Talk:YouTube/Archive 5

money
How the hell does youtube make money? They must be spending loads for all bandwidth they are using, yet I don't see a single advertisement on the entire site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.134.164.46 (talk) 22:31, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Commercial sponsors, and the fact that they're owned by Google. Calgary (talk) 17:37, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Video format
I Fact-tagged the TriD claim in this section as it implies youtube leave the file extension string, or the magic number, encoded in the FLV. Althoughh dubious, I guess anything's possible, but a cite would be nice. Then I noticed, and tagged, some other claims. I suppose the 300 kbps is an approximation because I can see up to 314kbit/s as of 2007-11-08, eg. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYbjnGWNoWo has 322279 bps. Also, and this may be too detailed for this article, didn't youtube previously allow both higher resolution and higher bit rates? I ask because "High resolution and high bitrate encoding test" at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIzqrDDQNSI has both 1119525 bps and 450 by 338 pixels. The linked Japanese article seems to be dated January 2007 with comments in August noting that youtube has now restricted videos to low bitrate. -Wikianon 20:24, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I would welcome a citation or other basis for the claim that "This technology [Sorenson Spark video codec] allows the site to display videos with quality comparable to more established video playback technologies". The technical quality of videos on youtube seems a lot worse than modern QT or WMA can offer. -- another anon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.181.252.178 (talk) 23:54, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

History
The part that says "'YouTube was created in mid-February 2005 by three former PayPal employees.[2] The San Bruno-based service uses Adobe Flash technology to display a wide variety of video content, including movie clips, TV clips and music videos, as well as amateur content such as videoblogging and short original videos. In October 2006, Google Inc. announced that it had reached a deal to acquire the company for US$1.65 billion in Google stock. The deal closed on November 13, 2006.[3]'" is currently in the intro. It would go much better in the history which currently just says "Main article: History of YouTube" and then jumps straight into "Domain name problem". Not a very inviting read for the History section, is it? --190.74.108.43 (talk) 14:00, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Hacking
There's have been several accounts that have been hacked on Youtube lately. Just take a look at this video.--67.87.66.127 (talk) 12:15, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I DEFINITELY think the subject of hacking deserves its own section in the article. It has been a major problem lately (lots of accounts have been hacked), and YouTube does NOTHING about it. On a side note, one of the hackers found an exploit to steal other people's user groups. I think that should be mentioned too. I'm the one who made that video by the way. TanookiMario257 (talk) 02:26, 25 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Do y'all have any reliable sources you could cite supporting your assertions? --ElKevbo (talk) 03:13, 25 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, here are some Google cached pages of hacked accounts (and they're not fake, as Google's caching feature copies the page exactly as it was):


 * iamachef (WARNING: Offensive images)
 * 912cookie | (account prior to hacking)
 * spammer
 * spamming
 * viacom
 * sauskelover25 (WARNING: Seizure-inducing background) | (account prior to hacking)
 * NoSpammerRightsAgent | (account prior to hacking)
 * Animelover78 | (account prior to hacking)
 * itachi12123 | (account prior to hacking)


 * More hacked accounts: (note: in the first two cases below these users were able to get control of their accounts back)
 * Rct3man777
 * Sora444 | (bulletin from the real person concerning the hacking)
 * kurenai12 | (bulletin #2) | (bulletin #3) | (account prior to hacking) (Note: account was closed soon after that)
 * kaisblaze13 | (account prior to hacking)
 * super2funny | (account prior to hacking)
 * cody9994 | (account prior to hacking)
 * xmodscarbon —Preceding unsigned comment added by TanookiMario257 (talk • contribs) 02:03, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


 * That's quite a bit... and that isn't even all of them. There were a few more, but Google didn't cache of all of them. TanookiMario257 (talk) 14:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I know one. Theres one named roflcopter4 hacking mostly Thomas Fans. He is a Racist Guy and how he hacked them, He was posing as the Youtube Administrator called TheYootubeTeam and asked people for their passwords and it was quite obviously roflcopter because the one that was sent to me was titled you fags cant stop me! Most of my Friends are Gone. He announced to everyone through bulletins that he was Roflcopter4! -


 * One of the Barış Akarsu - Islak Islak videos was removed on September because of hacking. The video was the most discussed video of all time with close to 200,000 comments. Many of these comments has acquired after Akarsu's death. OnurTcontribs 19:21, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Just got a phishing scam today: TanookiMario257 22:40, 2 December 2007 (UTC)


 * This all original research which is not appropriate, what we need our verifiable, reliable sources please. Thanks, SqueakBox 22:49, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

YouRipper and timeline issues
I feel there should definitely be a mentioning in the section regarding formatting into .FLV files of the illegal-but-widely-available freeware YouRipper, which allows users to simply download YouTube videos directly onto their computers by copying the video URL into the filepath box and saving them as Adobe Flash Videos under the filename ".FLV" after which they can rename it and, in the absence of a media player that can stream .FLV files on your desktop, can convert to another format, or simply upload to any website that permits said file extension, including Myspace, which many users in fact do. YouRipper essentially reverses YouTube's formatting when it rips. It should be noted that there are other softwares out there capable of this. I believe Mozilla Firefox can also accomplish this.

Also, in "#On YouTube," the sentence, "Beginning in June 2007, newly uploaded videos will also be encoded using the H.264 video standard to enable streaming of YouTube videos on the Apple TV and the iPhone." is quite obviously outdated and needs simple revision to past tense from future tense.

Thanks, Alan --24.184.184.177 16:52, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Porn?
I have never known youtube to allow porn on thier site, yet I found a link to porn today and amessage stating that a cnn report disclosed youtube's intention of permitting pornographic material on their site. Is any of this true, and if so why do I not see any mention of it in the article? 75.39.197.219 (talk) 05:28, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Well. YouTube isn't allowing it. They're trying their best to delete all the stripper's accounts + videos and pornographic material. The thing that bothers me is that one of the most viewed videos is a XXX porno film. BrianD1996 (talk) 12:54, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Can it be cited as a source?
There has been a discussion as to whether or not it can be used as an additional source. Is there?--Hourick (talk) 17:44, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

flagging
Why no mention of flagging? A video can be flagged without stating of proving a reason why it should be and this cannot be reversed. I remember a FOB video was flagged when as appropiate and this was not reversedYVNP (talk) 18:57, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

InVideo ads
This should be added into the article:

http://www.webtvwire.com/why-youtube-embedded-advertisements-will-fail-invideo-ads-are-distracting/

http://www.webtvwire.com/youtube-experiments-with-embedded-in-video-advertisements-here-to-stay/

The articles talk about the "InVideo" ads, which pop up from the bottom of the video, and stay for about 20 seconds, unless the user closes them.

Here is an example of an embedded advertisement in action. After 15 seconds, you will notice a random advertisement pop up from the bottom of the video screen.

70.121.29.89 (talk) 00:21, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Nazi Videos on you tube
Yesterday CNN International had a report about the massive use of youtube by Neo-Nazi organizations to showcase old propaganda videos of the Nazi-era and to reach new groups of people. CNN and many German newspapers and TV-reports brought the videos to the attention of youtube, but to no anvail - youtube still keeps them online. Therefore the Germen Zentralrat der Juden is going to sue youtube now. My question is, how do we get this CNN report as a source? There are many German sources about this topic, but the CNN report was extremly detailed and therefore I would like to use it, as primary reference. --noclador (talk) 07:51, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Found it http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2007/12/17/pleitgen.neo.nazis.on.you.tube.cnn  --noclador (talk) 08:12, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

youtube on tv?
Think the idea of Youtube Getting a tv station will get off the ground? If so, will the idea go international? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.228.27.154 (talk) 19:13, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

How does Youtube get money?
I was just on the site and didn't see any commercials or what so ever. How do they make money? Traffic?
 * I'm uploading a video right now and am looking at an ad for the Ford '08 Escape, so my guess eould be advertising + traffic.
 * For the first time I saw advertisements in full-screen mode. They only were there for a few seconds, and you could get rid of them by clicking on the x, but I think they have finally started to ad actual advertisements for you to see while watching videos. 74.38.86.119 (talk) 18:16, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Broadcast Yourself
Anyone Else noticed that it has been removed from the logo?Veggieburgerfish (talk) 01:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Copyright Material
Anyone know how well Youtube enforces its copyright policy? In my opinion not so well considering that many anime shows and music videos are posted and not removed. Along with full length movies Rk589 (talk) 23:15, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Youtube does a very poor job enforcing its copyright rule, as indicated by these:

