does anyone know of any? -Quasirandom 17:05, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It pops up frequently (in English) along with the logo, on filler pages of the tankobon volumes and in advertisements. The motto "Itsu de mo kyō wa, ichiban tanoshii hi" ("Today is always the most enjoyable day") also appears in publicity materials (such as on the obi of new volumes). Neither of these is directly mentioned in the story proper, but it's clear that the manga reflects these themes. --Julian Grybowski 18:38, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I just confirmed that motto also appears on the title pages of chapters in the original magazine publication. I think we can work with that as a better statement of theme, actually.  Thanks. -Quasirandom 15:25, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I've incorporated the motto not as the theme, because it isn't really a theme, but as a summary of the series tone. -Quasirandom 20:16, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Disambiguation Page
Of course, the disambiguation page should have been done if there's more than one subject called the same. But the website, whose name is actually due to the manga, should be a secondary link, don't you think?

I don't know how to fix this, though.--Quinceps 19:54, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You mean, how switch the order of the two Yotsuba links? That's a simple edit to the disambiguation page. -Quasirandom 21:30, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Getting to Good
Asking as a newbie, what needs to be done to make this a good article? One obvious task is regularize the citations (moving chapter cites to references, ditto the direct external links), but I'm not entirely clear on how to do this. Also, clean up the External Links section and possibly add something more substantial, like the official web site. For the unsourced claims, either find citations or delete them. Delete the unhelpful subpages on Ena and Miura. And, of course, more prosework (tenses waffle all over the place, for one). What else? &mdash;Quasirandom 22:14, 14 May 2007 (UTC) Another item: thumbnail images of characters. &mdash;Quasirandom 20:22, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Regarding the thumbnail portraits, my inclination is to stop with the main seven characters, on the grounds that the others are minor enough to not warrent it -- or at least more minor. Arguments, though, can be made for Mrs. Ayase and Torako, and for completism. What do people think? —Quasirandom 19:05, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

And that's most of that -- aside from some of the citationwork, that is. What's next? Either way, I'm considering requesting a peer review to help reach GA. Maybe later this month. &mdash;Quasirandom 16:27, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Proposal to merge Ena Ayase and Miura Hayasaka into here
The result was merge both pages into Yotsuba&!. &mdash;Quasirandom 16:21, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

The separate article on Ena adds little or no additional substative information and, frankly, I don't see what more can be said about her without getting into the pointlessly trivial. I propose taking what little Ena Ayase has and merging it into here, and replacing the page with a redirect. &mdash;Quasirandom 16:47, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Same proposal for Miura Hayasaka, for the same reasons. &mdash;Quasirandom 19:55, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a great idea. The articles don't have anything currently that warrant them being separate, and I doubt they will in the near future. - Omnisentry 07:44, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether this counts as the 5-day-consensus or the 10-day-silence, but either way, I'm calling this agreement. I'll start merging today, and close/archive this discussion. &mdash;Quasirandom 16:07, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Jumbo's height
Does anyone have a source for that 210 cm figure? I've yet to find statement that I can't trace back to this article. It's not given in the series itself. Is is somewhere in the background material on one of the official Japanese web sites? —Quasirandom 19:01, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's anything official. There is a height chart that has done the rounds which shows the Yotsuba characters (and another with Azumanga Daioh characters), but I'm not sure if it's Azumas work, or just fan-compiled using relative heights & known-height objects to measure against. This chart shows Jumbo at 210. -Omnisentry 12:07, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm. That gives me something to look for. Thanks. —Quasirandom 14:39, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

