Talk:YouTube/Archive 22

Uploading / Interlacing
Going over bullet points in WP:NOTHOWTO, and checking my latest edit, which added two sentences and one image: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=YouTube&oldid=763252314 Therefore, please keep my edit. Mikus (talk) 04:50, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Instruction manuals - my edit is not an instruction manual
 * Travel guides - nope
 * Video game guides - nope
 * Internet guides - nope
 * FAQs - "format the information provided as neutral prose" - that is what I did
 * Textbooks and annotated texts - "It is not appropriate to create or edit articles that read as textbooks, with leading questions and systematic problem solutions as examples." - no leading questions, just some stats related to the topic discussed.
 * Scientific journals and research papers - "A Wikipedia article should not be presented on the assumption that the reader is well-versed in the topic's field.' - everyone who owns a modern TV knows what 720p and 1080i is. But for those who are not well versed in this, the second sentence clarifies: it seems that networks upload their TV shows, which is an interesting talking point in itself. This small statistics shows that networks start treating YouTube as another distribution channel. But this is OR, so I am not mentioning this. One who can add 2 + 2 can figure this out himself.
 * Academic language - none used.
 * Case studies - it is not a study of one case out of a zillion, it is a piece of info about a particular YouTube feature.
 * There is no way that the image is necessary to illustrate the article YouTube, because this is covered adequately at Deinterlacing and Interlaced_video. There is also an attempt to single out YouTube when virtually all web video is progressive and interlaced video is becoming rare. Even the image taken from this YouTube blog says that only about 2-3% of videos uploaded to YouTube are interlaced. As I've said before, if this was as notable as you claim, it would be possible to find more sourcing than a passing mention in a tech blog or a YouTube support page. It still has problems with WP:DUE and WP:NOTHOWTO. I really can't see the persistent fascination with adding this.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 06:16, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
 * You are blaming me for singling out YouTube? I am providing their own statistics, nothing more. What "more sourcing" are you talking about? I am providing the stats from the horse's mouth. What problems with WP:NOTHOWTO does it have? I itemized all the bullet points, but you are reverting my changes without due explanation. You are saying "There is no way that the image is necessary to illustrate the article YouTube, because this is covered adequately at Deinterlacing and Interlaced_video#Interlacing_problems" - HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE IMAGE? It is a bar chart, not a screenshot. It does not cover deinterlacing, it illustrates YouTube upload stats, which, as I mentioned, besides pure technical information provides additional data about big networks publishing their made-for-TV content on YouTube, this is notable if you ask me. It is I who cannot see your persistent fascination with removing references to interlace. You are not trying to collaborate the way Wikipedia editors are supposed to do. As a seasoned editor you should know that you are supposed to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement. This is not the first time you behave this way. Wikipedia policy on on edit warring states that edit warring is disruptive, and that one should not edit war even if one believes one is right. Ok, I can drop the image, keep two sentences I've added. They may be not important for you, but important and notable for others. Mikus (talk) 06:52, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
 * The image is fair use and conveys no information that cannot be given in text or a link. It is not the job of the article to instruct people on how to upload videos to YouTube.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 07:09, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Neither the bar chart nor the two added sentences added by me instruct people how to upload videos. The chart shows dynamics, which is hard to convey in words. This is the point of a chart, isn't it? Anyway, I am glad you agreed with my recent edit. Mikus (talk) 17:24, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Who owns Youtube, shitty answer
Google isn't a person. When I ask, "who owns youtube" the answer isn't Google. Sure, I can google it, HA, but why isn't the answer here? Here's a hint; the answer isn't Google because I asked WHO owns Youtube, not WHAT. The answer is Larry Page and Sergey Brin.
 * Actually Google does own Youtube. Google is owned by Alphabet Inc. and Google owns YouTube. Larry Page and Sergey Brin are the founders but not the owners. - GB fan 21:29, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
 * YouTube is a limited liability company so the ownership isn't as simple as the question of who owns a house or car. YouTube is a subsidiary of Google, and Google is now a subsidiary of Alphabet Inc..-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 05:45, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 March 2017
Can you change these source links back from:

https://online.wsj.com/article/SB118161295626932114.html https://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704462704575590420251199614.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

To:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118161295626932114.html http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704462704575590420251199614.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

please? They redirect to the "Sign up/subscribe" page. 82.212.78.141 (talk) 02:08, 16 March 2017 (UTC)


 * ✅ The change involved turning HTTPS into HTTP, otherwise the page isn't shown. I'm not sure if User:Bender the Bot will be pleased about this, as it is likely to convert it back again automatically.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 13:13, 16 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I'll double-check. --bender235 (talk) 16:31, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Adresses of President Obama
Hey, just wanted to note, that it might be more accurate to say "former President Obama". Or "then President Obama". You know its just because theres a new one.

X-Pachner (talk) 23:53, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The sentence is talking about addresses that he made during his time in office, not addresses he had made since leaving office. So they are addresses by President Obama not former President Obama. Then isn't needed either because like you said there is a new president now and so this must be talking about when Obama was president. ~ GB fan 00:31, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

2017 April Fool
Re this edit: The "Google Gnome" joke was on the Google Store, and although it had a YouTube video, it was seen by news media as Google's 2017 April Fool rather than YouTube's. Maybe that's a bit pedantic, but YouTube doesn't seem to have had its own April Fool this year.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 05:56, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi I agree with you and don't think this YouTube page is the appropriate article for that April Fool's Day joke. LocalNet (talk) 06:11, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I was a bit 50/50 about saying that the Google Gnome was YouTube's 2017 April Fool, but it did have a YouTube video. Since Google owns YouTube I haven't removed it. Other comments are welcome.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 06:14, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * In my mind, the joke is still fully a Google joke. It was uploaded to YouTube because that's what they have as a video service (I wouldn't expect them to upload to Vimeo, for example), but I don't remember seeing any references to YouTube in the video and I haven't seen it interpreted that way by the media. But I don't have a *problem* with it staying either, just think it's out of place. :) LocalNet (talk) 06:20, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Google Gnome is a spoof of Google Home, not Google Chrome. Red665 (talk) 09:12, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi I believe that is correct, I will change the text :) LocalNet (talk) 09:13, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thank you for bringing attention to it :) LocalNet (talk) 09:17, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 April 2017
Um, is it okay to edit some of the words, I've noticed some wrong info so I would like to correct it. 114.77.220.188 (talk) 09:14, 27 April 2017 (UTC)


 * ❌ Please use the format of "please change X to Y". Jim1138 (talk) 09:18, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Consensus on YouTube Play Button Merge
This tag has been hanging around on YouTube Play Button for a long time:   We should see if a merge is needed, and if a merge is still relevant. Please leave your thoughts. Jamesjpk (talk) 23:14, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete would probably be the best option. It isn't all that notable and the article here could live without it. It has clear issues with WP:DUE.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 06:00, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm also in favor of deleting the article as it doesn't appear notable enough for either its own article or a section on this one. Hammill Ten (talk) 22:03, 20 April 2017 (UTC)


 * I think it could be good since it might be only a few lines longer than a stub. Merging it would make it a category, not a stub. I'm in favor of a merger. Deleting it is unnecessary. StellaRover27 (talk) 17:40, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 May 2017
Aidenb876 (talk) 16:44, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * ❌ Please use the format of "please change X to Y".-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 16:55, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Demonetization
There should be more about the demonetization happening. Benjamin (talk) 20:59, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * During 2017 YouTube has become worried about allowing adverts to appear next to any video that might be controversial. It has seen a string of big American and European advertisers pull their adverts after they were unhappy. This is mentioned in the article, and could be expanded with material from reliable sources.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 05:19, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Perhaps some input from the YouTubers themselves would be appropriate? Benjamin (talk) 05:25, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I had a look for some sourcing. This one isn't reliable and shows Godwin's law in action. There is also this on Breitbart which isn't ideal either. YouTube said in a blog post that it is "Strengthening YouTube for advertisers and creators" but not everyone is pleased.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 06:16, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Other prominent YouTubers, such as CGP Grey and Vlogbrothers have made videos about it. Benjamin (talk) 00:43, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Coordinate error
The following coordinate fixes are needed for