But with no reliable third party source, we can't post anything about it. SkepticBanner (talk) 06:33, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Found something [] looks like something thats related maybe a senior member could consider some info? Rk589 (talk) 02:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

What are you talking about? They are doing a horrible job with copyright stuff. And not because they aren't removing enough videos. The fact that they ARE removing videos. Arogi Ho (talk) 02:14, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Quote from the article: ''Despite this, a large amount of potentially infringing content continues to be uploaded (e.g., television shows/clips, film clips, commercials, music videos, music concerts, M.U.G.E.N, emulator hacks, or games republished onto another system such as PSP). '' (Emphasis mine) As far as I know, YouTube is a video uploading service. This sounds like it was possible to upload software or other file types. Did the author actually mean that you could upload (copyright-infringing) games, hacks etc. (and if so, how is that possible?), or did they mean video clips of such? Either way, some clarification on this point would be nice. It's quite confusing to me as a non-native English speaker, and I'm reluctant to change it right away. 87.79.215.175 (talk) 13:58, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It'd be better if they did allow copyright videos. Arogi Ho (talk) 01:48, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, just take a look right at this bulletin right here:[]67.87.66.127 (talk) 21:34, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

2007 Primary US Presidential Debates
I didnt see any mention about the debates done with CNN. It should be worth a mention. First time supposed people had a chance to ask questions (I say supposed because CNN did "screen" them and some of them turned out to be operatives from other campaigns). Arnabdas (talk) 16:33, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

External Tools
Apart from
 * SaveTube
 * YouTube Search and Downloader
 * YouTube Catcher
 * Qooqle Labs
 * ViLoader

For windows exists a useful tool called YoutubeCrazyVideos 2. It is a complete desktop pack or suite (... Youtube search, Online Player,Audio extractor,Video Downloader, Local flv player, and so on...) that runs on windows without any spyware or malware that improves the youtube experience.

Should we add YoutubeCrazyVideos 2 as a 3td party tool? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.59.58.238 (talk) 18:23, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

YouTube Name
Dose anyone know Where or How Jawed Karim ((he rocks)) and the other 2 came up with the name YouTube? Shadowbean 20:40, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

How come no one has anwsered this question? I desperately want to know how they came up with the name YouTube! If anyone knows please type how they got the name in the article. Shadowbean (talk) 07:59, 15 December 2007 (UTC)


 * "Tube" word came from CRT as broadcasting I think. OnurTcontribs 17:59, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Spam
Me myself have reported there some animal-abuse videos and most of all, in my school a few asked me if they can have my phone to film some fight, which I accepted, however later on I removed it from my phone but others on school used their mobile for the fights and I don't know if they have uploaded this on Youtube or not. --Flesh-n-Bone 11:28, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

so?? what's that got to do with ANYTHING!?????(211.31.189.93 (talk) 13:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC))


 * I'm just saying it, as such stuff are mentioned. --Flesh-n-Bone 12:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

New I found another spammer (lolSPAMloll) is the username, can anyone tell me how to report this one? He kept writing nasty comments in my user page. --Flesh-n-Bone 12:15, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * http://www.google.com/support/youtube/bin/request.py, Report Abuse - Spam and contact YouTube team. OnurTcontribs 19:34, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Universities on youtube
With the increased use of educators to use youtube as a medium of distributing their lectures, i think that there should be a wiki listing the universities with youtube channels. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.82.51.28 (talk) 16:02, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

RACISM
I must reveal that Youtube has numerous racist videos, and such things promote hatred and violence toward race, ethnics and color. My view seems to be shared by at least 1 other user, as you can see from the first Racism section above. Here is the evidence:

                     

I beg all of you to consider putting this in the article. Please consider well. Thank you very much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aidoflight (talk • contribs) November 18 2007
 * Racists exist? What's your point? 82.112.142.123 (talk) 18:10, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, it's been said before, but...reliable sources. If you can confirm that your view has recieved significant attention from reliable third party sources then it can go in. Otherwise...Calgary (talk) 17:39, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * How is "America Sucks" and "Canadian Idiot" racist? Arogi Ho (talk) 16:11, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

If I were post the n-word in this forum would that be making Wikipedia racist? Your logic is terrible. Please grasp the concept of user-submission before bringing your claim back up. Dkkicks (talk) 03:54, 15 December 2007 (UTC) That is not true. This person is probably trying to excercise the point that youtube is eligible to post racist material.Iceberg2229 (talk)` —Preceding comment was added at 15:23, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Article split?
Does anyone think we should split the social impact section into a new article called "Social impact of YouTube"? This is page is already 62 kilobytes long. If no one responds within a week, I'll go ahead and do it.  Noah¢s   ( Talk )  21:00, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

yah, i think that is too large.--Aristotle58 (talk) 16:44, 21 January 2008 (UTC)-Aristotle58

M!$$ $coBy 2 U #@+!N #3$ K@k@ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.251.46.139 (talk) 21:56, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

YouTube videos on Wikipedia
Other wikis (such as Uncylopedia or Encyclopedia Dramatica) are able to paste Youtube videos directly into their articles. Is there a way that can be done on Wikipedia? --Ye Olde Luke (talk) 03:12, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

In Turkey
The ban has been lifted, please update the article --88.241.65.126 (talk) 19:54, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Anthony Anderson
I don't think it's the same guy. We should note that. Otherwise, we have a serious libel case on our hands. Jus tin  (c)(u) 16:45, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * That section isn't written well. It's obviously some other Anthony Anderson. I removed the name to eliminate consufion. Cool Hand Luke 19:31, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Video Statistics
At the end of the first section, someone wrote "As of January 6, 2008, a YouTube search for "*" returns about 64,000,000 videos (the asterisk is a commonly used wildcard character in search engines, therefore showing all videos)[6]. On January 2, the number was 61.7 million, showing an average of 825,000 new videos every day the past 4 days." Today is January 12, 2008 (6 days since the claim) and a * search comes up with 64,100,000 videos. That means a 100,000 increase in the past 6 days. Maybe there was just higher than usual uploading between the 2nd and 6th, so the 825,000/day claim really shouldn't be in the article because no one has proof of that. I'm new to editing, so I guess that's why I'm not able to change this particular article myself?--AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 11:47, 12 January 2008 (UTC) Let me rephrase, it shouldn't be in the article because it makes it look like youtube adds 825,000 videos a day, not that the actual number mentioned didn't take place.--AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 11:48, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm also having an issue with this statistics statement... I don't think that it is valid to approximate the number of videos using the wildcard for the following reason: At the time of writing, the wild card search gave me 62 800 000, but using the letter "v", I got 63 700 000... I did not edit the article because I only wanted to point out the problem and have a discussion about it.
 * A little suggestion. I think it could be possible to evaluate, maybe even have the exact number number of videos on YouTube by using a script that would test all possible combinations of caracters that YT uses to identify videos. That's 11 caracters, ranging from A to Z, a to z, 0 to 9, dash and underscore. By testing each url for a valid page instead of a "video not available" page, we might be able to know the real number. I know that would be about 73 786 976 294 838 206 464 combinations to test, but it's just a thought... So, anyone wanna try?Smumdax (talk) 22:41, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps the discrepancy in total videos and the rate at which that are uploaded has something to do with Youtube deleting many videos that violate copyrights. Maybe some days more videos are removed than others affecting the rate in growth of the total number of videos. The current count on Feb 1 is 67.7 million...so it seems that over the last month about 4 million were added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.183.200.150 (talk) 16:18, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * It would be interesting if we could add demographics and statistics to most areas like, how many users actually post videos, how many video's the average user posts, and things like that... I haven't yet looked for sources but it would be an interesting addition I think.--Sparkygravity (talk) 15:27, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Youtube mods
jih\ —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheAmericanUhate (talk • contribs) 21:46, 13 January 2008 (UTC) lolwut?--Axe995 (talk) 03:10, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