The [http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ノート:よつばと! talk page] for よつばと! in the Japanese wikipedia has a list of character heights, including Jumbo's. Can anyone read whether it gives sources for the figures? —Quasirandom 19:25, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Volume four released.
Well, I guess ADV couldn't wait, volume 4 hit the streets this past week (my local shop got it on Wednesday the 20th). Funny though, Amazon still lists it as a pre-order, guess they're still sitting on it. Anyway, I changed the article slightly to reflect vol. 4's release. Lando242 00:34, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. (Time to hustle down to Borders yay). —Quasirandom 19:42, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I just found Yotsuba 4 rather unexpectedly today at our local FYE. Is it known publicly why there was a year-plus gap in release dates between the 3rd and 4th English-language volumes? I checked the wiki hoping the information might be up here. 68.33.43.155 22:58, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * ADV put all but a couple titles on hiatus and only just started releasing some of them of again -- but because they weren't on officially announced hiatus and no one from ADV would confirm or deny anything, we never got a citeable statement as to what was going on. With 4 finally out and 5 coming next month, we deleted the unsourceable during a peer review of the article because as old news, it wasn't worth tracking more down. —Quasirandom 23:10, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I see, thanks for the information. And thanks for your work on making and keeping this a good article. 68.33.43.155 11:58, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Miura's manner of speaking
She is boyish and brusque, both in her appearance and her way of speaking (this is very noticeable in the Japanese version) The peer reviewer cited that last statement as something requiring examples by way of demonstration. Because I don't speak Japanese myself, I've tagged it as needing a citation -- but that's because I can't find a template for "need a corraborative example." Can anyone find a good one and add it? —Quasirandom 21:29, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Malkinann: Good suggestion. If we can't get a good example, that may paper over the weakness, at least for now. —Quasirandom 15:17, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Proposal to merge Fuka Ayase into here
The result was merge Fuka Ayase into Yotsuba&!. —Quasirandom 17:50, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

By my count, the article on Fuka has three significant pieces of information not included in the character summary on this page, and one's of dubious significance. This says to me she doesn't warrant a page on her own, and those pieces should be included here. What say you? —Quasirandom 19:51, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I've copied over what I see as the significant, verifiable info. If there's no objection, I'll finish the merge (replace with redirect) in the next day or so. —Quasirandom 19:58, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

GA review comments
Hello, these are my review comments:
 * Move citations to comply with WP:CITE
 * I'm afraid I'm missing something. After reading through that, I don't see which part isn't being comply with. Could you be more specific? —Quasirandom 14:31, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Predominantly down to their positioning, so usually after punctuation if possible. The Rambling Man 19:09, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay. The only references that aren't after punctuation are the two giving evidence for Yotsuba's age; these were put there because otherwise they keep getting "corrected" to the wrong age. I'd rather leave them there as "facts [that] must be referenced mid-sentence" (to quote WP:CITE), but if you prefer, I'll move them to the ends of their respective sentences. —Quasirandom 01:57, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Not essential for GA, I understand your concerns so leave them. The Rambling Man 10:00, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Resolve the merge issue.
 * Oops. I hadn't resolved that because #5 in WP:GACR said that merge proposals didn't apply to the stability criterion. I'll hurry it up, though.—Quasirandom 14:31, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed, the merge isn't listed against the stability criteria but the list isn't exhaustive. I see that you're getting on with dealing with it though which I think is great.  The Rambling Man 10:00, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

