Talk:Young ACT

Disclosure
In the interests of full disclosure, multiple ACT on Campus members will be editing this article over the coming weeks as part of a project that we're working on to get more of our history online on to both our own website and Wikipedia. While we realise it's not ideal for people inside an organisation to be too involved in their own wikipedia page, beacause of the nature of our organisation and the time periods, much of the information is only currently known to insiders.

Long story short, we understand the importance of maintaining a NPOV and providing sources, particularly on political articles. We'll do our best to do so, so please don't be too harsh with edits while we in the middle of the process and haven't finished updates, and we'll welcome others going over the article when we're finished to make sure we've done so!

Peteremcc (talk) 13:52, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

RE: Ideology citation - I don't see any other organisation requiring a citation for their ideology, i'd have thought the topics of the 'campaigns section' would suffice (incomplete as they are at the moment). See above for info on referencing/citations for the rest of the article which is coming.

Peteremcc (talk) 13:59, 21 October 2010 (UTC)


 * That's fine. There is an under construction tag somewhere since most people don't check how new article is. Note that many groups have been deleted for lack of reliable sources (besides own web pages), so good to find news articles, etc, mentioning group, ASAP, including some ref its libertarian; hopefully on more than a few economic issues. Does NZ have a military draft, by the way? :-) CarolMooreDC (talk) 14:30, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Searching for and improving citations
The article as of 17 December 2019 had only one reference which mentioned this organisation, and that document was a brief mention in a press release. All statements in the article about Young ACT (eg as opposed to facts about legislation) were unsourced. Further, there wasn't enough evidence to demonstrate notability.

Below is my work to find independent significant coverage and evidence of the facts in the article. If we can't find citations providing independent, significant coverage, this should be considered for deletion (or merging with the article on the ACT party). HenryCrun15 (talk) 04:05, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Searching in Stuff
Articles crossed out if I have incorporated them into the article. Searched for "Young ACT". 12 results. Possibly relevant results include: Searched for "ACT On Campus". 22 results. Possibly relevant results include: Searched for Prebble's Rebels. 6 hits. None relevant.
 * [] mentions Young ACT briefly - "The [Facebook] group David Seymour Memes For Over-taxed Liberal Teens was formerly called Youth For Seymour. Its admins are Young ACT members and the group posts regularly about upcoming ACT events, but Seymour says he has no connection with the group and didn't start it."
 * [] mentions "young ACT" in passing - ""At Back Benches you had young ACT arguing with young Greens... there were people on polar opposites having a pint together at the Backbencher," he said."
 * [] Pretty detailed article in which "ACT's youth division caused online outrage after it posted a quote comparing compulsory union membership to gang rape."
 * [] Another article on same issue as above.
 * [] Separate incident to the above, in which the vice-president of ACT on Campus told a woman to "get raped".
 * [] Summary of ACT on Campues being referred to police by the Electoral Commission "over it's 'not your typical party' flyer, baseball caps and t-shirts." Same material also in [].
 * [] ACT on Campus members attending a VUWSA meeting in mass to get VUWSA to support the Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment bill.
 * [] Notes that David Semour was charman of ACT on Campus.
 * [] Banks thanked ACT on Campus after his election. Article says they are known as "killer bees" due to their yellow shirts.
 * [] Passing mention in opinion piece - "Even on election night last year Mr Banks seemed conscious of the need to promote new blood in the party, repeatedly singing the praises of ACT on Campus."
 * [] Opinion piece? Another passing mention, slightly more specific - "After a year of self-sabotage, it's time to rebrand – and for that, Act may even borrow from a South Auckland street gang. The Act on Campus yellow-shirts – nicknamed the "Killer Bees" – have flanked Banks throughout his campaign and, said Seymour, show there's a future beyond John Archibald Banks, 64, and Donald Thomas Brash, 72."
 * [] Some quotes from an ACT on Campus vice-chair on the voluntary student union membership.
 * [] More information on the "gang rape" analogy and later consequences.
 * [] Passing mention that ACT on Campus supported marriage equality bill.
 * [] Passing mention; "ACT on Campus [handed] out free Double Downs across the country, on the grounds that the burger is "a symbol of the freedom of choice all New Zealanders should enjoy"."
 * [] ACT On Campus vice-president (McCaffrey) comments on VUWSA donating to university to help with new buildings.
 * [] More comments (or same comments) from McCaffrey on voluntary membership.
 * [] Called for a student president to resign over insulting message (including "cunt") to Roger Douglas.
 * [] Article not about ACT on Campus, but is opinion written by Hayden Fitzgerald. Article ends with the paper-added "Hayden Fitzgerald is a business student at Massey University, the president of ACT on Campus and an ACT Party board member." so provides info on who has been president and a relationship between ACT on Campus and ACT Party.
 * [] More confirmation and details that Seymour was in ACT on Campus.
 * [] Information on Keep it 18 campaign and ACT on Campus's involvement in it.

