Talk:You and I (Lady Gaga song)/Archive 1

Re: Merge
Should the song be deemed notable at a later date, here is the diff for the previous version of the article before it was merged. I am hoping the article comes back to life in the near future. Feel free to add additional links or details about the song. Thanks! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:31, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Critical Reception
Also add the rolling stones review! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.99.176.94 (talk) 10:22, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Link? -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:50, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that review is of an older version of the song. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 07:27, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you clarify what you mean by "older version"? -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:18, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The version performed on the Oprah Show is the latest version of the song, with complete lyrics et al. Such lyrics or the composition was previously unheard in her live performances of the song, leading critics to believe that the Oprah one is the latest. That doesnot hinder one in adding the old review, but make sure that it is noted somewhere. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 15:21, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the clarification. Is this original research or have you found a source verifying critic's beliefs re: Oprah performance? I have added a few more sources to the article. Any assistance with its expansion would be much appreciated. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:47, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

I added "After hearing the White Tie and Tiara Ball performance" before the Entertainment Weekly review for clarification. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:30, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The MTV reference for the Oprah performance mentions that Gaga performed a new version of the track. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 04:01, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

She sent four tracks from the album. No lie version or anything. Those songs were all confirmed. However, even if you think it is an older version, we should still add that to the article. 119.153.105.84 (talk) 11:54, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Reinhart studio recording
Reinhart's studio recording is now available for purchase as a single on iTunes as well as on the album American Idol Top 5 Season 10 (track 1, 3:19, release date May 5, 2011 via 19 Recordings, Inc.)-- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:09, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It can be included in the article. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 15:32, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Added, though I am not sure how to add a citation. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:26, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, this article claims that the compilation album reached number six on iTunes best-selling digital albums chart. Is this notable? -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:31, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * No iTunes charts are not notable. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 16:36, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. No problem. Feel free to add a citation for the compilation album inclusion and single if you have the ability. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:42, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Should this template be used for the Reinhart single release, or is it reserved for songs that chart or only singles that have been released in a physical format? -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:04, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Lyrics
Should this official link containing lyrics be added to the Ext links section? -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:06, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, it can be. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 05:27, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Idol "performance"

 * http://content.usatoday.com/communities/idolchatter/post/2011/05/lady-gaga-and-enrique-iglesias-sing-for-idol/1
 * http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/blog/2011/05/idol_top_four_r.html

-- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:03, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Radio 1's Big Weekend
Three times now this performance has been added to the article. I removed this content as it appeared there was consensus that details of each performance of this song was unnecessary. If, for some reason, this live performance is worth mentioning, feel free to revert my edits. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:21, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Added again. I will let another contributor decide if this is notable/relevant or not. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:37, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * She did a jazz version of the song, which she hasn't done ever live. Why it won't be notable? — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 03:46, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, I did not know that based on the information that was added to the article. This should be clarified. Thanks for the reply! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 13:38, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Would you be able to provide a link mentioning the jazz version? I went ahead and removed the Radio 1 setlist for now. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:49, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

The current source used to verify the Radio 1 performance does not even mention the song... -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:22, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Use the reference from "Judas" or "Born This Way". Its a Digital Spy one and the song is mentioned. I don't have time. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 15:26, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅. Thanks! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:32, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