On the whole, a decent article, I'll put the GA on hold to give time for the above to be sorted out. The Rambling Man 11:28, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * None of the Ayase household descriptions have any references.
 * "...would gross out..." I know what is meant here, but it's not particularly encyclopaedic language!
 * "With a height of 210 centimeters ..." sounds awkward, perhaps something along the lines of "Standing 210 centimeters tall..."
 * Values and units should be separated by the non-breaking space, see WP:UNITS for more.
 * No references for any of the Friends.
 * Resolve the [citation needed] tag.
 * Thanks. I'll address them over the next couple days. —Quasirandom 14:31, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * There -- I think that addresses everything. If I missed something, let me know. —Quasirandom 17:59, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * WP:UNITS still needs some work, and I'm slightly worried about the lack of additional secondary sources for verifiability of all citations. Apart from the calendar bits and pieces, you're using "Yotsuba&!" itself as a reliable source.  Verifiable evidence generally needs to comply with WP:RS which tends towards a 'secondary' source.  Anything you could do to improve this?  The Rambling Man 18:03, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Units done, I can see! The Rambling Man 18:27, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yup -- I missed the conversion part. For the citations:
 * I was following WP:WAF that primary information, including plot and character summaries, have the primary source as the reference.
 * The only reviews of Yotsuba&! in print journals that I have been able to find all have minimal summaries of the plot and characters, with no detail. The only summaries with extensive detail I can find are all in personal blogs and message boards, which are not reliable sources.
 * If you have any suggestions of where to go with this, I'll be happy to try them. —Quasirandom 18:39, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, fair enough. I understand.  Let me have another look and I'll see where to go from here.  Good work so far, I'm impressed.  The Rambling Man 18:45, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Done deal, you're right, thanks for educating me further in the ways of a good in-universe article! GA it is.  The Rambling Man 19:48, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yay! Thankee. —Quasirandom 19:56, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Anime? No anime?
The following text about a possible anime version of Yotsuba&! was added by an anonymous user, without a source for Azuma's supposed statement. Because we can't use it without verification, I've deleted it from the article and saving it here until someone can track down a source.


 * Despite the success of Azumanga Daioh, no plans have yet been announced for a Yotsuba&! anime. When asked, Azuma said he did not want the series animated.

Please, someone track down a source! This is big news -- bigger than that tsukutsukuboshi are cicadas. —Quasirandom 14:37, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I vaguely remember reading something about it on Azuma-san's site, but my Japanese is so shaky it takes forever to read just one blog entry. Someone with better japanese might find the reference there. HertzaHaeon 14:42, 27 July 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, time to help you out. I checked, and yes, found it on his site, May 15th, 2005 here http://azumakiyohiko.com/archives/c_15.php ; he says he doesn't intend to make an anime currently, and I think it hasn't been changed since then. I think I also read somewhere that he is really into the series and will not allow anyone to make an anime-adoption so easily, but I don't remember where, and actually it's not that important statement anyway. Darksider 15:27, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Coolness. Thank you! —Quasirandom 18:33, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Reception
Not so much discussion as, as part of putting together material for a Reception section, a collection of links -- put here so as not to lose them: More to come. Feel free to contribute, especially if you find reviews in print journals. —Quasirandom 21:12, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Has sold well in Japan (for example, volume 6 of Yotsuba&! 3rd best-selling comic in Japan for the first half of 2007: Manganews.net) as well as critical aclaim (move the Japan Media Arts Festival award here)
 * The first four volumes of the English translation were each among the top 100 selling graphic novels in the U.S. in the month of release: vol 1, vol 2, vol 3, vol 4
 * Series was listed by Publisher's Weekly as one of the best 20 comics of 2005: Publisher's Weekly
 * Noted for clean art, especially the detailed backgrounds and expressive faces : Read About Comics, Ain't It Cool News
 * Need cite for reviewer's response to the tone of the series.

Info about Hiwatari
I've removed Hiwatari from the article because, until she actually becomes a recurring character, I don't think she counts as a "Major character", as the section is named. Against that hoped-for day, here's the text, saved out:
 * Hiwatari / "Shimauu"
 * A friend of Fuka's, given name unknown, who attends the same high school. She first appears in chapter 40, when Yotsuba visits Fuka's school, though she isn't named until chapter 45. Hiwatari is similar to Fuka in terms of her eccentric personality. She is normally called by her nickname "Shimauu" (or "Miss Stake" in a common English fan translation) due to a "mistake" she made when she first introduced herself to her school—in Japanese, "shimau" used as an auxiliary verb means to do something by accident, whence the pun.