—76.172.62.228 (talk) 09:45, 7 May 2017 (UTC)


 * The coordinates are OK, here is the Google Street View.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 10:20, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Ownership vs. Corporate Parent
Ownership is by Google. Check out https://www.google.com/search?q=who+owns+youtube and http://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/parentcompany.asp. Isn't Owner = Parent? I recommend deleting the Ownership attribute from the infobox since "Parent" implies ownership. Alphabet owns Google and Google owns YouTube. asherkobin (talk) 00:15, 25 Jun 2017 (UTC)


 * Life was a lot simpler in the days before Alphabet Inc.. This has created a tiered structure of ownership, with Alphabet owning Google and Google owning YouTube. The infobox does not allow for this type of situation, so it may be best to remove it from the infobox.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 04:57, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 July 2017
Add "Youtube Playbuttons" wiki page to this Ipadmasterman (talk) 00:56, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * See the merge proposal above. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) 01:30, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Moved from YouTube
When a user uploads a video, they may choose the video privacy settings. If a video is "public", everyone is able to see it and share it. If it's "unlisted", viewers need the video URL to be able to see it. If the video is "private", the uploader can choose which users may see the video. Users can add up to five "cards" to videos. They are popups advertising another video, channel or a website, or a poll. Users can add links to other videos and channels from "end screens" at the last 20 seconds of their videos. Users can add "enhancements" to their videos, including light and color fixes, stabilizing shaking camera motions, slow motion, time lapse, blurring, rotating and trimming parts of the videos. Users can choose to add a watermark across all of their videos. They can also feature a video or playlist across all videos in a "What to Watch Next" module in the bottom left corner.

Users are able to create lists of videos, called "playlists". When a viewer finishes watching a video in a playlist, the next video plays automatically. They have the same privacy options as videos, public, unlisted, and private. Users can reorder the videos in a playlist, add or remove videos, and give the playlist a title and description. If a playlist is marked as an "official series", suggested videos will include more videos from the playlist. Users can choose to automatically add videos to a playlist using tags and matching words contained in the title and description. Users can click a clock icon while hovering over a thumbnail to add a video to a "Watch Later" playlist.

Users can send and receive private messages.

Many features have been removed from YouTube due to lack of usage or not working on mobile devices. Prior to 2013, users could reply to videos with their own videos. Before May 2, users could add unlimited "annotations" to videos, in the shape of speech bubbles and several others, linking to other videos at specific timestamps etc. On September 20, YouTube will remove a free video editor which allows users to edit several videos into a video of length up to one hour.

Community
On September 13, 2016, YouTube launched a public beta of Community, a social media-based feature that allows users to post text, images (including GIFs), live videos and others in a separate "Community" tab on their channel. Prior to the release, several creators had been consulted to suggest tools Community could incorporate that they would find useful; these YouTubers included Vlogbrothers, AsapScience, Lilly Singh, The Game Theorists, Karmin, The Key of Awesome, The Kloons, Peter Hollens, Rosianna Halse Rojas, Sam Tsui, Threadbanger and Vsauce3.


 * I think that this runs into problems with WP:NOTMANUAL, WP:TOPIC and WP:SIZERULE for this article. It is something of a laundry list of features. It isn't the job of the article to mirror Google's support website, which a lot of this is doing.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 10:52, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 30 September 2017
Link 388 is dead; so can replace it with the live link - http://www.mp3itnow.com/turkmenistan-youtube-livejournal-blocked/ Michaelsk23 (talk) 04:55, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Sparkling Pessimist   Scream at me!  05:36, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 September 2017
The description below the YouTube logo should be: YouTube logo from 2015 until 2017 instead of YouTube logo from 2005 until 2017 Thomas995 (talk) 15:13, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 15:52, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 September 2017
The description below the YouTube logo should be: YouTube logo from 2015 until 2017 instead of YouTube logo from 2005 until 2017 Thomas995 (talk) 15:14, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. this source seems to confirm that the logo did not change from 2005-2015. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 15:53, 30 September 2017 (UTC)