YouChoob or YouToob?
Is it pronounced YouChoob or YouToob? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roxy2k7 (talk • contribs) 07:50, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe this depends on the person and/or their regional accent, so both are correct. Kind of like how some people say "Toosday" and others "Chewsday" for "Tuesday". • Supā saru  14:34, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

HD Controversy
Recently there was a breakthrough regarding uploading High Quality videos to Youtube as shown here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiQRCbdhh6o

If you look at the sidebar, you'd find that the method no longer works. I thought it might be noteworthy to add this into the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.171.123.60 (talk) 20:41, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, and what do you mean by controversy? The people finding out how to put higher quality videos than 320*240 is in no way controversial or bad. It kinda sucks that it no longer works. Youtube had no reason to change it. Arogi Ho (talk) 22:53, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * In general, I just thought it would be good to incorporate, but I'm having trouble finding sources to back up what happened, or the circumstances. 72.234.254.153 (talk) 04:23, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Added EvilThouther (talk) 04:52, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

you CAN avoid youtubes re-encoding of your videos
It seems to me, that no one right here knows that: Uploaded videos which are in flv-format and have an average bitrate below or equal to 350kbit/s don't get re-encoded! So you can retain any resolution (for example 480x360, which is the size of the flash-player-window) and use any mp3-stream (for example cd-quality 128kbit/s with 44.1kHz/stereo). I recommend Mencoder. In the post above this one they said, that youtube recently removed such a feature. But that's not true. For testing-purposes I uploaded a custom-flv-video before some minutes and it still works: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AlCAFC5ZOI —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.193.249.214 (talk) 12:51, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Nice sound quality. I guess they did something to prevent the 11 minutes hex cheat and nobody noticed they still could upload High Quality vids.- Master Bigode from SRK.o// (Talk) (Contribs) 15:03, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It looks alright, but it's not as clear as what HD tricks could do. In addition, this vid explains how that method works: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC2EPfsfllI . I'll consider adding in your bit, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by EvilThouther (talk • contribs) 20:01, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Censorship Section Removed
The following was posted, and I have deleted due to it not being well-written, sounding biased, probably not being true, and not being cited at any rate. Edit it with sources if you have them. Theonejanitor (talk) 07:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Censorship
YouTube is known for censoring certain content themselves. This includes the temporary disabling of PerezHilton's account. Recently on February 10, 2008, YouTube is attempting to silence Chris Crocker's account by removing him from the most subscribed list even though he should be #10 for having over 92,000 subscibers. Crocker's video entitled "Gay HATE on YouTube" was posted on February 8 quickly rose to #1 most viewed daily having over 700,000 views. YouTube has removed him from the most viewed daily list, from #1 to nothing. Crocker claims that YouTube does not support him, and did not want him garnering more attention, first being his "Leave Britney Alone!" video.

Censorship of February 10th Protests against Church of Scientology
Could someone please review the material at the following URL and decide whether it is worth mentioning under the "censorship" section? The website is fairly reputable and contains a decent quantity of evidence.

http://ipower.movielol.org/youtube-anon.php —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.149.189.120 (talk) 03:34, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * This is more legitimate than the Chirs Croker incident. That turned out to be a site error when he changed his icon. The view count freeze seems to have affected a lot of videos, even one by MRirian who is a Youtube partner, and doesn't even speak in her latest video! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.206.124.190 (talk) 06:02, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Stupid content shit
Why do yu in this article even have youtube CONTENT in it???? Youtube has everything, and alot of everything, remove the content parts and just tell what youtube is about, and maybe whats negative with it which leads to ppl uploading violent vids and shit, ive seen people DYING on youtube, why dont u write about that, too much to write about, stupid

Utube
In the section "History of Youtube," it is worth noting that since then, the tubing company website has moved from utube.com to utubeonline.com in response to the increased trafic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.116.222.46 (talk) 02:11, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, utube.com is now a squatted domain. The domain name problem section needs to be updated.

Tom Dickson
Should we add Tom Dickson the creator of Blend tech ?

Political Section
Makes reference to Hiliary and Obama in a way that can be construed as negative. I recommened deleting the names of the two. I would do it myself, but the Temple University WLAN won't allow it for some reason.

Slideshows of Official Renders of Characters
Hmmm....if anyone did slideshows of official renders of characters, are you sure that he or she should ask the owner's permission first? How they would ask is if they at least logged into the company website. --PJ Pete

Brazil
Though there was a court order to block youtube in brazil, it was never enforced, not a single day went by that the website was down. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Greate place for hate videos
There are so many xenophobic, nazi and antisemitic videos. Just type in Youtube search russian nazi or something like this and you'll get many hate videos. -Unknown

I want to further add to your point regarding japanese right wings. I recently found out a lot of japanese right wing activists' propaganda. Frequent denial on nanking massacre and anti chinese videos were common. Those acts were clearly consistent with japanese right wing's philosophy. Also there were videos related to historical revisionism.

At the same time there were anti-japanese propaganda by chinese and koreans. Those often exchange fire with the japanese counterparts and cause great consternation to the general public. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.21.154.111 (talk) 07:36, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

That is not all you can find loads of radical muslims posting snuff filsm, muhajadeen, suicide bomb videos all from msulism on Ytube this is a huge problem it disgusts me. Youtube is all biased against those who criticize anything Islamic. Muslims run falgging campaigns and abuse the so-called flaggin function just to suspend anyone. But yet, youtube keeps Al-Quaida snuper vids up depsite the leigitmate claims. YouTube has a huge problwem with this among the neo-nazis, and of course don;t forget Islam hates Jews which goes hand and hand with it.(---Anonymous) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.223.182.114 (talk) 23:09, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Seems here that everyone is trying to use this discussion as a forum page, not the point of this page. RodolfoWong (talk) 17:03, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Politics?
I believe it'd be fair to mention Youtube's dabbling into the world of politics over the past few months, especially in its blog section. Sure the thing in Burma is terrible, but is it in the nature of Youtube a place that hosts videos (mostly of Californian kids butchering the art of video, let's face it) to highlight things its main target demographic won't have a clue about? And then there's the presidential candidate debate thing, again surely a fair chunk of users are underaged to vote anyway. What is Youtube trying to prove? - Godawful023

Suggestion to Delete the Section on "Economy of YouTube"
I suggest deleting this section that was originally created by me and never modified substantially by somebody else. I have expertise in this field myself and besides citing myself (which is a rule for Wikpedia articles if you have expertise and draw from your own published knowledge) I prior cited other works in the same section. My contribution was considered as spam by some because I cite myself. I don't agree with this, but can understand the argument. But overall I think that if just Tapscott and Williams are cited here, then this is narrow-minded because it leaves out other views which is not my intention and is unbalanced. If anybody finds the economy section important, then please heavily edit and expand it, the current form is not sufficient, it doesn't satisfy NPOV because it heavily promotes one position (Tapscott/Williams) although others are in existence, but not cited and mentioned here. This discussion was a result of my creation of the economy section: Please take a look here and consider contributing/mediating the conflict that has arisen here. User talk: Crscrs.

500 Internal Server Error
Many people are getting this error ("500 Internal Server Error") lately along with a message about highly trained monkeys being dispatched to fix the problem. However, the problem has persisted for several days now, which points to either the severity of the problem, or youtube (and Google) engineering's inability to remedy the situation, or both. I think this problem should be included in the main article to comment on youtube's technology. Todd (talk) 19:39, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It's working fine here 72.234.254.153 (talk) 04:27, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this very helpful message, 72.234.254.153!!! (PS: Don't bother to sign up as a user.)

youtube
Youtube is very fun place to watch funny and sad exciting ect. vedios but it can be danrous. So don't make a vedio were you live and who old you are because,thats not very safe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.4.179.105 (talk) 21:37, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * This is freakin' truth. --63.212.164.234 (talk) 22:54, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Pakistan Blocks YouTube
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7261727.stm

Did it apparently because it was showing images of Muhammad and insulting the Islamic faith.

65.255.147.8 (talk) 19:27, 24 February 2008 (UTC) (VONV)

More references for Pakistan incident
I wanted to add these URLs as references but the page is locked:

Technical summary by Alex Pilosov on the network operators' mailing list nanog: http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/msg06384.html

Technical timeline: http://www.renesys.com/blog/2008/02/pakistan_hijacks_youtube.shtml —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.46.209.99 (talk) 15:36, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

YouTube hijacked
YouTube has mysteriously not responded lately.