the "ü" in "Yoü and I"
The consensus over at the Born This Way talk page is that this does not violate MOS:TM as that policy does not apply to song titles. Robman94 (talk) 20:54, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Merge (revisited)
Folks, this song is not notable, at the present time. The only reason that this article survived AfD is because of several rather flawed arguments and editors that did not appear to understand that Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Until such time as the song charts on a recognized chart (i.e., one that is not listed here), the material in this article should be condensed and merged to a section within the album's article.-- Striker force Talk Review me! 21:51, 17 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Strong keep: This again? There is enough information about this song in reliable, independent sources to warrant its own article. More information will be added to the article following the album's release next week. Let the article continue to grow! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:06, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Looking into your crystal ball, are you? -- Striker force Talk Review me! 22:38, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * You've made your point already. I happen to feel that deleting or merging the article is a waste of time. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:59, 17 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - I'm saying this because it passes WP:N now on a wide margin. And with the information added, its kinda stupid to merge it now in Boen This Way. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 04:20, 18 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Undecided - The article seems to be growing at a rather fast rate... Although the critical reception could use major expansion and the song hasn't charted, the song still seems pretty notable due to multiple live performances by Gaga and American Idol covers (which still constitute as covers). If anything were to happen with the article, i would say to merge it because their is a slight possibility of the page being recreated if it were to chart or become even more notable. Theuhohreo (talk) 19:20, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I change my vote to a Keep. Since the albums release this song has reached the Top 10 of the US iTunes chart. So without crystal-balling here, I really think the song will chart. If a decision has to be made now, i would say to Maybe Redirect because the article will most likely be re-made again. Theuhohreo (talk) 16:51, 25 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep: Works for me now. There are plenty album review pages that mention You & I, so that section could be widely expanded. Now that the album has been leaked, and that it is dropping in less than a week, it will probably chart. --Evengan (talk) 21:36, 18 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep: It doesn't meet the "songs that have been ranked on national charts" guideline, but that's why we use guidelines, not rules on Wikipedia—there are always exceptions, and this is a great example of one. It does meet the "enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article" guideline, as well as the "independently released as a recording by several notable artists" guideline. Entertheinferno (talk) 03:20, 19 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep — Although I agree with the OP to some extent, the article IS well sourced, and I see no problem with it. ℥nding · start 02:48, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge, Delete, Incubate - I would be happy with either one of these. This article still does not warrant its own page.-- CallMe Nathan  •  Talk2Me   13:11, 20 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep: Again? Look, if Mark Wrights article (from The Only Way is Essex) is notable, even though he only has about 3 lines on the entire article, then this is without doubt notable. I just looked at it and there is so much information about the song and so many sources. I don't see anything wrong with it. It's so obvious it will make at least one chart entry next week with the album release because it's had so much coverage. calvin999 (talk) 15:50, 20 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment to all - You are all blatantly ignoring Wikipedia rules out of sole stubbornness. Consensus doesn't give you all the right to bend rules. I am disappointed in the outcome of this discussion. All is being done and said to keep an article that so obviously violates the guidelines set for songs. As said above me, let me know when it will chart and have sufficient coverage in your crystal ball.-- CallMe Nathan  •  Talk2Me   16:13, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
 * There is too much information on this article to merge onto the Born This Way Album article without it being informational. It would be a waste of everyones time and energy to delete the page. And incubating basically has the same effect as deleting as no one can see it or make additions to it in order to make it "notable". Someone asked for a revisited discussion, and people have said Keep in the majority, so you can't really complain about it. calvin999 (talk) 13:12, 21 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep: Looks fine to me. The article is well sourced and has had multiple live performances and coverage. It survived AfD for a reason, just leave it be now. (Paul237 (talk) 10:58, 22 May 2011 (UTC))


 * Keep: Nice article, don't need to go ruin it with a merge. Aleseandro (talk) 02:47, 23 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Strong merge: Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, you guys. Also, it fails WP:NSONGS. Hasn't charted nor won any awards. - Sauloviegas (talk) 22:13, 26 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep The song has enough sources that are specifically about it that I feel it should be kept. WP:NSONGS lists charting and awards as reasons for something to be probably notable, but if there is enough sources regardless of that to make a significantly detailed article, then I feel it meets the necessary requirements of notability. Silver  seren C 23:15, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Sources following album leak/release

 * http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/lady-gagas-born-this-way-a-track-by-track-breakdown-20110518
 * http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/may/18/lady-gaga-born-this-way-review
 * http://www.nj.com/entertainment/music/index.ssf/2011/05/lady_gaga_born_this_way_review.html
 * http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/rockandpopfeatures/8523660/Lady-Gaga-icon-or-just-eye-candy.html
 * http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/album-version-lady-gagas-you-190317
 * http://detnews.com/article/20110521/ENT04/105210304/1424/ENT04/No-slowing-down-on-Lady-Gaga%E2%80%99s-latest
 * http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/05/19/music-us-muttlange-idUKTRE74I84N20110519
 * http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1664409/lady-gaga-born-this-way-reviews.jhtml
 * http://www.billboard.com/news/lady-gaga-born-this-way-track-by-track-review-1005196832.story#/news/lady-gaga-born-this-way-track-by-track-review-1005196832.story
 * http://www.boston.com/ae/music/cd_reviews/articles/2011/05/23/lady_gagas_born_this_way_is_a_long_awaited_letdown/
 * http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/may/23/lady-gaga-born-this-way-review
 * http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/22/arts/music/lady-gaga-has-a-new-album-born-this-way.html?pagewanted=3&_r=3
 * http://www.themarshalltown.com/zine/2011/05/24/review-lady-gaga-born-this-way/
 * http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/music/not_agog_over_gaga_RPmA3Vfx7aNJ2mHECx5oPJ
 * http://thedartmouth.com/2011/05/26/arts/gaga "You and I... could be the most honest Gaga song to date."
 * http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20110526/LIFE/105260317/Lady-Gaga-delivers-goods-new-CD
 * http://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/article.aspx?id=131466&fm=newsmain,nrhl
 * http://www.omaha.com/article/20110531/NEWS01/705319937/0
 * http://www.usmagazine.com/moviestvmusic/news/gaga-the-us-interview-201186.
 * http://www.monitor.co.ug/LifeStyle/Reviews/-/691232/1175490/-/c6ac49/-/
 * http://www.usmagazine.com/moviestvmusic/news/lady-gaga-i-get-emotional-singing-about-ex-201116
 * http://www.seattlepi.com/default/article/Music-Review-Lady-Gaga-Born-This-Way-1409266.php
 * http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/music/sfl-clarence-clemons-recovering-20110613,0,953197.story, dedicated song to Clarence Clemons following stroke
 * http://blog.seattlepi.com/people/2011/06/20/lady-gaga-back-with-luc-carl/ (not sure how relevant this is to this article, but it could help provide context)