 * I agree that this particular caption is misleading. The YouTube logo was not exactly the same from its launch in 2005 to 2017 and underwent changes during this period. The August 2017 change was a major shift which picked up a lot of media coverage, but the previous changes were more subtle. This source isn't ideal, but it shows what Thomas995 is trying to say. See also this page on Commons, which gets it right. -- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 16:08, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Censorship
No word about the newly implement shadowban type of censorship introduced in August 2017? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.252.24.171 (talk • contribs) 14:42, 2 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Various social media sites have been accused of stealth banning, but I'm not sure what you are referring to here in the context of YouTube. Please provide a reliable source which mentions this.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 15:58, 2 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Found this in The Sun but it's not an ideal source. It isn't all over the news at the moment, so it would have problems with WP:DUE to add it to the article. This looks like YouTube being worried again about any video that is deemed to be controversial. The row over adverts earlier this year picked up a lot of media coverage, but this hasn't so far. The new system is known as Limited features for certain videos and it was announced in June 2017.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 16:14, 2 September 2017 (UTC)


 * I mentioned that at Censorship of YouTube. (Now) it does have news coverage, but not too much. Wumbolo (talk) 13:43, 16 September 2017 (UTC)


 * It seems YouTube are smart enough to not explicitly ban videos for the most part, but there is a lot of suspicious activities on the site. Except for the above mentioned strategy, we also have targeted demonetization, purposely vague rules and promoting left wing news outlets. It will be incredibly difficult to prove that they censor, because they do it smoothly, but we have all reason to suspect they do. demonetization 1 demonetization 2 and outlets 1. They are also actively censoring conservatives. 1 2--Immunmotbluescreen (talk) 22:20, 11 October 2017 (UTC)


 * YouTube did say they would explicitly ban religious content. Wumbolo (talk) 18:45, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 October 2017
46.40.237.210 (talk) 07:22, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Wumbolo (talk) 07:44, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Moved from YouTube
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Wumbolo (talk) 13:37, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Why is this not in the main article? This information is the main reason why I read the Wikipedia article on Youtube. 80.108.8.19 (talk) 00:26, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, put it back. 185.40.60.73 (talk) 11:53, 2 November 2017 (UTC)


 * It is unsourced and it makes up a massive part of the prose.  Ꞷ  umbolo   14:47, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

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Autoplay
Does autoplay affect the view count? Mobile mundo (talk) 18:45, 24 November 2017 (UTC)


 * There is a good and detailed answer here. People often asked why YouTube view counts once got stuck at 301+ views, and it was done to prevent inflated view counts from bots reloading the video. In August 2015, YouTube changed the system so that 301+ should no longer appear. This isn't really within article scope here, but it shows that YouTube tries hard to prevent people from faking view counts by reloading the video.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 18:56, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

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What happened to the bitrate section?
This was the most useful info as wiki is supposed to be a neutral reference. I'm guessing the HD bitrate has been reduced, as suspected. 89.243.133.105 (talk) 13:38, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
 * It was removed in this edit on 16 September 2017.

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[2] Approximate values based on statistical data; actual bitrate can be higher or lower due to variable encoding rate.

I'm quite tempted to put it back again, what do others think?-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 14:01, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Very out dated almost ten years old.....historical rates at this point.--Moxy (talk) 14:08, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I removed it per a three-month-old consensus on GAR. It is still unsourced.  Ꞷ  umbolo   15:05, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

TheVerge article
Editors with an interest in YouTube in general will find the following article has useful and timely content (link).
 * Citation provided as a courtesy:


 * RCraig09 (talk) 03:20, 26 December 2017 (UTC)