Searching in RNZ
Searched for "Young ACT". 4 hits. Searched for "ACT on Campus". 6 hits. Search for Prebble's Rebels. No hits.
 * [] - ACT on Campus promotional stunt with condoms. Short article but clear.
 * [] Audio file on party pills (BZP) for membership. Sounds useful.
 * [] Another audio article on the BZP stunt/promotion.
 * [] Another article about cross-youth-wing suport of 18 drinking age (this one from 2010). Brief.
 * [] Another brief drinking age article.

Searching in NZ Herald
Searched for "Young ACT". Site breaks. NZ Herald's search function doesn't like quotation marks I think.

Search for Young ACT. Far too many irrelevant hits.

Search in Google: "young act" site:https://www.nzherald.co.nz/. 23 results.
 * [] VSM to gang-rape - highly similar article to ones on Stuff.
 * [] More information on BZP promotion.

Searched for Act on Campus. Too many irrelevant results.

Searched in Google: "act on campus" site:https://www.nzherald.co.nz/. 26 results.
 * [] Editorial with some factual reporting on the ACT on Campus's push to get VUWSA to vote in support of VSM.
 * [] ACT on Campus member and party candidate quits over leader's public comments.
 * [] John Banks saying that ACT on Campus won't like all of his policies.
 * [] Presence at a 2011 electoral debate.
 * [] Marriage equality - looks very similar to other articles.
 * [] Editorial? in which Roger Douglas is asked about the BZP promotion.
 * [] ACT on Campus rallied against Earth Hour.
 * [] On drinking age, shows ACT Party leader (at least initially) going against ACT on Campus views.
 * [] "Last week the Keep it 18 campaign was launched...Keep it 18 spokesman Christopher Bishop said..."
 * [] ACT on Campus opposed a spy bill supported by ACT Party leader.

Searched for Prebble's Rebels. No hits. Searched in Google: prebble's rebels site:https://www.nzherald.co.nz/. 25 hits.
 * []. Passing mention in an article about Labour MP Marian Hobbs: "Prebble, who she beat in Wellington Central, regularly guns for Hobbs inside and outside the House. Right now, adorning the lampposts down Bowen St and Lambton Quay are posters - attributed to Prebble's Rebels - sporting a photo of Hobbs' head on a fat, furry body. They are headlined: "Who's the fifth Teletubby? Answer: Booboo.""

Searching in Spinoff
Searched for Young Act. No relevant hits, apart from [] and [] which each make reference to a group called "Young ACT".

Searched for act on campus. No relevant hits.

Searching Newshub
Searching in Google: "young act" site:https://www.newshub.co.nz/. 1 hit:
 * [] More on 'get raped' incident.

Searching in Google: "act on campus" site:https://www.newshub.co.nz/.
 * [] "ACT on Campus slams Banks over drinking age vote" - looks useful
 * [] Another article on AoC's call for student president to resign.
 * [] Student president alleged AoC members assaulted him, damaged a sign.
 * [] More on ACT on Campus's rift vs John Banks over alcohol age. AOC stated they would withdraw support for the party if they didn't get their way.
 * [] Mention in passing - Seymour says "The youth wing have been [handing out condoms] at least since the early 2000s. It's an old ACT on Campus gag around promoting safer sex, but also getting the party's messages across to students."
 * [] More on AoC's opposition to Earth Hour.

Searching in Google: prebble's rebels site:https://www.newshub.co.nz/. 1 hit, not relevant.

Note on findings
The above articles contain a lot of information to verify and expand on the facts of the article. However, a number of key facts still need citations, such as:


 * That the group was founded in 1996
 * That the group was originally called Prebble's Rebels and then ACTivists
 * When the group became ACT on Campus and when it became Young ACT4
 * What its formal relationship is with the ACT Party
 * How active the group is today, such as membership numbers or activities in the last two years
 * Who the group's board are

HenryCrun15 (talk) 03:24, 19 December 2019 (UTC)