Feel free to add more to future article use. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:30, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Additional links added. I also gather that she performed the song on Paul O'Grady show (UK), but I cannot find a news source discussing the performance at this time. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:43, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The O'Grady performance will air on June 17, 2011, so references will be available after that I guess. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 05:07, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Comments
Is it necessary to have both the "Commercial response" and the "Chart performance" section? The information is redundant at this time. Also, someone removed the Merge discussion template at the top, is that okay? I think consensus shows that the article should be kept, but I want to make sure the issue is addressed properly. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:02, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I think removing either will be another headache as this song is evidently charting in US, Canda etc (wait for tomorrow). Same thing happened with "Speechless" and they were separated again. So let's just wait and as for the merge template, its fine. Consensus clearly shows the direction. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 05:43, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for the feedback. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:10, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

It might be worth combining these two sections now that chart details have been released... -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:33, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Still I would say no, short as it may be, info will come as Y&I is still selling strongly in iTunes and Paul Grein will of course notify us of its total sales. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 16:43, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * OK. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:52, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Cover art
Is there any cover art for this song? I'm trying to expand the article, and it would be helpful if she released an official cover art for the song. DAP388 (talk) 01:31, 03 June 2011
 * I don't believe cover art exists since the song has not been released by Gaga as a single. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:50, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Genre...
This song is definitely NOT dance pop. This is pure rock and roll. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.102.34.134 (talk) 21:28, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I have to agree. I would not classify this song as dance pop. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:54, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I added it because it's what the sheet music calls it, although I am beginning to think they label everything as dance-pop (even 1+1!), so feel free to remove it if you disagree. IMO I can see how the beat is a little bit dancey, but whatever... Adabow (talk · contribs) 10:10, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey can anybody please change the genre? I don't know why I can't edit this page when I have an account, but this song is definitely no Rock and roll or country. I mean, rock & roll is Chuck Berry or Elvis Presley from the 50s and this doesn't even come close. A modern rock & roll band is the Baseballs and this song doesn't sound alike. And country neither: Country is more accoustic music and introvert. I would say this song is a rock song or a pop rock song, because it does have a strong guitar base and the solo is done by Brian May in his own style which is rock. Maybe progressive rock too. I hope somebody can change this genre. --AaronvdElzen (talk) 10:55, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

GA nomination
Well done, Legolas! Glad to see this article is now up for GA status, having survived both a deletion nomination and a merge request. The article looks great. Perhaps an image of Brian May? I will check to see if there are any sources posted above that still need to be incorporated into the article. Thanks again for your hard work. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:11, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Kudos to you too AB, for believing in it. I did mostly a rework on the already present content. And I have pretty much used all the content and the urls listed here, except the Detroit News one. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 05:44, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Single
http://www.digitalspy.com/music/news/a331779/lady-gaga-reveals-you-and-i-music-video-details.html : reliable source? -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:26, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, Digital Spy has been used for the release of Rihanna's new single. All that needs to be changed on the article basically the start of the lead and the info box i think, from 'song' to 'single. Calvin  &bull; 9 9 9  00:16, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It was added, but reverted as he wishes to wait for word from the labels/retailers/radio sources. —  Andrew s  talk  05:20, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I did Andrew, but it turns out that Gaga herself confirmed it on a radio show yesterday. I guess we could add it now. Sorry for the inconvenience ;)-- CallMe Nathan  &bull;  Talk2Me   10:34, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Music video
Currently, this section is a wreck. Feel free to post reliable sources/links here for improvement and expansion. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:32, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It's only a wreck because there is no information there, because there is hardly no information about it at all. Just remove the section until there is enough info to make it notable. Calvin  &bull; 9 9 9  23:40, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I cleared the section (prior to reading Calvin999's comment, actually), which contained unsourced and unverified information as well as teaser quotes. Section should be expanded appropriately with reliable information. It sounds like Calvin is in agreement. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:43, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You know that IPs are gonna flood to this article and make all sorts of edits and changes to it. Unfortunately you might have to wait until after this happens to ask for PP. Calvin  &bull; 9 9 9  23:48, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Billboard has a new article where Gaga talks about the vid. Pancake (talk) 23:51, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Genre
Dance-pop? Are you actually shitting me? This song is not dance-pop AT ALL. What idiot put that? 86.147.43.182 (talk) 11:31, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * . — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  23:35, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