 * I saw this article in The Verge but it is largely a commentary on things that are already mentioned in the Wikipedia article. In 2017, YouTube became worried about allowing adverts to appear next to any video that might be controversial and cause advertisers to pull their advertising, and changed the rules to prevent this. There was also the Elsagate affair. Whether 2017 was YouTube's best or worst year is debatable, but there has been a good deal of coverage of YouTube in the media this year.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 08:11, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 January 2018
Parent company for Youtube is Alphabet not google Shyamkri (talk) 19:15, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: YouTube is still a subsidiary of Google, which is in turn a subsidiary of Alphabet. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:34, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2018
Under Content Accessibility it should be edited to reflect that the current President of the United States is President Donald Trump instead of President Barrack Obama. 68.231.204.166 (talk) 16:05, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 16:07, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I beg your pardon? There is ample supporting evidence that a new US president was elected in 2016. I've made the change myself. BusterD (talk) 16:10, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * This is not a listing of who is the current president but which videos can be downloaded as MP4 files. The source says Obama. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 16:14, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Would it be useful to change the sentence in some way to make it clear that Obama is no longer the president? The statement as written is no longer operative, and the request from the ip editor is perfectly reasonable. BusterD (talk) 16:18, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I will just remove the example, unless you have a better idea. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 16:26, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * This was added at the time because it was considered to be unusual. Most YouTube videos cannot be downloaded (at least officially) but the weekly speeches of President Obama did have a download link.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 17:37, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Since the example no longer applies as written, and as the current office holder has discontinued weekly addresses altogether (which I didn't know until I looked it up), removing the example makes sense. Thanks for the work you do here. It must be quite difficult to keep such a highly viewed page at GA level. BusterD (talk) 17:49, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Changes to the YouTube Partner Program
YouTube's January 2018 changes to the YPP have been seen as a response to the Logan Paul controversy, although with 15.9 million subscribers he would not be affected by them. YouTube said in its blog that the changes would not affect a large number of users, saying "99% of those affected were making less than $100 per year in the last year, with 90% earning less than $2.50 in the last month." Nevertheless, the YouTube community was not pleased, with some users saying that the smaller channels were being penalized for the Logan Paul video. Some commentators agreed with the changes but the main story is that YouTube is now worried about any monetized video causing a controversy. The rules for Google Preferred have also been changed in January 2018, so that all eligible videos will be manually checked before advertising is allowed in them.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 16:17, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

YouTube 3D video support
It appears that YouTube supports less ways of viewing 3D videos now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheKing44 (talk • contribs) 23:09, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Localization: Belarus
Localization: Belarus (Countries with YouTube localization) - Belarusian language and Russian. --TheSnowflakeWarwaLAND (talk) 00:28, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
 * This is in the drop down localization table in the article. Belarus was added in October 2015.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 06:15, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

YouTube Gaming
Besides the obvious answer (because I haven't added it yet), why isn't there a subsection called 'YouTube Gaming'?Captain camEO (talk) 11:40, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
 * It's mentioned in the Company history section but probably isn't worth a subsection of its own.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 15:02, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Games played and showcased on YouTube comprise, on average, the largest portion of revenue for AdSense participants, as well as being the least challenged videos since the Adpocalypse of 2017. That's pretty substantial, and deserves more than just a difficult-to-find sentence. Also, even though it's a direct competitor to Twitch, the two are vastly different. They follow different upload/streaming models, are built using different technologies, and have separate policies. As written, the sentence in the article is like saying Twitch competes with The Price Is Right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Captain camEO (talk • contribs) 18:02, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
 * And if we want to look into even more numbers, statistics from Bärtl’s research show that YouTube Gamers have 14-time multiple of making money on the site than do traditional vloggers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Captain camEO (talk • contribs) 01:46, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Reverted the removal of table of Youtube encodings
Whoever User:Wumbolo is, they removed a very useful item in the article. I fixed their removal of the table from the article. Ergzay (talk) 23:12, 25 March 2018 (UTC)