"DNS highjackers have effectively blocked YouTube globally by gaining control of the root domain record. whois youtube.com returns a poisoned record: disruptive:~ stevey$ whois youtube.com

Whois Server Version 2.0

Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net/ for detailed information.

YOUTUBE.COM.ZZZZZ.GET.LAID.AT.WWW.SWINGINGCOMMUNITY.COM YOUTUBE.COM.MORE.INFO.AT.WWW.BEYONDWHOIS.COM YOUTUBE.COM.IS.N0T.AS.1337.AS.WWW.GULLI.COM YOUTUBE.COM

Traceroute to www.youtube.com shows packets disappearing into a Hong Kong ISP, PCCW Telecom. "

(from a Slashdot post)

http://samspade.org/whois/youtube.com

Tracerouting youtube.com just stops at my ISP's routers (TeliaSonera) with time outs.

-- nlitement [talk]  19:30, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Whois Server Version 2.0 Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net for detailed information. Server Name: YOUTUBE.COM.ZZZZZ.GET.LAID.AT.WWW.SWINGINGCOMMUNITY.COM IP Address: 69.41.185.205 Registrar: INNERWISE INC. D/B/A ITSYOURDOMAIN.COM Whois Server: whois.itsyourdomain.com Referral URL: http://www.itsyourdomain.com Server Name: YOUTUBE.COM.MORE.INFO.AT.WWW.BEYONDWHOIS.COM IP Address: 203.36.226.2 Registrar: TUCOWS INC.   Whois Server: whois.tucows.com Referral URL: http://domainhelp.opensrs.net Server Name: YOUTUBE.COM.IS.N0T.AS.1337.AS.WWW.GULLI.COM IP Address: 80.190.192.39 Registrar: KEY-SYSTEMS GMBH Whois Server: whois.rrpproxy.net Referral URL: http://www.key-systems.net Domain Name: YOUTUBE.COM Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS LLC. Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com Name Server: DNS1.SJL.YOUTUBE.COM Name Server: DNS2.SJL.YOUTUBE.COM Status: clientDeleteProhibited Status: clientTransferProhibited Status: clientUpdateProhibited Updated Date: 01-nov-2006 Creation Date: 15-feb-2005 Expiration Date: 15-feb-2009 >>> Last update of whois database: Sun 24 Feb 2008 19: 06: 03 UTC <<< —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.210.47.67 (talk) 20:01, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Appearing on digg.com too: http://digg.com/tech_news/Youtube_Offline_3; this may be notable. If this really is a DNS hijacking case, well ... vow! --77.4.227.252 (talk) 20:38, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

According to OpenDNS, "Youtube.com is down right now because Pakistan Telecom has decided to (accidentally probably) hijack their IP address space which means that nobody in the world can reach Youtube. This isn’t an OpenDNS issue. Just letting you all know. "

Regarding the "YOUTUBE.COM.ZZZZZ.GET.LAID.AT.WWW.SWINGINGCOMMUNITY.COM" etc. in the whois, they have always been there —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.13.98 (talk) 20:55, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

YouTube's downtime was caused by a BGP misconfiguration, which allowed Pakistani ISP PieNet to advertise a more specific and bogus route for youtube.com's IP addresses. See here and here for details. Andareed (talk) 09:37, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

New Area
I think that we should add a new place called Most Famous Youtube VIdeos —Preceding unsigned comment added by Birdy541 (talk • contribs) 00:03, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Help with vanadlism
Recently there was some vanadlsim with content removed. []. Most of the content has been restroed howerever the catagroies have not been added back. Since I can't edit the page myself can someone plese fix this. --76.71.210.13 (talk) 01:25, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Fixed. DiverseMentality (talk) 02:20, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Politics Section
At the end of the section it implies that John Howard is the prime minister of Australia when in fact he is the former PM. Please change this?

78.151.123.219 (talk) 20:00, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Esa nchez (Talk 2 me or Sign here) 20:05, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Repetition
From the page: Cory Williams (aka Mr. Safety of smpfilms) is the host of the first national television show to spawn from video bloggers. It's a "best of the net" type show called The FIZZ[97] on DirecTV channel 101 in the United States.[98] on DirecTV channel 101.

DirecTV channel 101 in the United States on DirecTV channel 101...? 163.192.21.44 (talk) 05:23, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Taken care of. DiverseMentality (talk) 05:29, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Islamotube
A thing being discussed on youtube as of late are militant Jihadist groups which flag videos critical of Islam in droves, getting the creator's account suspended. This has led to a lot of people calling it "islamotube" and "muslimtube". Should a new section be created on the page for this?

VinTheMetalhed (talk) 20:11, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Direct access tot he uploaded flv
it woudl be interestign if there was at elast a mention ont he article about the possbiility to download the flv files, what Youtube has done to prevent that and such. Even if the article won't mention the exact techiniques used to reach the files, having the possibility of doing it aswell as the reasons why Youtube tries to make it hard would be somthing I woudl think would add much to the article in terms of quality and usch --TiagoTiago (talk) 13:15, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

most viewed
its now css, music is my hot hot sex. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.241.8.147 (talk) 19:25, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Ripping YouTube vids
Can we please include a section on ripping youtube vids? This is a big thing, and doesn't violate the terms of YouTube or Google. I guess it's the advantage of YouTube over other video sites. http://tubezaa.com/ is a good site which does this (there are a whole list of them). What are peoples thoughts? 130.220.153.164 (talk) 12:24, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Youtube Poop
We need a section on Youtube Poop. Definitely. They're the things I watch when I'm feeling down and they make it all better. If you don't understand what a Youtube Poop is then type in 'Youtube Poop' in the search bar on Youtube and pick one. Some think they are a random assortment of clips, some think they are awesome. I am one of those people who enjoy them. Please do not delete my post, I am doing my best not to have a POV here...--Editor510 (talk) 16:25, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Most notable channels
What about to write a list of most notable channels on YouTube?--Kozuch (talk) 20:09, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Banning or Blocking?
Have renamed the section Banning to Blocking, 'cause they block access to YouTube and I think they are not able to ban YouTube. xeryus (talk) 01:00, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Redirects
Can we change the page so that searching for "Youtube awards" redirects to the YouTube Awards page, and not to the YouTube page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.95.36.13 (talk) 18:09, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Chain letters section
Don't remove it because there are chain letters on Youtube. Claimgoal (talk) 01:52, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Featured videos have been rick rolled
It's April Fools Day and YouTube has been hacked

User:DMRiggs —Preceding unsigned comment added by DMRiggs (talk • contribs) 09:12, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Stupid locked article. Here's a ref for the

124.169.171.74 (talk) 12:41, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Chain letters
Get rid of the chain letters section; there's absolutely no reason for it to be there. It looks childish. Come one, just look at those.. 72.200.27.179 (talk) 02:01, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I removed the content. Childish indeed. DiverseMentality (talk) 02:49, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

YouTube History
I'm not a wikipedia commentor or editor but I saw this article was lacking on the history of the founding of the company which seems like pretty interesting and important info.

See this time magazine article about the history of youtube here's link —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.125.157.64 (talk) 20:06, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Is it in the article? (not word for word but as a refence.)(58.170.24.143 (talk) 03:02, 8 March 2008 (UTC)) Let me add something in this article that youtube also provides videos sharing on your website. Through this you can add multiple videos upon your website. But the videos that are locked by users can't be shared on your website.

Here are the major examples which you can see about http://www.paktubevideos.com

this website also has some forums which they very well utilized for youtube videos discussion forums

http://forums.paktubevideos.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.82.59.56 (talk) 11:37, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

"Spamming" section full of OR
I would suggest we scrap almost everything in the section on "Spamming", as it is too lengthy to be relevant to the purpose of the site (videos and social networking) and is line after line of unsourced WP:OR. Ironiridis 15:19, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Youtube Quality Tweak
Almost every Youtube user (if not all) have realized how horrible the video qualities are. Almost no matter how high the video quality is before a user uploads the video, it turns bad right when it is uploaded. People want to watch videos with high quality right? Well, fortunately there's a way to make them about 3 times better than the original video was. Explanation:

1. Find a youtube video. 2. Open the video. 3. At the end of the video url, add "&fmt=18" (this is what makes the video quality better) 4. Refresh the page make sure the &fmt=18 is still in the URL, if not, copy and paste the URL with the &fmt=18 at the end into your browser, and enjoy good quality videos.