The View performance
-- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:22, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/07/26/lady-gaga-performs-on-the-view-next-monday/
 * This source talks about the already-taken-place event. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:35, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Single cover
Gaga recently tweeted the artwork for the song. While one could presume that they are two different single covers, which they most likely are, and use the alternate cover template, note that she ended the tweet with "#You&ISingleCover", not "#You&ISingleCovers". I am about to upload a new version of File:GagaYouIcover.jpg with the dual image and add it back to the article. I think we should leave the image as it was originally posted by Gaga until - and if - further details come out as to whether or not they are separate covers to be used for separate purposes. Again, I do believe that they are separate covers, but right now that's just an assumption which isn't allowed per WP:NOR. –Chase (talk / contribs) 02:40, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Reasonable conclusion. The dual image should remain until one of the covers appear separately in an official publication (i.e. iTunes single release). ►  Scarce  ◄  02:56, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Spot on Chase, love the covers. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 14:15, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

The single cover has been revealed as the image on the left. if you go to http://www.ladygaga.com/youandi/ it is the background image, which i think indicates, it is the image being used to promote the song. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.99.183.190 (talk) 05:38, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * That doesn't mean anything. A CD single or Digital release is the only way to confirm which one. <span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, sans-serif;"> status ϟ talk 01:40, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Was it released?
It says August 23, isn't it earlier? Ofekalef (talk) 17:58, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The single isn't officially released until the 23rd* — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.51.222.170 (talk) 02:51, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Correct, but it is available for download. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 12:29, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Music video leaked (now released by lady gaga)
should we include that the music video was leaked on August 16?--69.116.81.5 (talk) 18:56, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * All this information is coming straight from PerezHilton, a disgusting source. The video looks awesome, though. What a shame it had to leak. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  19:10, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Gaga just posted the music video a few munites ago. can someone update it?--69.116.81.5 (talk) 19:13, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow, you're right. Leaks aren't usually worth mentioning unless it is notable in anyway. Wait a few hours and see how the media reacts. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  19:18, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Australia chart position
Up to No.34 in Australia. Source=ARIA --79.199.44.138 (talk) 09:12, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

UK
No. 70 in the UK http://www.theofficialcharts.com/singles-chart/ --79.199.24.251 (talk) 18:20, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Has been updated by someone else now. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 06:25, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

VMAs
There is no mention of her epic VMA performance of this song. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.99.187.162 (talk) 10:44, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Please see the live performance section. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 11:46, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

German release
Physical release is September 23, 2011. http://www.amazon.de/Yo%C3%BC-I-2-Track-Lady-Gaga/dp/B005JCPIJM/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1314732527&sr=1-1 Digital release is not announced yet! --79.199.44.138 (talk) 19:29, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done --Jnorton7558 (talk) 03:19, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Different states versions
It is my understanding that Gaga recorded a version of this song for pretty much all 50 states. According to this, she has recorded versions for New York, New Jersey, Minnesota, Florida, Texas, Cleveland and California. Where would it be appropriate to mention that? - Jasonbres (talk) 03:22, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry that's nota reliable source for addition. No fansite can be reliable. Try searching newspapers, magazines, reliable music websites, interviews etc. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 11:51, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Here's a more reliable source. Both the NY and NJ versions are on demand at Z100.com. - Jasonbres (talk) 15:48, 2 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Just heard the Atlanta one on the radio, came here to see what the sorry was. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.88.180.226 (talk) 16:48, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * She says OREGON in the one played on the radio up here (in oregon).--71.193.234.191 (talk) 14:17, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * There's a Michigan version as well. It sounds awful cramming the word "Michigan" in the way it is, but that's neither here nor there.DaddyTwoFoot (talk) 00:41, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Fellow editors, yes, it is true that the radio is playing different versions for respective regions, but we need reliabal sources to back up the claims. The Z100 source loks good and the New York and New Jersey radio edits will be added shortly. Thanks! — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  03:11, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, I've been hearing a version of this song on the radio with the word "california" poorly added in. Like the first poster on this topic, I came here to learn more about that.
 * It says Minneapolis in...Minneapolis. Doesn't sound awful either. 75.73.0.154 (talk) 01:16, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

New video version
See this...--NicolásTM (talk) 18:50, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Adult Pop Songs Peak 30
http://www.billboard.com/column/chartbeat#/charts/adult-pop-songs?order=gainer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.245.38.17 (talk) 22:59, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Composition
The song's root chord is A major, but the key signature is D major. This makes the song's key A mixolydian.