 * See Talk:YouTube/Archive_22 Initially I wasn't keen on this either, but a lot of it was out of date and most of it was WP:OR.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 06:11, 26 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Your ping didn't work. The table has no place on this article. It lacks references, and we put even a lot of referenced content on other YouTube articles. This article is already too long. It may well be useful so consider placing it on another article and trying to source it there; this article is not a playground, it is supposed to resemble a good article so please use a sandbox. You may also put this on a sister Wiki project. w umbolo   ^^^  13:04, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Strongly disagree. The table is correct in practice. If it lacks references then fix them don't simply remove info that people reference. If you think its wrong then use youtube-dl and dump the format list from a youtube video (anyone can). The youtube-dl source code can be a reference if you care. Please don't hold this page hostage based on your own opinions. Reverted. Ergzay (talk) 19:55, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Adding on, please don't treat the page on Youtube as a non-technical page. Technical information is important and should not just be deleted. Stackoverflow even links to this page as a source for the list of formats that youtube uses. Ergzay (talk) 20:00, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Re this edit: I don't dispute that a lot of it is correct "in practice" but it was created by people downloading the videos and analyzing them with MediaInfo and similar tools. This means that they are original research. It's also unclear if all of these formats are still in use, and some of them may be obsolete. The consensus was to remove this, because the article would never get back to Good Article status with such a chunk of unsourced material.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 05:00, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Censorship of Youtube... by Youtube
Why don't you discuss this? Since Google took the company over, it has rapidly gone downhill. So called "fake news" scares have led to wide demonetisation and even removal of videos by the company itself, which is also pushing content by more "approved" outlets such as the BBC and CNN. It seems to me that it is ending up the polar opposite of what most people want from it.--SpringsteenSessions (talk) 15:03, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

feel free to summarize from Censorship by Google. w umbolo  ^^^  15:31, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 April 2018
the shooting section needs to be updated with that 4 or 5 people were taken to a hospital via ambulance and the shooter was a female https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/03/us/youtube-hq-shooting/index.html 71.169.158.86 (talk) 21:43, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * This request belongs on the article about the shooting. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:38, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Active Shooter
There seems to be an active shooter situation going on at the YouTube HQ in San Bruno, CA Should this be covered in YouTube or in a separate article? lovkal (talk) 20:35, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Seems to be too soon to know anything for certain as of yet. I'd say wait until more information is available. --  Dane  talk  20:37, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:NOTNEWS. Wikipedia is not the place to make changes because of late-breaking stuff. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 20:38, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

I just created 2018 San Bruno, California shooting. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:48, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you need to read WP:NOTNEWS, too. I don't think your editing in this manner is either sustainable or practical. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 20:52, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm familiar, and I'm fine with creating a space for folks to draft content. Can always be merged later, not a big deal. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:55, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Update: The article has been moved to YouTube headquarters shooting. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:39, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

YouTube's audio music track muted is vanished
What happened to audio music track muted on YouTube? It's vanished or what?2604:2000:A016:3F00:1188:16D8:8998:2C54 (talk) 02:39, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * This is beyond article scope, but YouTube has muted audio tracks in the past if copyright claims were made. This system was introduced in January 2009, possibly to deal with complaints from Warner Music Group, which was making a huge fuss about YouTube at the time. It's unclear if they are still doing this, but sourcing would be needed.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 05:42, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Split proposed
Since we have run into discussions about the size of this article, I propose splitting out the Features section of the article, as it contains around a third of the article's prose. It can definitely survive on its own, and be properly summarized. Note that we already have other sections split out and summarized. w umbolo  ^^^  14:39, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
 *  Strongly support split -, due to the article size, I strongly support the creation of a Features of YouTube article. --Jax 0677 (talk) 18:01, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose The features of YouTube aren't notable. Almost this entire article relies upon primary sources and a fair amount of that specific section relies on links from YouTube, itself. Cut the junk content and pare down to what independent reliable sources say and suddenly the article will be smaller. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 18:07, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 *  Reply -, be bold! --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:36, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Porn on YouTube
Re this edit: it is the latest piece of Think of the children from The Sun (United Kingdom) which isn't a reliable source. YouTube is well aware that some people try to get around the rules by uploading sexually explicit content, see this thread in the archive. YouTube is not filled with porn unless you are a bored journalist on a wet afternoon.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 16:41, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Screenshot copyright question
YouTube holds the copyright for the website, but the screenshot that we include in this article contains thumbnails of several copyrighted videos whose copyright owner isn't YouTube. I believe that this is currently a copyright violation, since the non-free rationale on the image page only covers for the website in general, and obviously not for the thumbnails of individual videos on the site. w umbolo  ^^^  11:35, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * This is technically true, but if the thumbnails were blurred out or removed, there would be little point in having the screenshot. The thumbnails are so small that they are of illustrative value only.-- ♦Ian Ma c  M♦  (talk to me) 12:29, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I think the non-free use rationale should indicate that in some way, as the image consists of multiple copyrighted entities, so to say. w umbolo   ^^^  12:32, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Merge proposal
I propose that Google Preferred is merged into this article. It is very short. w umbolo  ^^^  21:18, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

