Talk:Young Adult Library Services Association

Controversy (former section)

 * ''Evidently this is the former section of the article which generated the following discussion. I have moved it up here from its location between the two subsections (as I have fashioned them). --P64 (talk) 20:38, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

In 2005, the president of YALSA called a certain book "not the most literary," but in 2006 created a new list of ALA-recommended books that where exactly like the book criticized in 2005. "Pam Spencer Holley of the [YALSA said] ... [s]he's happy to see teen girls reading. Eventually, girls who are reading Gossip Girls will move on to better books, she says.  'Unless you read stuff that's perhaps not the most literary, you'll never understand what good works are,' says Holley.  ....  Besides, she says, what's the worst thing that can happen?  'Nobody complains about the adult women who read Harlequin romances.'"   Less than a year later, "[YALSA] ... has announced a list of books to recommend to teens, both avid and reluctant readers, who are looking for books like Cecily von Ziegesar's 'Gossip Girl' series. 'The books on this list are perfect for when your readers have finished with every 'Gossip Girl' title in your library and are clamoring for another book like the Gossip Girl,' said YALSA President Pam Spencer Holley." 
 * Controversy

controversy
I removed the controversy secion. It is unclear from this addition what is controversial about this position. If there is a controversy about YALSA, please explain it and cite it. Otherwise this is just basically saying that YALSA chooses books that are popular as well as literary which isn't really controversial. Jessamyn (talk) 21:33, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, Jessamyn. Some of the controversy is implicit in the article "Racy Reading...."  Why else would the reporter report the way she did.  Some of the controversy is implicit in YALSA recommending books that the year before were substandard.


 * Now I say implicit because it is there, implicitly, in the Racy Reading article, but the main stream media in general has made no mention of a controversy (that I can find) about the ALA recommending racy reading for children that's substandard and besides, YALSA tells us, adults read Harlequin novels anyway, so what's the big diff. This is part of the problem with relying on the MSM.  If the MSM doesn't print it, it doesn't exist.  If the MSM does print it, it must be true.  So other that the implicit controversy in Racy Reading, I have found no other MSM evidence of a controversy.


 * Of course I think the thing speaks for itself - a list of Harlequin noel recommendations for children based on admitted substandard books. But your point is, and I agree, we need wiki-solid proof.  And if the implicit proof combined with the obviousness of the matter does not cut it in the wiki world, then you are correct.  And as this issue is last year, the MSM discussing this is minimal now.  Anyone what to respond? --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling 01:11, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * More to the point, the word racy doesn't imply a controversy except for those who feel that raciness and YA books are somehow totally antithetical to one another. That is, there's an implicit conclusion being drawn that is POV. For something to be controversial it really needs to be noted as a controversy in the media somewhere. YALSA rarely gets such media mention, but if you see any current-ish mentions, please feel free to bring them back here. Jessamyn (talk) 03:40, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

ALA Best Books for Young Adults
ALA Best Books for Young Adults is a redirect to this article, yet there is occurrence of the word best, much less that honor.

ALA may recognize Best Fiction and Best Non-fiction, after more than forty years of Best Books through 2010.
 * Best Books for Young Adults at ALA

Selections from Brief History of the Young Adult Services Division (ALA):
 * "... the most active was the Book Selection Committee. This committee started preparing annual lists of _Best Books for Young Adults_ (although the name was not the same, having evolved over the years from _Significant Adult Books for Teens_ and _Interesting Books_) in 1952. In 1954, the list was first reprinted, from TOP OF THE NEWS and BOOKLIST, for membership distribution and promotion. The next year it was decided that reprinting the list was a good thing, and it has been reprinted, sold and distributed ever since then.
 * "In 1975, YASD sponsored its fourth preconference at San Francisco called _Book You._ The participants analyzed and discussed the past 15 years of _Best Books for Young Adults_ lists to come up with a new retrospective list of old and new titles called _Best of the Best: Still Alive in 1975._"

--P64 (talk) 19:02, 13 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Best Books for Young Adults, second edition, Betty Carter with Sally Estes and Linda Waddle, YALSA, ALA, 2000. ISBN 0-838-93501-X
 * —says that the first edition (by Carter alone, 1994) includes much more coverage of history, procedure, controversy. (There has been a third edition, 2007.)
 * This second edition dedicates only pages 1-13 to "Part One: Background", before the lists begin. This edition provides thematic lists selected by the editors (Adventure, Animals, etc); lists all 1966 to 1999 winners in two ways, by author and year; and reproduces four official multi-year best-of-the-best lists, ranging in scope from 1960-1974 to 1967-1992.
 * According to this source,
 * currently (since when?) the "Best Books" list comprises all nominated books that score at least 9 approvals by 15 committee members (yes/no vote, evidently); the "Top Ten Best" do not all score 15 of 15
 * "Top Ten Best Books for Young Adults" dates from 1997 —so YALSA online BBYA lists is complete for Top Tens
 * the number of Best Books peaked at 97 in 1993, which "provoked strong discussion", followed by 70 to 84 books annually during 1994-1999
 * there were 27 Best Books in 1966; 39 in 1976; 69 in 1986 (manual counts of lists reproduced in the book); 80 in 1986 (according to Carter)
 * before 1973, only "adult books" (as marketed) were eligible. Books marketed for "young adults" have been considered since then and now constitute a majority of the selections. Meanwhile the marketing category has changed (mainly between the 1994 and 2000 first and second editions) to include more books oriented to older teens.
 * ten committees have selected the lists under seven listnames
 * "Books for Young People, 1930" is the original precursor
 * --P64 (talk) 20:38, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * There are 99 books on the latest of those four official multi-year best-of-the-best lists, namely 1967-1992 —pages 190-91, by my count; 100 seems likely in fact. Order of magnitude: one in ten of the annual BBYA. And certainly WP:Notable, which I doubt regarding the long annual lists.
 * That list doesn't give any data but author and title, not even year. Like all lists reproduced here, it is entirely alphabetical by author. Contrast the lists reproduced by YALSA online: BBYA from 1996 to 2010: subdivided Nonfiction and Fiction, with some bibliog data.
 * Online YALSA recommends the third edition
 * Best Books for Young Adults, 3rd Edition. 2007. 376p. ISBN 978-0-8389-3569-9 $37.50 ALA Members; $42 Nonmembers. (Edited by Holly Koelling with a foreword by Betty Carter, editor of the first two editions.) --P64 (talk) 18:12, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

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