Also, the opening chord progression is A-Bm-D if I'm hearing correctly. Corrected.

Oafah (talk) 02:51, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Your original research is unwelcome here. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 02:53, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

As opposed to uncited nonsense that's incorrect to anyone who isn't tone-deaf? Here, let me publish an article on Billboard and then you'll have a source.

Oafah (talk) 02:56, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Please do, then change. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 03:01, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

CD Single
Date: 26 September, 2011 Country: UK Songs: 1. Yoü & I (Wild Beasts Remix) 2. Yoü & I (Metronomy Remix)

Sourse: Universal UK.--NicolásTM (talk) 21:06, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * This is a remix single? — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  21:08, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Mmm no, a 7" Disc.--NicolásTM (talk) 02:31, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * But the album version is not included. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  09:43, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * And? It's a promo single, they have to put it on the article.--NicolásTM (talk) 10:10, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * WP, its a valid copy as Universal UK is Gaga's record company for Britain, Scotland and Ireland. Personally I love a 7" single as I am a collector. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 11:39, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Alright then. Didn't mean any inconvenience. By the way, the iTunes single link redirects to the full BTW LP on iTunes. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:22, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Most recent edits
The most recent edits (9/13) re: chart position change + the remix bundle should be verified. Also, "and" and "&" (see remix bundle section) should be used accurately. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:58, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 09:32, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Japan Hot 100
Debuted Number 8 in Japan HOt 100 in billboard.com It also debuted in Switzerland Thank You — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.192.16.118 (talk) 20:00, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you provide a URL which proves your fact correct? Thanks, — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  20:09, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Source: Billboard.com and Billboard-japan.com Daily news (Japanese)--58.89.209.94 (talk) 00:37, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Japan Hot 100: http://www.billboard.com/#/charts/japan-hot-100 Swiss Top 100: http://hitparade.ch/showitem.asp?interpret=Lady+GaGa&titel=Yo%FC+And+I&cat=s — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.137.94.147 (talk) 01:53, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 09:32, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Second Fashion Film
You and I's second fashion film has been released — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.153.22.217 (talk) 07:23, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 09:32, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Gold
You And I is Gold in Australia... Source = ARIA

Please add! --79.199.62.117 (talk) 11:45, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Not done. The certification link is not updated yet. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 09:32, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

New peak in Ireland Nº33
http://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.jsp?c=p%2Fmusicvideo%2Fmusic%2Farchive%2Findex_test.jsp&ct=240001&arch=t&lyr=2011&year=2011&week=37 New peak in Ireland Nº33 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.137.94.147 (talk) 03:08, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 09:32, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

New peaks in: Switzerland, Slovakia, and US ADult Pop Songs and Dance Club. Debut in Austria
Switzerland and Austria: http://www.australian-charts.com/showitem.asp?interpret=Lady+GaGa&titel=Yo%FC+And+I&cat=s Slovakia: http://www.ifpicr.cz/hitparadask/index.php?a=titul&hitparada=18&titul=146658&sec=85a2d75b05c71c54b35a03b5b09c5f35 Us: www.billboard.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.192.16.118 (talk) 14:10, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 09:32, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Czech Radio Debut
http://www.ifpicr.cz/hitparada/index.php?a=titul&hitparada=2&titul=149596&sec=e29baa7dba6955e944cf314cdf8ef5b0 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.137.94.147 (talk) 03:07, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 09:32, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Paak SLovakia 18
http://www.ifpicr.cz/hitparadask/index.php?a=titul&hitparada=18&titul=146658&sec=85a2d75b05c71c54b35a03b5b09c5f35

Gold in Australia
http://www.ariacharts.com.au/pages/charts_display_singles.asp?chart=1U50 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.137.94.147 (talk) 17:03, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Done Afrazrasheed (talk) 16:06, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Scotland Peak 21
http://www.theofficialcharts.com/archive-chart/_/22/2011-09-24/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.137.94.147 (talk) 23:56, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Done Afrazrasheed (talk) 16:06, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

New Peak in IRELAND
http://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.jsp?c=p%2Fmusicvideo%2Fmusic%2Farchive%2Findex_test.jsp&ct=240001&arch=t&lyr=2011&year=2011&week=40

Besides you have to change the peak in Scotland (21) and is GOLD in Australia

Done Afrazrasheed (talk) 16:04, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