What is the nature of youtu.be?
Someone who knows, please mention in the article the nature of the address youtu.be. Does this address lead to youtube or what? Because it looks like one of those addresses that are similar to a popular address, designed to mislead the user to a sham site. Why does this site exist? Thanks.CountMacula (talk) 20:43, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Youtu.be is a shorter version of Youtube.com and redirects to that website, There's no need to mention it as they only use this address for sharing purposes. – Davey 2010 Talk 20:54, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
 * It is their native URL shortener. Discuss-Dubious (t/c) 18:42, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * The youtu.be URL shortener was introduced in December 2009. YouTube wanted an official shortening service for the links rather than relying on possibly rogue third party tools.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 05:54, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Don't assume that people reading this article know what you know.
The article refers to YouTube channels as though everyone knows what a YouTube channel is.

They don't. It is obviously related to the idea of a broadcast or cable television channel — which pretty much any reader understands. But a YouTube channel is not the same thing as a TV channel. So they need to be explained before they ought to be referred to.

The same comment applies to many different things. Some readers may not even have access to YouTube, so everything they know about YouTube may come from this article.2600:1700:E1C0:F340:9DFF:8453:754E:B40D (talk) 19:46, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

the link to Peter Bradshaw doesn't refer to the correct one with this name.
TBD — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.102.229.79 (talk) 16:56, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thanks for pointing this out.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 18:28, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 August 2018
i want to make people subscribe to a certain channel Dat boi 356276536562 (talk) 19:22, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: that's against the purpose of Wikipedia, and besides you did not explain what you wanted to change. L293D (☎ • ✎) 19:29, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 August 2018
The address states that the youtube headquarters is cherry avenue but it is cherry ave. It is not a short form of avenue. 82.2.114.129 (talk) 15:47, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * ❌ YouTube's website gives the address as 901 Cherry Ave., but Ave. is short for Avenue in the same way that Blvd is short for Boulevard or St for Street. This doesn't seem to be obviously wrong.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 17:46, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 September 2018
Change "YouTube began as a venture capital-funded technology startup, primarily from an $11.5 million investment by Sequoia Capital between November 2005 and April 2006." to "YouTube began as a venture capital-funded technology startup, primarily from an $11.5 million investment by Sequoia Capital and Artis Capital Management between November 2005 and April 2006."

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/12/technology/12hedges.html 38.101.216.227 (talk) 20:50, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Claim and reference added.   spintendo   19:25, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Proposed merge with YouTube copyright strike
Already slightly covered, and this has no reason to be a standalone article (too specific topic). w umbolo  ^^^  21:13, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Alright . For me, it must be included on "Community policy" section. Tajotep (talk) 22:51, 7 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge: Too specific and not enough detail for a separate article, so merge it under Copyrighted material. OfficerAPC (talk) 12:18, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