This has been bothering me since she was added, but I've only just convinced myself to make the change. —Quasirandom 19:55, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Annnnd with her reappearence in chapter 51, Miss Stake is now recurring and back in the article. —Quasirandom (talk) 04:05, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Series development
Per WP:MOS-MANGA, as part of making this an encyclopedic treatment of Yotusba&! we need a rather poorly defined "Production" section, which in the context of a manga I take to mean something about the development of the series. Things such as, "the origins or inspirations of the subject" and "homages to other works or artists," to quote the style guidelines. I've started a section with the only information I have, about the "Try! Try! Try!" and its first drafts of the core cast -- Which is rather stubby. Is anyone who reads Japanese up for going through Azuma's website for his comments on origins/inspirations/homages of Yotsuba and Yotsuba&!? —Quasirandom 19:59, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd love to help, but it would take me weeks to go through it all with my poor japanese. Good idea though. It shouldn't be too hard to come up with a few facts. HertzaHaeon 00:23, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Yotsuba's energy
I'm trying to track down a panel in Yotsuba&! (for a citation in Yotsuba Koiwai) and having trouble finding it. I'm remembering a moment where one of the Ayase daughters, I think Fuka, says of Yotsuba as she bounds up, "As energetic as usual." (This is separate from Asagi's first comment about her energy in chapter 3.) Does anyone know where this is? —Quasirandom 17:09, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * BTW, I eventually found it in & Frog chapter. —Quasirandom (talk) 19:58, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Figurines
I'm not putting this in the article just now, because it doesn't seem to be notable yet, but the first Yotsuba figurine is available, with Fuka and Danbō to come in the next couple months. For if/when it does become important, here's a link with info -- though there's always checking Amazon.co.jp, I suppose. Though it does occur to me that if Danbō is popular enough to get a figurine, it's notable enough to be mentioned. —Quasirandom 00:11, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The figurines are pretty much not notable unless some kind of contoversy comes out of it.--SeizureDog 03:58, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Right. (Rereading, I see I was unclear: I meant that if Danbō is popular enough to get a figurine, then Danbō probably ought to be mentioned, probably with Miura or Ena's blurb.) —Quasirandom 15:09, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Which I've done. —Quasirandom (talk) 17:37, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Information about Carbo/Danbō
I've removed Carbo/Danbō from the article, because it is not (yet) a recurring character (if a costume can even be said to be a character) and so not yet a "Major character," similar to Hiwatari/Shimau above. Against the day Miura ever wears the big guy again, I'm saving the text here for restoration:


 * Cardbo (ダンボ)
 * A project that Ena and Miura work on for school. It is a very well made suit made out of cardboard boxes that Miura wears. When Yotsuba walks in to Ena's room to find Carbo, she is surprised, and Ena and Miura play around with her, making her think that Carbo is a super-robot; the act ends with Miura earning ¥200 off of Ena.

I note, btw, that with Hiwatari's reappearence in chapter 51, she is now a reaccuring character, if anyone wants to restore her to the list of friends. —Quasirandom (talk) 17:30, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Also, per the previous section, I've added a mention of Carbo to Ena's character description. —Quasirandom (talk) 17:36, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Character pictures
I freely admit that the character thumbnails I added are of dubious quality, graphic-wize -- and it looks like my scanner's permanantly 404, so I can't replace them with better scans any time soon. So if anyone's looking for an easy way to improve the article, feel free to replace them. They don't have to be the same panel -- and for Ena, one where her hair isn't in braids would be better anyway -- though I personally think Yotsuba's should stay the same (in fact, I'd probably revert any change to another, unless it was really good). (When uploading, keep in mind that current guidelines for fair-use images holds that they should be no more than 300px in at least one dimension.) —Quasirandom (speak) 22:07, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Ena's age
Hmm -- the Japanese wikipedia article claims she's specifically in 4th grade. Which was about what I was pegging her as, but I've seen nothing in the series I can identify as sourcing that. Does anyone know of extra-textual material that gives this? —Quasirandom (talk) 21:23, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Tezuka Cultural Award?
Here's one to watch: Yotsuba&! is one of the finalists for 12th Osamu Tezuka Culture Award. 'Course it's up against Kaijuu no Kodomo and Nana, but still. —Quasirandom (talk) 23:34, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Too many non-free images
I was kinda afraid this was going to happen -- the article was tagged for too many non-free images. As an interim measure, I've commented out all but one of the ones I uploaded, leaving Yotsuba-plus-clover, as that's an iconic appearence that does get commented on in the article. This leaves that, the cover, and Fuka and Yotsuba going flower shopping, which is also (though slightly indirectly at the moment) commented on in the article. If this makes things too bare looking, well, that's the direction Wikipedia is taking.