New Croatian peak (3)
Yoü and I went number three in Croatia. http://www.hrt.hr/index.php?id=323&tx_ttnews%5Bcat%5D=356&cHash=c59c3d3d08 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.137.103.36 (talk) 15:23, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Requested move
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 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: page moved. Noting that the page was at this name before a contested move. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:51, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Yoü and I → You and I (Lady Gaga song) – The umlaut in the song title is purely decorative. Also, ghits favor the non-stylized title (225,000,000 results for "you and i"; 53,100,000 results for "yoü and i"). –Chase (talk / contribs) 19:54, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose — The iTunes Store recognizes this as a proper spelling, not a stylization. Same as Vevo, all cover art and Born This Way liner notes. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  20:12, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Everything you are referring to is stylized. The point is that the song's name is "You and I" and it's spelled decoratively. –Chase (talk / contribs) 22:00, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I have changed my vote to neutral because I have realized that although Lady Gaga uses the umlaut, she has never suggested that this is actually part of the name. The majority of sources do not use the symbol (ü), but that could be because of keyboard capabilities. But policies seem to be against me. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:48, 20 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - per Wikipedian Penguin. Plus, it's the name of the song, that is how Gaga wants it to be, otherwise it wouldn't be spelt like that. You can't rename songs, it doesn't work like that. It's like saying that you want Rihanna's Only Girl (In the World) to be Only Girl in the World. And the search results have nothing to do with it, especially because you have used google.com, which is the American default, meaning that an extremely miniscule percentage of people in America are going to spell it the German way (I'm assuming the ü is German) as they more than likely don't know the shortcut, and would have google 'you and i' for it to display 'yoü and i' to copy and paste it anyway. Calvin  • Na Na Na C'mon!  20:45, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm aware that consensus has found that MOS:TM doesn't apply to songs, but I would think that this statement - "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules, even if the trademark owner considers nonstandard formatting 'official'" - would be a good general rule for most article titles (and we have done this with films, albums, and even musical artists' stage names). And ghits have to do with how many results there are on the web, not how many people searched for something. –Chase (talk / contribs) 22:00, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - I agree that its just decorative and doesn't have enough of a reason to include in the title. I would agree to on the first line of the lead listing "written or stylized as Yoü and I" after the title. Also, there are many "You and I"'s in general, so I think it would benefit from having it as Lady Gaga song.-- CallMe Nathan  •  Talk2Me   21:08, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: Per Article titles, "Characters not on a standard keyboard (use redirects): Sometimes the most appropriate title will contain diacritics (accent marks), dashes, or other letters and characters not found on most English-language keyboards. This can make it difficult to navigate to the article directly. In such cases, provide redirects from versions of the title that use only standard keyboard characters." This has been done. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:11, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment – I'd like to add that the song is legally registered under the title "You and I". –Chase (talk / contribs) 22:09, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. By far the common name and also follows our standard practice of not having decorative titles. Jenks24 (talk) 07:00, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. This diacritic is just a frivolous nuisance; and we definitely should have those extra words for clear specificity. Think of the poor reader! As I often find myself saying at these RMs, who benefits if such crucial information is omitted? No one, except perhaps those wanting spartan bare-minimum titles at any cost. N oetica Tea? 12:30, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Although I've disagreed with you a bit recently, Noetica, I think we can definitely agree here that, at the very least, "(Lady Gaga song)" should be added to the title. Jenks24 (talk) 14:33, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I counted up the votes and it looks like the issue could be decided by the sarcastic Noetica vote above. Now that I have actually listened to the song, I must say that the umlaut is more interesting than the mermaid-bondage-cornfield-whatever thing that Gaga has going on there. Kauffner (talk) 18:40, 15 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose. The umlaut is given in the liner notes and you can buy the song under this title from iTunes and from Amazon. It is also useful for disambiguating this song from the various other songs named "You And I". To give this song a parenthetical disambiguator makes the reader wonder, "Why does this song have stuff in parenthesis and not other songs?" That's not what we want them to be thinking. AP gives the title with an umlaut, although I assume this is a mistake since AP style is to remove diacritics. Kauffner (talk) 13:23, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It is not useful for disambiguation, because the majority of reliable sources do not use the umlaut and therefore most readers will not know to type the umlaut into their search (if they are even able to). Jenks24 (talk) 14:31, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * If two songs have the same or similar titles, that remains true regardless of what article titles we choose. That type disambiguation is handled with hatnotes and DAB pages. I meant only that we cannot give two song articles diacritics-free "You And I" titles because Wiki software needs a way to distinguish between them. Kauffner (talk) 04:43, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Support – This is no different from Kesha, or Pink (singer). — Status  &#x7B;talk<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex;">contribs 05:09, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Unlike the "!" in Pink's name or the "$" in Kesha's name, the "u" umlaut is an actual diacratic symbol (letter). It may not change the pronunciation, but we do not change I'm a Slave 4 U to "I'm a Slave For You".<b style="color:blue;">|</b> <sup style="color:black;">help <sub style="margin-left:-3.8ex; color:black;">dןǝɥ  <b style="color:blue;">|</b> 16:26, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * But the "actual diacratic symbol" is being used purely for stylistic reasons. The song is even legally registered without the umlaut. In the case of the Britney Spears song, that is not stylization, but rather SMS language. (And on a sidenote, the song is legally titled "I'm a Slave 4 U"). –Chase (talk / contribs) 18:59, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * And again WP:COMMONNAME would apply for that as well; "i'm a slave 4 u" has more ghits than "i'm a slave for you" –Chase (talk / contribs) 19:13, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Somehow, I don't think that You and I (Lady Gaga song) is either a legal name or the version of the title that gets the most ghits. The "legal name" given on the BMI site is all-caps, so Beethoven's "Pathétique Sonata" is given as "PATHETIQUE SONATA." Kauffner (talk) 19:44, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * "(Lady Gaga song)" is there for disambiguation purposes. There are many "You and I" songs that have articles here on Wikipedia so titling it simply "You and I" would be inappropriate. –Chase (talk / contribs) 22:34, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * A parenthetical disambiguator should be used only if natural disambiguation is "not possible", according to WP:PRECISION. Also: "Titles of distinct articles may differ only in their detail." The guideline gives capital vs lower case as an example of this. That's even more subtle than using an umlaut. Kauffner (talk) 12:00, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, but our standard practice for article titles is not to include decoration. Especially when the song is more referred to by reliable sources by its non-decorated title. –Chase (talk / contribs) 22:53, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Support. There's no way that the diacritic is a satisfactory disambiguation. Andrewa (talk) 01:25, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Umlaut is purely decorative; our usual policy is to style such titles as ordinary English. Moreover, it appears that more reliable sources use the non-decorated title. -GTBacchus(talk) 17:20, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