This can definitely be merged - this is nowhere near complex enough to have it's own article. --ThatOneGuy000 (talk) 19:37, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose and undo Moving the content here makes this article 102kb readable prose. Per Article_size articles over 100kb readable propose need to be split. 60kb is the soft limit when editors need to start planning a split. Moving more content into this article is going against a norm. If anyone wants to move this content in this first split off other parts and move other parts out.
 * Also it would be easy to expand the copyright strike article. I will add some more sources to make it stand alone more solidly. I am reverting for now.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  00:38, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose The problem with merging other articles into this one is WP:SIZERULE as the article is now becoming too long for an average reader. YouTube copyright strikes do not need a long mention here, and there is now no room to add anything of significant length here because of the WP:SIZERULE problem.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 05:14, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * On the other hand, the Features section is certainly long enough to have its own article, as discussed earlier this year. OfficerAPC (talk) 14:21, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Promotion of conspiracy theories and fringe discourse
I propose that this section is moved to Social impact of YouTube, because its content is not even mentioned at the other article, which is a complete violation of WP:Summary style. Also, this article is too long to contain every POV related to this topic. If this topic fits in the social impact article well, we may consider writing a summary in this article, consisting of some authoritative consensus instead of an indiscriminate collection of POVs. w umbolo  ^^^  14:37, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Nope, what other articles do is irrelevant. The content is highly notable and subject to extensive RS coverage, unlike much of the trivial minutia and poorly sourced garbage that it's in the article right now. The content should not be forked and put out of sight, as you're proposing. The text is already concisely worded and would not benefit from a trimming. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 14:43, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * You're just wrong. Maybe your proposal would work a few years ago, but right now you're completely wrong. If this is "subject to extensive RS coverage" and "highly notable" as you claim it is, then it's even more ridiculous to keep it in the article when summary style can be used. And what's the "trivial minutia and poorly sourced garbage" you referred to? w umbolo   ^^^  15:37, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * And to elaborate on this revert, it introduces a blatant false statement that YouTube's algorithms "promoted" conspiracy theories, and is POV anyway. w umbolo   ^^^  16:33, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * This is extensively sourced. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 16:42, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The current content of this section is not suitable for Social impact of YouTube because that article concerns the social impact of YouTube, that is, impact outside the website. In contrast, the current content of this section describes videos inside the website, and does not provide specific indications of how such videos have in fact impacted larger society. Disclosure: I have been the main contributor to Social impact of YouTube (81.8% of current text) since late 2013. —RCraig09 (talk) 17:39, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Afterthought: At most, a sentence could be added to Social impact of YouTube in one of the sections, "Broadened expression of political ideas" or "Expression of racial minorities and minority viewpoints". —RCraig09 (talk) 17:48, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure, it would be fine to put the content in its own section. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 17:53, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * ? Its own section in which article? —RCraig09 (talk) 17:48, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * In this article, YouTube. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 17:53, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Follow-up: I've just added the following text to Social impact of YouTube (click here for diff). Any more internal detail should be kept in this YouTube article, because the Social impact of YouTube is limited to YouTube's impact outside the website itself. —RCraig09 (talk) 22:19, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * We can talk about the results by sociologists all we want at that article, but their incorrect or unsubstantiated beliefs about YouTube's internal workings are not appropriate for this article. w umbolo   ^^^  22:26, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Fringe study?
Should this study cited by CJR be cited in the article? To me it looks very conspiratorial, useless, and amateurish. w umbolo  ^^^  15:41, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * In a word: yes. It's neither conspiratorial nor useless nor amateurish (60 pages, 110 endnotes, and is in turn cited by other reliable sources such as CJR and Vox among others I ran across). —RCraig09 (talk) 22:48, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Link: Google news results 2010-10-07 when searching the author and article title. —RCraig09 (talk) 23:02, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 October 2018
Please change the launch date from February 14, 2005 to April 23, 2005.

Source: https://mashable.com/2015/02/14/youtube-history/ 79.41.113.199 (talk) 21:52, 7 October 2018 (UTC) 79.41.113.199 (talk) 21:52, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: From History of YouTube, The domain name "YouTube.com" was activated on February 14, 2005 with video upload options being integrated on April 23, 2005. w umbolo   ^^^  22:12, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * This was discussed previously here. February 14, 2005 has been given as the date of YouTube's launch/founding in numerous news stories, but this is the date when the domain youtube.com was registered and the first videos were not uploaded until April 23, 2005.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 05:30, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

YouTube outage, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
There was just an outage on YouTube at about 01:10, 17 October (UTC) that affected millions of users across the world. Should we add this incident to YouTube? —Wei4Green &#124; 唯绿远大 (talk) 02:28, 17 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Indeed we should! --79.241.198.227 (talk) 02:31, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Think you mean an outage. Yes if it gets a fair amount of reliable coverage like this it can probably be mentioned eventually. Home Lander (talk) 02:32, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Just changed the title. —Wei4Green &#124; 唯绿远大 (talk) 02:36, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Considering WP:NOTNEWS, maybe this event should not even be mentioned in an encyclopedia article. —RCraig09 (talk) 16:42, 17 October 2018 (UTC)