Example:

1. Regular youtube video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=QSIFvtn1uHA 2. Better quality of same video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=QSIFvtn1uHA&fmt=18

Notice the difference? Enjoy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sortmasivci (talk • contribs) 20:08, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

The creepy video?
I dont know to much about it. Id like to though. Anyone know anything about it and if its worth noting in the wikipedia page. Its that video that was like 2 minuets and it had no ip address and no one knows who uploaded it. Anyone know more about it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Omgtkkyb1992 (talk • contribs) 22:37, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I have any idea what you are talking about. AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 15:16, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

New YouTube Logo?
I don't know if it's just temporary or if it's permanent, but the YouTube logo is different. It has the same style but the rectangle around the "Tube" part looked like a map instesd of being red. Anyone know anything about this? Ogdens (talk) 15:11, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a one off logo. Its only there because today is Earth Day.Samaster1991 (talk) 15:46, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Not to mention it's a Google property. Google usually puts up a special logo for events like this. Pacific Coast Highway {Spring • ahead!} 16:38, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

new logo
Hey, youtubes got a new logo, we should change it from the one Wikipedia has right now —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.126.130.26 (talk) 20:35, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Cost per month and day
~Guys ref number 4 says "YouTube spends roughly $1 million a day" and thats a blog (March 25, 2008,) whilst businessweek gives a in  an article " Current estimates range from $900,000 to $1.5 million per month"	SEPTEMBER 18, 2006Megistias (talk) 22:35, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's CNNMoney.com, the blog is subject to editorial oversight. I'd note that given the exponential growth of youtube over the last several years, its entirely plausible that the the cost of hosting and bandwith rose so significantly. It is the most recent of the two article, from a notable verified source. It should stand. AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 15:22, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * So it went from 12 million per year costs that are losses at the same time to 365 million per year costs that are losses as well?Megistias (talk) 11:17, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about your synthesis - but from the article here it clearly states "'However, delivering all those free video clips isn’t cheap. YouTube sends a staggering 1,000 gigabytes of data every second, or nearly 300 billion GBs each month. Several industry insiders estimate that YouTube spends roughly $1 million a day just to pay for the bandwidth to host the videos. By that number, YouTube downloads would account for roughly 3% of Google’s $11.5 billion operating costs for 2007.'" A cost of operation does not necessarily equal a financial loss. AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 12:54, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Its just that they were not making profits yet as youtube they links say.So they truly spend the 1 mill per day today?Megistias (talk) 13:03, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

CoS circumvents YouTube's TOS.
Please read in the link below how the Scientology has circumvented YouTube's TOS:

http://glosslip.com/2008/04/30/with-enough-money-you-can-circumvent-youtubes-tos-on-banned-accounts/

This needs to be added to the main article to show YouTube's corruption. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.183.106.150 (talk) 17:28, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

YouTube rolls out Scientology double standard

 * Quite an interesting double standard, indeed. Cirt (talk) 14:39, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Quite an interesting double standard, indeed. Cirt (talk) 14:39, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Anyone going to do anything about this on the wiki?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.183.106.150 (talk) 18:19, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Youtube outage?
Is youtube server down for maintaince or something? I cannot see any videos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MidNiteNeko (talk • contribs) 12:39, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, me and a number of friends do not have access to the site. It is apparently completely down; reason unknown--FeanorStar7 (talk) 13:18, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a DNS issue... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.121.114.29 (talk) 13:31, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Is it Pakistan blocking access again?Norgy (talk) 14:26, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thought it was just me. Curious. I doubt this is of any significance to the article though AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 16:18, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * See also: . It looks like there were some technical problems for an hour or so. -- ♦Ian Ma c  M♦  (talk to me) 20:22, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Banned in Turkey again
From "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_YouTube": "On May 05, 2008, YouTube was blocked again by Telekomünikasyon İletişim Başkanlığı, according to the order of Ankara 11. Sulh Ceza Mahkemesi, April 24, 2008 of 2008/468."

And i can confirm because i am in tukey and when i try to visit YouTube i get these: "BU SİTEYE ERİŞİM ENGELLENMİŞTİR Ankara 11. Sulh Ceza Mahkemesi, 24/04/2008 tarih ve 2008/468 nolu kararı gereği bu siteye erişim TELEKOMÜNİKASYON İLETİŞİM BAŞKANLIĞI'nca engellenmiştir. Access to this web site is banned by "TELEKOMÜNİKASYON İLETİŞİM BAŞKANLIĞI" according to the order of: Ankara 11. Sulh Ceza Mahkemesi, 24/04/2008 of 2008/468. Ankara 5. Sulh Ceza Mahkemesi, 30/04/2008 tarih ve 2008/599 nolu kararı gereği bu siteye erişim TELEKOMÜNİKASYON İLETİŞİM BAŞKANLIĞI'nca engellenmiştir. Access to this web site is banned by "TELEKOMÜNİKASYON İLETİŞİM BAŞKANLIĞI" according to the order of: Ankara 5. Sulh Ceza Mahkemesi, 30/04/2008 of 2008/599 ." thanks --MacApp (talk) 13:41, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * screenshots? Altonbr (talk) 13:56, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

YouTube ripping tools
I just incidentally discovered that Real Player offers its own Ripping tool and can play .flv files too. It must've surreptitiously come in an update because it wasn't there via a small box the last time I visited YouTube. I guess it's worth mentioning.

Thanks,

-Alan 24.184.184.177 (talk) 03:47, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * There are numerous downloading tools for YouTube videos but due to the need to avoid advertising and long lists of spam links, the article does not mention any by name. RealPlayer 11 (launched in November 2007) has a tool for downloading and playing FLV files, not only from YouTube.  There are also online tools, eg this one.  There are also standalone FLV players, see Flash Video.  -- ♦Ian Ma c  M♦  (talk to me) 18:30, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

It may be worth noting in the article that YouTube videos can be downloaded for offline use and played on an FLV player. However, there are so many tools for doing this that the external links section has become a spam magnet in the past. What is needed is a form of words which mentions the ability to download videos without getting into a situation where individual products are advertised. -- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 20:50, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

One interesting point is that the use of downloading tools appears to contravene rule 4C of YouTube's terms of service, which states: "You agree not to access User Submissions (defined below) or YouTube Content through any technology or means other than the video playback pages of the Website itself, the YouTube Embeddable Player, or other explicitly authorized means YouTube may designate."

However, since there is (at the time of writing) no DRM preventing the downloading and playing of YouTube's FLV files, it remains a popular way of watching YouTube videos while not connected to the Internet. -- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 13:22, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

High and standard quality videos - which format is YouTube using?
In March 2008 YouTube rolled out is high quality videos (see picture in the article). However, both of the videos in the picture shown in the article are H.263 encoded and the high quality video is not H.264/MPEG-4 AVC as stated at the launch. This may be because H.264 is supported only in the latest version of Adobe Flash Player 9, known as Moviestar. Since there are always plenty of computers without the latest plugins, H.263 represents a safer bet. Also, the sound in the HQ video in the picture is in mono (44100Hz 96kbps MP3 compared to 22050Hz 64kbps in a standard YouTube video). -- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 14:32, 26 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I have removed the part of the article saying that the high quality videos are in H.264/MPEG-4 AVC format with stereo sound. YouTube said that it would be using this format when it launched the HQ videos, but a look at the stream information of the current HQ videos shows that they are H.263 encoded with mono sound. -- ♦Ian Ma c  M♦  (talk to me) 17:21, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


 * After looking into this further, things have become clearer. YouTube's High Quality videos are available in two formats, &fmt=6 and &fmt=18.  First, find a video that is available in High Quality, eg Watermelon Nights at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AexPuBei-Hk .  At this web address, the video plays in the standard YouTube format: 320x240px, H.263 video, MP3 audio, 22050Hz mono.  Adding &fmt=6 to the end of the web address will play the video as follows: 480x360px, H.263 video, MP3 audio, 44100Hz mono.  Adding &fmt=18 to the end of the web address will play the video as follows: 480x360px, H.264 video (MPEG4-AVC), AAC audio, 44100Hz stereo.