New Peaks!!
Scotland (Peak 18) http://www.theofficialcharts.com/scottish-singles-chart/ Austria (Peak 8) http://austriancharts.at/showitem.asp?interpret=Lady+GaGa&titel=Yo%FC+And+I&cat=s Czech Republic (Peak 44) http://www.ifpicr.cz/hitparada/index.php?a=titul&hitparada=2&titul=149596&sec=e29baa7dba6955e944cf314cdf8ef5b0 Croatian Airplay Chart (Peak 3) http://www.hrt.hr/index.php?id=323&tx_ttnews%5Bcat%5D=356&cHash=c59c3d3d08 US Latin Pop Songs (Peak 36) http://www.billboard.com/#/charts/latin-pop-songs?order=gainer US Adult Pop Songs (Peak 10)

Thanks!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.192.16.118 (talk) 13:45, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Introduction
There should be four introductory paragraphs of this article like in all other Born This Way articles. A live performance paragraph is missing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.153.28.186 (talk) 10:13, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No, per WP:LEAD, it's perfect. The first paragraph combines live performance info. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  10:28, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Cover
This single has two cover, and there is only one! Please add a second cover. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GalaKapanadze (talk • contribs) 12:11, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Give an example of when the other cover has been used. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:09, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Lady Gaga's Album The Remix and The Fame Monster =)) when the two cover should see both, not one =)) GalaKapanadze (talk) 19:01, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol, I'm talking about the other cover of Yoü and I. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  19:03, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Look here, =)) GalaKapanadze (talk) 19:07, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Once again, I'm talking about a specific example, so give me a link to a place where I can buy a CD with the other cover. No Vinyls or compact disc singles use the cover you are talking about, to my knowledge. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  19:14, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, I do not see any other cover =)) I wonder why something is not another album Born This Way The second cover? GalaKapanadze (talk) 19:26, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It fails WP:NFCC in the sense that that cover is just a close-up of the standard one. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  20:09, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

CZECH REPUBLIC NEW PEAK OF 26
http://www.ifpicr.cz/hitparada/index.php?a=titul&hitparada=2&titul=149596&sec=e29baa7dba6955e944cf314cdf8ef5b0 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.115.253.222 (talk) 02:37, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