Personally, I think it'd be good to have at least one picture of the Ayase sisters, preferably in a group shot, and one of someone reacting to Jumbo's height. Feel free, anyone, to add those in, or something else that you think would work better. But do keep in mind the tightly interpretted criteria in WP:NFCC. —Quasirandom (talk) 14:42, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Here's an attempt at a group shot of the Ayase family. I hope that's conservative enough. Bikasuishin (talk) 18:53, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Oo -- good group. If the caption could somehow relate that to everyone's teasing Fuka (and still be brief enough for a caption) that'd be even better, as I understand the guidelines. Lemme think about how to word it this afternoon. —Quasirandom (talk) 19:03, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, figured out how to make it contextually relevant. How's that? —Quasirandom (talk) 02:54, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Yotsuba&! nominated for Eisner Award
It looks like Yotsuba&! has been nominated in the 'Best Publication for Kids'category in the 2008 Eisner Awards.

http://www.comic-con.org/cci/cci_eisners_main.shtml#nominees

Pretty cool if you ask me, Yotsuba&! looks to kick ass :D might be a good idea to pop that into the Reception section of the article. Here is the list of nominations for the kids category:


 * Amelia Rules! and Amelia Rules! Funny Stories, by Jimmy Gownley (Renaissance)


 * Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures, edited by Jeremy Barlow (Dark Horse)
 * Mouse Guard: Fall 1152 andMouse Guard: Winter 1152, by David Petersen (Archaia)


 * The Wall: Growing Up Behind the Iron Curtain, by Peter Sis (Frank Foster Books/Farrar, Straus & Giroux)


 * Yotsuba&!, by Kiyohiko Azuma (ADV)

Hiro13648 (talk) 10:38, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Sweet. Yeah, that look inclusion-worthy -- possibly along with the Osamu Tezuka Culture Award finalist. I'll see what I can swot up tonight if no one gets to it first. —Quasirandom (talk) 14:23, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I put up a new Awards and recognition section with this info. Mixing the awards in with the reception and reviews doesn't seem like a good idea. HertzaHaeon (talk) 17:01, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

info!
yotsuba is an orphan.


 * True enough. It even already says so in the article. Your point? —Quasirandom (talk) 14:19, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Merge
The character article is too similar to the anime article. It should just be merged into this one to improve the article. --Kraftlos (talk) 21:45, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I disagree with the merge. The article Yotsuba Koiwai demonstrates that the character has both independent notability enough to pass WP:N or WP:FICT (depending on which you prefer to apply) and enough independent existance as an minor internet meme, to warrant a separate article.
 * That said, what improvements were you thinking of? —Quasirandom (talk) 00:17, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm going to take back the merge prop, I don't think this article would be improved by adding in the charcter article's content, and I think the character article's content should stay. --Kraftlos (talk) 04:29, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Thai publisher?
The Thai.wiki article lists a publisher that I cannot read, and google isn't helping find the English (or at least transliterated) name. Can anyone assist here? It should go in the infobox and the string of licensors in the Manga section. —Quasirandom (talk) 16:48, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The publisher is NED Comics, and here's the their web page for volume 1. —Quasirandom (talk) 16:06, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Which brings up the point that we need to list out and source all those licensors, if not in this article then in the List of Yotsuba&! chapters. —Quasirandom (talk) 16:06, 11 February 2009 (UTC)