One issue that I have run into is that selecting the "watch in high quality" option on the web page brings up the &fmt=6 version. This is despite having a fast connection and the latest Flash plugin which can handle H.264 videos. On its Video Playback Quality settings page, YouTube has three options:


 * Choose my video quality dynamically, based on the current connection speed.
 * I have a slow connection. Never play higher-quality video.
 * I have a fast connection. Always play higher quality video when it's available.

Even after choosing the third option, YouTube was still choosing the &fmt=6 version by default. The only way to get the H.264 version to play was to add &fmt=18 manually to the web address. This is a bit of a nuisance, and it would be interesting to hear how other users have been experiencing YouTube's High Quality videos.

To watch the &fmt=18 version, it is necessary to have the latest version of Adobe Flash Player 9 installed. The best way to check whether the sound is in stereo is to listen on headphones, and the soundtrack of Watermelon Nights is in stereo provided that you are watching the &fmt=18 version. Incidentally, the file sizes of the different versions of Watermelon Nights on YouTube are as follows:


 * standard: 6.27MB
 * &fmt=6: 19.2MB
 * &fmt=18: 11.1MB

There is also a version of Watermelon Nights at http://www.channelfrederator.com/methminute39/episode/TMM_20071206, with the following format: 480x360px, H.263 video, MP3 audio, 44100Hz stereo. The file size is 42.3MB due to the generous video bit rate of 2100kbps. This version has the best video quality.

Some of this will find its way into the article as time permits. -- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 13:42, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I tried adding manually the &fmt=18 setting but it keeps showing me the standard version. And there is no "&fmt=xx" ending in my browser anyway, so i can only guess that i see the &fmt=6 version when i click the HQ option. Charea (talk) 14:48, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The format codes should be added to the address given in the address bar of the browser, which is usually at the top of the screen. To save time, the full links to the High Quality versions are as follows:


 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AexPuBei-Hk&fmt=6 (480x360px H.263 mono)
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AexPuBei-Hk&fmt=18 (480x360px H.264 stereo)

If in doubt, try refreshing the page (often by pressing F5 on the keyboard). -- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 15:07, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Article sequestration
For what purpose are the articles Social impact of YouTube and Criticism of YouTube sequestered away with only a 'Main article' template? The whole purpose of the template is to point out that what follows is a summary of a larger article. There are no summaries at all, and these aspects are simply left out of the article completely. Surely that alone disqualifies this as a good article. Richard001 (talk) 09:11, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * This is a fair point and it would be helpful to have a paragraph giving an overview of these areas. -- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 09:20, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I have added summarize templates to highlight the problem. If either had a decent lead section (which seem to be getting worse and worse on Wikipedia) summarizing would be relatively easy; I might even attempt it myself if that was the case. Hopefully there is someone here who feels some attachment to or responsibility for the article, otherwise it will be going to GAR in a week or so. Richard001 (talk) 10:44, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

✅. -- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 09:24, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

utube.com
utube.com does not point to youtube  munchman  |  talk ; 06:54, 28 May 2008 (UTC)


 * This is true, www.utube.com does not redirect to www.youtube.com. The article does not claim this, although it did say that utube.com is a copycat video sharing site, which is not currently true.  Due to the need to avoid WP:RECENTISM, any statements in the article should be checked to make sure that they are not out of date. -- ♦Ian Ma c  M♦  (talk to me) 11:11, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

"Interactive" Videos
Recently, a video belonging to YouTube user "werneroi" was featured. This video, along with a few others of his, have "interactive" features, which are essentially links to other videos placed on the video window (i.e. "click on this pocket to see a flying credit card" is one). Should something about these be added? 216.236.163.21 (talk) 16:06, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * This seems to be referring to the feature for annotating YouTube videos, which is currently on beta test (see ). This allows speech bubbles with links to be added to videos.  This may be worth a mention in the article.  There is a demo of the annotations feature at . -- ♦Ian Ma c  M♦  (talk to me) 16:37, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I added a section on annotations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Qelery (talk • contribs) 18:27, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Undo
I just looked up utube.com and found out it is an active address. So I apparently misread something or something...And then I deleted the part that said it was an inactive address. And then I messed it up:(... I then tried to restore it but that didn't work. So don't say I vandalized anything. But can someone fix it? Please?Wikimichael22 (talk) 23:31, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * At the moment www.utube.com is showing a basic placeholder page rather than giving a HTTP 404 error, so it has been described as inactive. -- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 06:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you so much for whoever fixed my mistake (my apoligies).Wikimichael22 (talk) 02:42, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

New parameters
It seems quite recently YouTube modified it's standard Width-to-Height Paramaters slightly. The width has remained unchanged at 425 px, however the height has been reduced by 11 px from 355 to 344. I can only guess to attain a better aspect ratio for some or even most videos, it might be trying to have more widescreen-like dimensions, I don't know. And btw, is it worth mentioning that once you embed a YouTube video, as with any other Flash Video site, you can change the dimensions to be whatever you want? Thanks again, -Alan 24.184.184.177 (talk) 14:50, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


 * This seems to refer to the dimensions of embedded YouTube videos, which are 425 x 344px by default, although a person with basic knowledge of HTML could change these values. Since it is a fairly small change, it is not really notable enough for the article. -- ♦Ian Ma c  M♦  (talk to me) 16:36, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

partner videos
i do think this is a very interesting topic link. I cant find enough information on it though but i do think it deserves inclusion.--86.158.200.43 (talk) 21:50, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

"Limited to ten minutes"
The technical details section claims Youtube videos cannot be more than 10 minutes longer. Here is a video that is over 58 minutes long, so that's straightfowardly false. Could a registered user please correct this? If after a certain point in time changes to the site made it impossible to add new longer videos I'd understand, although I'd still thinking a better wording could be suitable. 129.67.53.232 (talk) 22:22, 11 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The statement that uploaded videos are limited to ten minutes is currently correct and verified in the YouTube help section at . This is what it says:

"You can no longer upload videos longer than ten minutes regardless of what type of account you have. Users who had previously been allowed to upload longer content still retain this ability, so you may occasionally see videos that are longer than ten minutes. You can, however, easily change your account type to Director, Comedian, Musician or Guru, which offer a variety of other features like the ability to add a custom logo, tour date information and links to other websites." The ten minute limit was introduced during the early history of YouTube in March 2006 because people were uploading hour long TV shows in one chunk. The article is intended to show that the current rules impose a ten minute limit, so it is not strictly misleading. However, it may be worth mentioning in the article that a longer limit once existed. -- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 06:08, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Especially since this limit not only once did not apply, but still does not apply to sufficiently old users! 129.67.53.232 (talk) 07:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * ✅. -- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 08:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

1$ a Month
1$ million a day must be changed to a month! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nunikasi (talk • contribs) 19:16, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The source cited comes from CNN Money in March 2008 and says:"However, delivering all those free video clips isn’t cheap. YouTube sends a staggering 1,000 gigabytes of data every second, or nearly 300 billion GBs each month. Several industry insiders estimate that YouTube spends roughly $1 million a day just to pay for the bandwidth to host the videos. By that number, YouTube downloads would account for roughly 3% of Google’s $11.5 billion operating costs for 2007." There have been numerous estimates about the money and bandwidth costs incurred by YouTube, and this citation gives a figure that has been widely quoted.  However, it is only an estimate, as YouTube is quite cagey about discussing its running costs. -- ♦Ian Ma c  M♦  (talk to me) 07:15, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

No Mention of YouTube Remixer?
YouTube launched YouTube Remixer about a year ago (June 16th or 17th). I remember the feature going up and briefly playing with it. It doesn't appear to be available anymore and the article doesn't mention it at all. Seems like a worthy note, but I can't find anything on the web about where it is now, if/when it was officially removed, etc.