New Peak Adult Contemporary Billboard! Nº 24
http://www.billboard.com/#/charts/adult-contemporary?order=gainer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.137.94.147 (talk) 01:50, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Glee
Heads up -- I believe the song will be performed on tonight's episode of Glee. This should be added to the Cover versions section once confirmed. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:01, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes of course AB. You do the honors! — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 15:05, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅. Thanks for the reminder. Feel free to expand/edit. I am not sure when chart figures are released, but I will check back here to see if the cover charted. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:12, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

You have to change the peak of The adult Contemporary.
THe link is in the previous post — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.137.94.147 (talk) 23:04, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Reception
I found more reviews for the video but I can't add them because this page is protected. Can someone please add them? Thanks.
 * http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/08/lady_gaga_you_and_i_video.html
 * http://www.longislandpress.com/2011/08/17/lady-gaga-you-and-i-video/
 * http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/02/lady-gaga-music-video-you-and-i_n_946876.html
 * http://www.okmagazine.com/videos/watch-lady-gagas-you-i-music-video-premiere
 * http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/celebritology/post/lady-gaga-her-you-and-i-video-is-online/2011/08/16/gIQAwBPjJJ_blog.html
 * http://content.usatoday.com/communities/entertainment/post/2011/08/video-lady-gagas-a-mermaid-in-you-and-i/1
 * http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1669309/lady-gaga-you-and-i-pop-references.jhtml
 * http://www.dose.ca/Premieres+Early+Watch+Lady+Gaga+Make+With+Herself/5262814/story.html

With so much info, I think the video for this song can have a separate article. 77.28.227.67 (talk) 23:43, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow, great research my friend. They will all be eventually added. Once again, thank you very much. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:47, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Genre
This is NOT a Rock & Roll OR Country Music song! honestly, it is Pop Rock. every time i edit it to Pop Rock, it changes back to the former two genres a short while later! This irritates me. it is ABSOLUTELY NOT A COUNTRY SONG. Country would be more like Taylor Swift or Toby Keith. please fix this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.175.77.59 (talk) 03:22, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, this isn't a pop rock song --Christianrxx (talk) 03:28, 28 February 2012 (UTC)Christianrxx

Usa certification
Here in article says that You and I sold 1 million copies in U.S.A but there is no Usa Platinum cerfification.Please change!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.201.186.7 (talk) 17:12, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Elizabeth Gillies' cover
Is Elizabeth Gillies' cover notable enough to be mentioned in this article? --Fladoodle (talk) 01:18, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Revert
I reverted two edits which contained the following text: "The video features a number of characters portrayed by Gaga, who arguably can be alter egos for the singer. They are:
 * Bride, who is the first to be seen in the video, traveling the roads of Nebraska to reunite with her lost love.
 * Yuyi, the mermaid, who is the victim of many attempts by her lover to "fix" her.
 * Nymph, who first appears at the cornfield-surrounded piano. She later is involved in a dance sequence with other "nymphs."
 * Jo Calderone, who viewers first catch a glimpse of sitting on the piano played by Nymph. He is considerably the most important of the few, as fans were first introduced to him when he underwent a photoshoot and interview with Vogue Hommes Japan. Gaga doned the look again at the 2011 MTV Video Music Awards, where she not only performed as him, but displayed his mannerisms the entire ceremony. Jo claimed that Gaga was not in attendance throughout the evening, such as when he accepted her award for Best Female Video."

I bring this to the talk page in case any of this information should be added to the article. I revered the edits because the information was unsourced and not written in prose. Feel free to discuss. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:54, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Genre...again
I'm not here to argue what or what isn't the genre of this song, but we have to follow WP:RS. Having a song be whatever-"influenced" is not strong enough of a cite. It's perfectly alright to state this in the article, but not acceptable to call it the genre. Andrzejbanas (talk) 23:21, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Removing country also then, as it is also cited as being "influenced"... — Statυs  ( talk,  contribs ) 23:35, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I saw critical reception section that says "bigger, bolder and less quirkily emotive, a custom-built radio rock ballad to induce hand claps in packed stadiums. This is not music for the underground: it is cheesy, high-gloss, pop rock for the mainstream middle, a kind of instant Eighties retro classic to seduce middle-aged rockers – possibly the last demographic to remain sceptical about her appeal." 183.171.179.194 (talk) 07:58, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Video screencap up for deletion
The video screen capture from this article is up for deletion as failing WP:NFCC #8. Please see Files_for_deletion/2014_November_19 for details. -mattbuck (Talk) 09:44, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Category:Songs which sample or interpolate other songs
The article was removed from Category:Songs which sample or interpolate other songs, yet the second sentence of the lead specifically says "'You and I' samples Queen's 'We Will Rock You'..." Seems the category fits, right? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:04, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
 * ...and later, the article says "...a stomping beat sampled from "We Will Rock You"..." --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:09, 7 February 2015 (UTC)