Talk:You Will/Archives/2012

Irony
"While some of the innovations promised by the ads have materialized, ironically few of them were actually influenced by AT&T."

I fail to see the irony in this statement. Moreover, none of the sources seem to refer to any irony in the way things have turned out. I suggest deleting 'ironically' out of the sentence unless support is provided for it. It is unhelpful and doesn't even make sense to me. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony

Mmurfin (talk) 06:37, 24 November 2009 (UTC)


 * According to the Wikipedia page on Irony that you linked to, "Situational irony is the disparity of intention and result: when the result of an action is contrary to the desired or expected effect." AT&T promises that a new technology will arise, and that they will be the company to pioneer it. The technology does arise, but AT&T is actually not involved in pioneering it. That is ironic. Luvcraft (talk) 00:22, 26 November 2009 (UTC)


 * You forgot the rest of the definition when you copy and pasted it over here. You're missing ": when the result of an action is contrary to the desired or expected effect." Situational Irony would be if after ATT had ran these ads, it somehow had the effect of preventing or significantly delaying these innovations.  For instance if the cost of the ads had taken all the money away from the research of these innovations, THAT would be situation irony.  Simply saying you're going to do something and then failing to do it isn't irony.  In addition to the pointless argument over whether something is ironic or not, is the addition of the word 'ironically' in the sentence actually relevant or indispensable or even helpful in understanding the topic?  Mmurfin (talk) 18:43, 29 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Since there has been no further argument I am removing the word 'ironically' from 3rd and last sentence in the first paragraph. --Mmurfin (talk) 19:38, 31 December 2009 (UTC)