Matthew Meta (talk) 14:57, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * See the edit at . The YouTube Remixer has been unavailable for some time now, and has been removed from the article. -- ♦Ian Ma c  M♦  (talk to me) 17:14, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

utube.com active again
Can anybody update the utube.com part as its active again?greethings82.174.156.239 (talk) 14:07, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The article has been reworded. -- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 16:35, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

YouTube logo in infobox
The logo has been reverted to the previous SVG version. While this has good quality graphics, it lacks the "Broadcast Yourself" slogan which is the registered trademark of YouTube. The previous version was added because someone on the talk page said that this should be included. What is needed is a good quality version which includes the words "Broadcast Yourself." -- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 06:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * A better quality PNG version of the current YouTube logo has been added to the infobox. As of June 2008, the YouTube logo is usually displayed with the words "Broadcast Yourself" in grey letters underneath, and the article should acknowledge this.  If the SVG version of the logo at  could be edited to include the words "Broadcast Yourself™", it could be used again. -- ♦Ian Ma c  M♦  (talk to me) 08:42, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * As if it was that necessary to selfishly remove the SVG version, which can be edited using freeware, and get it deleted simply because the slogan was not in the logo. If the slogan was required for your satisfaction, you should have let someone see your message on this Talk Page, before you replaced it just two hours after your complaint. Good job. CoolKid1993 (talk) 19:01, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * No need to panic, the SVG version is still available for download here. It can be edited with the freeware Inkscape or another program from the List of vector graphics editors. -- ♦Ian Ma c  M♦  (talk to me) 15:30, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay! Let's try again, shall we?
I've tried to ask this before until someone deleted my question. Once again, should we mention "YouTube poop" in the article? You know what that is, right? 85.228.148.67 (talk) 21:22, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Talk:YouTube/Archive_5 was archived without comment. Any reliable sources discuss it? Gimmetrow 21:37, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * This seems to be referring to the website youtubepoop, which is described as "Video Vandalism & Brain Rape Digital Deconstruction". It offers a collection of links to YouTube videos, but does not seem to be notable enough for the article.  Any further comments are welcome here. -- ♦Ian Ma c  M♦  (talk to me) 06:21, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * What I'm referring to are those vids where they mess up a TV-Show episode or movie, repeat or reverse clips, add stuff from Super Mario, Sonic the Hedgehog or the Legend of Zelda, play sounds faster or slower and sometimes they mess upp the sounds too. THAT'S the youtube poop I'm referring too! 85.228.148.67 (talk) 11:34, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, this is a reference to a mashup, and there are many videos of this kind on YouTube. People often remix videos so that they say things that were not originally intended, and a well-known example of this is the spoof Hitler: Sheffield United Relegated video which has received a good deal of mainstream media coverage.  This video has run into copyright problems because it contains material from the 2004 film Downfall, and has been removed and re-uploaded on many occasions.  The use of spoof remixes is a feature of YouTube, and maybe the article should mention this. -- ♦Ian Ma c  M♦  (talk to me) 12:22, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

The September 2007 copyright clean?
Remember when all of those family guy, futurama and simpsons videos were deleted? Is that mentioned? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.143.13 (Talk) (talk) No - copyrighted videos are deleted all the time. This was nothing special. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.8.250 (talk) 20:56, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Licensing deal struck between e-License, Google and Youtube
On May 20, Japan's 2nd largest copyright management company, e-License "concluded a comprehensive licensing contract with Google for the use of e-License-managed music on Google's YouTube video-sharing site." 

This is GREAT news!! Can someone place this in "Recent Events"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.220.88.154 (talk) 03:56, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

commercial ads o.k.
commecrial advertisement is nolonger banned from what i can tell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdo_wEwBqXo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR71GnQ4CU4

Dragonboyjgh (talk) 02:16, 28 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Commercials are still officially prohibited, although it would be hard to find a well-known television commercial that is not available on YouTube. -- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 06:57, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

what are u talking about what program —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lilchistes (talk • contribs) 17:12, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Viacom court case
I think this article should make some mention of Google's court case with Viacom, which today reached the conclusion that Google must hand over the details of what YouTube users' logs to Viacom so they can determine the scale of copyright infringement there. This decision has been criticised by a number of privacy advocates such as the Electronic Freedom Foundation. Links: BBC, The Guardian, wired.com, EFF. If no one else does so, I will add this to the article myself. Terraxos (talk) 19:54, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


 * This has been added, since it is an important development in the lawsuit. -- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 20:25, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

YouTube in Turkey
This was removed from the article because it is unclear: "Despite of Turkey's rank on the most visited list on Alexa, Turkish version of YouTube didn't launched yet. Telecommunacition ministry of Turkey criticized YouTube for local versions needs to certification of authorizate by the site."

It is true that YouTube does not have a local version in Turkey, but it does not seem to be the result of a disagreement between YouTube and the Turkish government, which would need a reference to a reliable source. It also seems that YouTube is still being blocked in Turkey at the moment, and if this is wrong the article should be updated. -- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 10:35, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * As the newslink it writes;

''The Ankara’s Prosecutor’s Office has sought to expand the scope of this ban by having a worldwide access ban placed on videos deemed offensive by Turkish authorities. Indeed, a person living in Turkey can access censured sites by changing their computer’s proxy settings. Turkish prosecutors also want videos considered insulting to Atatürk to be erased altogether. In order to do this, they want YouTube to open a representative office in Turkey, obtain a security and authorization certificate, all required licenses and become a taxpayer under Turkish law.'' OnurTcontribs 11:58, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * ✅ This has been added to the article. -- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 12:45, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

YouTube at 'versity
Hi! YouTube project also exists on Wikiversity with a main goal to "hunt down" educational videos on fucking YouTube. Join us on the friendliest Wikimedia server! :) --Gbaor (talk) 05:26, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Coding
We should put the coding in for the Streams, so people know how to do that. speaking of that we should put a Streams section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Syntheticalconnections (talk • contribs) 19:40, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

are uploading videos free?
is it? 75.201.187.89 (talk) 00:04, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, nobody needs a paying account to upload or view videos. However, it is not clear whether the article should mention this. -- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 07:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

YouTube's Most Viewed
Here is an odd thing: the all time most viewed chart currently has Avril Lavigne's Girlfriend with more views than Evolution of Dance, but Girlfriend is still in second place. It has been clear for some time that Girlfriend was going to overtake Evolution, but there has also been controversy about automated viewing by some of Lavigne's fans (see article). The article should be updated when things become clearer. -- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 15:15, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The TubeMogul site shows stats graphs of videos. A reference to a statistical review that shows that no autoloader actions are evident in the daily view counts for the video in question should be added. AlpineGZ (talk) 13:23, 2 August 2008 (UTC)


 * This is a good point. Girlfriend was briefly denied the top slot  but things have settled down now and YouTube has allowed the number one position to stand.  A look at the TubeMogul stats does not support the theory of an enormous boost for Girlfriend during June and July 2008, so the article has been adjusted. At the risk of being fussy, it is not clear how accurate the stats given by TubeMogul are, but what matters is that YouTube seems happy with Avril Lavigne in the top slot.-- ♦Ian Ma c  M♦  (talk to me) 14:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

infobox problem
The link for "12 languages" in the infobox is spelled as "Localization," when the subheading has been spelled "Localisation." Can someone please spell it with the "Z" in the subheading, as it is an American-based site that uses American English as the default? 68.174.101.64 (talk) 10:10, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 11:34, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Autoplay for all
today, autoplay was made available on all YouTube channels. This is a big change because previously it was only available to paid partners. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.206.141.226 (talk) 07:20, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * A quick explanation of this. When a video is viewed on YouTube, it should start to play automatically when the page loads. The channel pages are another matter, and embedded videos usually need to be started manually.  The recent change to autoplay for the channels has puzzled and annoyed some users . At the moment it does not seem to be notable enough to mention in the article, but things may change. -- ♦Ian Ma c  M♦  (talk to me) 07:54, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Update: The change did not last for very long. YouTube has gone back to the old system, presumably after numerous complaints from users like the one in the link above. I was unable to find any reliable sourcing about this issue, but will keep looking in case it needs mentioning in the article. -- ♦Ian Ma c  M♦  (talk to me) 19:14, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

About the abysmal audio compression
There's one part in the article that says this:

''In June 2008, YouTube started to apply dynamic range compression to the audio tracks of newly uploaded videos. The processing degrades the sound quality by amplifying quieter parts, including background noise, and causing distortion especially noticeable in music recordings; it has been criticized by Wired to "wreak havoc with songs' dynamic range."''

This seems to have been fixed a couple or so days ago... if you try uploading any videos now, it doesn't seem to have this problem anymore. So this is a bit outdated. TanookiMario257 (talk) 23:20, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


 * One of the things that the article should avoid is covering the latest news from blogs etc (see WP:RECENTISM). The audio quality of YouTube videos is not brilliant, and there have been claims that the sound is overcompressed, eg in the video here. However, since there is a lack of reliable sourcing on this issue, it has been removed from the article for the time being. -- ♦Ian Ma c  M♦  (talk to me) 07:00, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Forced localization and how to escape it?
I visited this article hoping to find a solution, and can't. How do you prevent a link to www.youtube.com from changing to one in your local language? I live in Japan, and if I type www.youtube.com into my browser, I'm automatically redirected to jp.youtube.com whether I want to go there or not, despite that not being what I typed. I can't seem to find any way around this, short of actually hopping on a plane out of Japan. Maybe YouTube senses the user's IP address and redirects automatically? I can read Japanese well enough, but still, when I want to visit a site, I want that site, not some localized substitute. Isn't this a serious problem that deserves discussion? Or is there a simple solution that I'm missing? Heian-794 (talk) 00:05, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * YouTube has changed the system on this recently. In the top left hand corner of the page, next to the YouTube logo, there are drop down boxes for Set Your Country Content Preference and Set Your Language Preference. The article is not a how to manual, but some people may have been puzzled by this change.  -- ♦Ian Ma c  M♦  (talk to me) 07:33, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Outdated Building Photo
The YouTube headquarters photo is outdated. I dropped by there a couple of weeks ago to visit a pal and they are now in this building. I'll try to remember to bring my camera next I'm down there so I can get a shot. William Pietri (talk) 23:57, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for pointing this out. -- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 11:00, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

SHOCKING & GORE CONTENT
This article should mention taht Youtube allows videos from aftermatch of fatal accidents such as here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.skyscrapercity.com%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D501192&page=17&v=U3nJNE8jbUg or here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA0pcAu_ptU

that are not allways flagged and even if they are, the text doesn't explain why it's so. Kids may think they're entering just an erotic video. ...My pregnant sister got really depressed after seeing all those chopped human bodies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.131.137.50 (talk) 13:14, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The video being described here shows the aftermath of the Sknyliv airshow disaster in Ukraine in 2002, in which 85 spectators died when a plane crashed into the crowd. It is flagged as unsuitable for minors due to graphic content. YouTube is generally quick to remove deliberate shock material, but this video does try to take a serious look at a tragic event.  However, caution is advised before watching it. As for article relevance, it is not always practical to mention every video on YouTube that has caused controversy, and the main requirement is usually coverage by mainstream media sources. -- ♦Ian Ma c  M♦  (talk to me) 14:18, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The sentence "This video or group may contain content that is inappropriate for some users, as flagged by YouTube's user community.To view this video or group, please verify you are 18 or older by signing in or signing up." does not warn from seeing chopped human bodies lying in the blood. Youtube should provide fuller descriptions of shocking videos. For me a mother crying after her son's death is shocking already and actually that's what I was prepared for. I didn't expect human meatrolls all over the place. Youtube is turning into ogrish com. Wikipedia article should warn Youtube users like me and my pregnant sister from watching this kind of videos —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.131.137.50 (talk) 14:55, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * YouTube is generally very wary of including material similar to Ogrish or Liveleak. All YouTube videos have a Flag link underneath them for reporting offensive or inappropriate content. This is something that the article could mention (it currently does not), but complaints about specific videos are best dealt with by YouTube itself. -- ♦Ian Ma c  M♦  (talk to me) 15:26, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I think You haven't read my response above. Please, do it. Although it's a good idea to write about the flagging system too. Such paragraph should state that shocking&gore videos aren't always flagged and even if they are, the warning (cited above) doesn't mention the exact cause of "inappriopriance" which may be misleading for many people. This is a justified reason for criticism and Wikipedia article should include it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.131.137.50 (talk) 15:57, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It seems that you have already added this to Criticism of YouTube, and this is an article where this type of question can be covered in more depth. I have added a paragraph to the main article which contains a link to YouTube's Community Guidelines, one of which is:

"YouTube is not a shock site. Don't post gross-out videos of accidents, dead bodies and similar things."

As a general rule, content caution is advised when watching online videos. It is well known that some of them contain disturbing material that would be cut from nightly news broadcasts. It would be unfair to single out YouTube for particular criticism in this area, as this is an issue for all video websites with user generated content. -- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 18:13, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You write like You were Youtube's press officer. You say that it's not fair to criticise Youtube because others do wrong too. Thats ridiculous.
 * Here's my proposal for changes. (You may edit the mistakes as I'm not native English speaker.)
 * "Flagging system.
 * YouTube relies on its users to flag the content of videos as inappropriate so that they could be later removed or displayed with a warning. It happens however that inappropriate films appear without any warning. Another reason for criticism is that the warning doesn't specify the exact reason of "inappriopriance" so that it could be just a partial nudity to very strong gore images similar to those presented at Ogrish or Liveleak portals. In some cases, one can only find it out after watching the content." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.131.137.50 (talk) 19:29, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * A quick disclaimer: I am not YouTube's press officer and do not have any connection with the site. Since this issue has been raised, I looked again at the video of the Sknyliv airshow disaster at . In addition to requiring the viewer to confirm birth date, the infobox at the right of the video states:

"WARNING: This film contains graphic content. Viewer discretion is advised." The video is 7:41 long, and at 2:42 in the video, an on-screen caption reads: "WARNING - Due to the very graphic nature of the following video segment, viewer discretion is advised." Although it is a bit surprising to come across this sort of material on YouTube, it is adequately flagged as likely to be disturbing to some viewers. Also, the fact that the subject matter is a crash at an airshow does lead to the conclusion that dead bodies may be shown. Comments about this from other users would be welcome, as Wikipedia is about consensus. -- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 20:31, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * What is the statement that You don’t agree with?
 * -“(…)It happens however that inappropriate films appear without any warning” – I gave example for that.
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA0pcAu_ptU
 * Besides, you can check it  yourself by searching “funny accidents” where some people actually die or get injured in the video and there is no warning,
 * like here http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=h-eG4Ma6IB4


 * -“ Another reason for criticism is that the warning doesn't specify the exact reason of "inappriopriance" so that it could be just a partial nudity to very strong gore images similar to those presented at Ogrish or Liveleak portals.” – What’s untrue about this one? The warnig that displays before flagged videos doesn’t specify if it’s a girl in panties or human head lying on the ground. Maybe Youtube should change the way they warn to less misleading form.


 * -"In some cases, one can only find it out after watching the content" - You have to admit, that videos aren't always described properly in infobox by users who uploaded them. What is more, the infobox becomes visible while the film starts to play, so that few ppl reads it. Besides, the expression “Warning. Graphic content” is often used in the News but no one would actually expect the Ogrish/Liveleak-style scenes in it. Like me for example.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.131.137.50 (talk) 23:18, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I am not denying that people could come across offensive or inappropriate material in a YouTube video, and this is an ongoing problem for the site. The video Accidents/faces of death does not seem to be notably worse than some other online videos. The real issue here is that YouTube does not view videos before they go online, and relies on self-regulation from its own viewers. It would be wrong to portray YouTube as overflowing with Ogrish/Liveleak material because it is not, and YouTube is very strict about this (probably stricter than it is about copyright). Likewise, anyone looking for hard core porn on YouTube is likely to go away disappointed, because most of the videos promising this are actually Rickrolling stunts. Another common problem is people using YouTube to express intolerant political or religious views, and the people who do this usually have their accounts suspended or terminated. As for the wording of the article, it may be worth noting that some politicians have called for tighter regulation of YouTube, as here from Britain. -- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 07:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


 * A quick update: one of the videos mentioned here showed the death of Tom Pryce and a race marshal at the 1977 South African Grand Prix. The video, which contained graphic content, was here but has been removed due to Terms of Use violation. -- ♦Ian Ma c  M♦  (talk to me) 07:02, 15 September 2008 (UTC)