Talk:Young Frankenstein (musical)

Musical numbers
Since songs are added and deleted throughout the development stage, isn't it premature to list the musical numbers that will be included in the show? ConoscoTutto 14:02, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Since nobody responded to the above post, I am removing the Musical Numbers section. Once the show opens the correct list of songs can be added. ConoscoTutto 13:47, 28 July 2007 (UTC)


 * A new song list has been added, but in my opinion it should have a reliable verifiable source (a newspaper would be fine). I understand the show opens tonight, so a list might well be available, but as it stands now this does not seem to me to meet the standards of . Thank you, JeanColumbia 18:57, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I listed the songs as they appeared in Playbill after seeing the show in previews on Oct. 24. The names of some songs were shortened from the earlier version.  "Sweet Mystery of Life" was not listed in Playbill (although the few lyrics were sung)Americasroof 02:56, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Another song list
An editor has added a song list; I find no source for this list. My comments (above) still stand for this new list, I don't think it necessary to repeat the reference to the Wikipedia requirements/standards for Verifiability. And, echoing the concerns of ConoscoTutto above, without verification, it is my opinion that the song list should be removed. JeanColumbia 12:22, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I will give this citation, however, as I think it pertinent and explains what actions to take without being arbitrary:

"The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged should be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation.[1] The source should be cited clearly and precisely to enable readers to find the text that supports the article content in question....Any edit lacking a source may be removed, but editors may object if you remove material without giving them a chance to provide references. If you want to request a source for an unsourced statement, consider moving it to the talk page..." 


 * I think any addition of a song list (especially one that hasn't been verified) is premature, since many changes can occur during the out-of-town tryout, so I am removing it. ConoscoTutto 17:05, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Another song list has been added, (on August 13, 22:05) referenced with a blog and a talk forum (broadwayworld.com). I was aware of both of those references (to use the term loosely) but did not think they met. Since a respected (to me) editor put in this song list, I shall defer and remove myself from further discussion on this point.JeanColumbia 09:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Synopsis
Since the show is still in the development stage, where did this synopsis come from? Can it be referenced to a reliable source? Or is it just a summary of the original film's plot? ConoscoTutto 13:52, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hm, good point, perhaps a newspaper review will be forthcoming shortly. JeanColumbia 18:58, 7 August 2007 (UTC) ADD: I added a playbill.com reference to the synopsis section, the playbill.com article has a brief summary of the plot, although not as detailed as what is in the article.JeanColumbia 11:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The detailed summary here appears to be from the film. Referencing the Playbill.com article cited by JeanColumbia, I am deleting most of it because, like a song list, many changes can occur before opening night. ConoscoTutto 17:05, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

The references given for the song list and synopsis are the best currently available because newspapers will not review the tryout until the "official" opening. There is nothing controversial in the song list, which is copied from the show's program by people who attendeed the tryouts. I would replace the synopsis that is here now, which is copied from the producer's website, with information summarized from the sources cited, since the information from the producer's website is copyrighted and unencyclopedic. Again, this can be adjusted once more prestigious sources are available. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 20:45, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Plot synopsis--I put together a plot synopsis from a few Seattle reviews, since the previous one may have been a copy vio. as Ssilvers pointed out. (My edit summary was incorrect-the previous synopsis is from the Official site, altho' repeated on playbill.com.)We still don't have a complete song list, but that probably will not be available in a "reliable" "verifiable" form until this show opens on Bway. Getting there! JeanColumbia 11:20, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I added a little more to the synopsis, as indicated by the various reviews. Since they are still cutting the show down from its original 3 hours, this may change a little, but I doubt that it will change in any of the respects mentioned. -- Ssilvers 16:19, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Separate articles for songs
Except for "Puttin' on the Ritz", I don't think the individual songs from this show are notable and need their own articles. If you read those articles, they don't contain any more information other than what is in the show's article, and the ones I looked at also have some unreferenced OR/POV. There certainly don't need to be an redlinks in the song list. -- Ssilvers 01:32, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm in complete agreement with the comments from Ssilvers; I have once again removed useless red links (per WP:OVERLINK), and ...common sense. JeanColumbia 12:17, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Scenes
I think we should add the scenes to the show. We know them by reading the summary on the soundtrack. I tried it but they kept deleating my work. Melbrooksfan101 (talk) 05:32, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism on the part of Melbrooksfan101 (aka Soapfan101)
Please do not add scenes to the song list or in any other form, per consensus and per Musical Theatre structure. The scenes are in the plot/synopsis; the so-called "soundtrack" is not relevant here. I have not placed a warning on the talk page because it is locked (due to having two usernames, Melbrooksfan101 and Soapfan101 ([]. I believe that would also be known as sockpuppet see WP:SOCK). These edits now show a long term pattern of vandalism. I would ask that they be discontinued. Thank you. JeanColumbia (talk) 10:20, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The user page is now unblocked, appropriate message left. This user (Melbrooksfan101) has also vandalised Mame in the same manner. JeanColumbia (talk) 10:38, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry but i lost my password for my other one. Now on the talk of vandalisem. I did not.....I repete did not vandelise mame. I have the script, you can bye it, and it tells me the scenes. I am a fan of musical theatre and I know what i am talking about besides as far as mame's concered i left a reference. JeanColumbia, I don't think you like theatre at all. How come you don't punish the person who did the scenes for Sweeney Todd. Melbrooksfan101 (talk) 12:33, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Rather convienient that you lost the password for an account that was blocked for vandalism. Personal attacks are unnecessary.  Jean's lengthy track record is unblemished.  You've been here for a month and have acted inharmoniously.  With whom do you think people should side?  &mdash;   Music  Maker  5376  23:43, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry but i lost my password for my other one. Now on the talk of vandalisem. I did not.....I repete did not vandelise mame. I have the script, you can bye it, and it tells me the scenes. I am a fan of musical theatre and I know what i am talking about besides as far as mame's concered i left a reference. JeanColumbia, I don't think you like theatre at all. How come you don't punish the person who did the scenes for Sweeney Todd. Melbrooksfan101 (talk) 12:33, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

The Law-song
It's not on the OCR is it? Melbrooksfan101 talk 01:52, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Check it Out
The Scenes to Young Frankenstein - Melbrooksfan101 talk 07:11, 15 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hello, Melbrooksfan101. WP:MUSICALS project articles generally do not break the Synopses or song lists into scenes.  There may be a couple of exceptions, especially for musicals that are organized into very well defined vignettes and do not have a narrative storyline, but you will see that the vast majority do not break the musicals down into scenes.  If you want to discuss this further, I suggest that you do it at the WP:MUSICALS discussion page.  Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:28, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

The Law-song
Is it a real song? Melbrooksfan101 talk 01:52, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Heeeeellllllooooo.....is anybody out there? Melbrooksfan101 talk 02:49, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Tour Cast
The tour cast is still to be announced. Unless you can find a published source for that cast list (which seems unlikely seeing as how Drew Seeley is too young to play Igor and Martin Short and Fran Drescher are a little too famous for a tour like this), they will be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.225.111.36 (talk) 21:11, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Technically, I'm not sure that cast lists for touring productions are supposed to be included at all. WP:WPMT article guidelines state "For the original Broadway or West End production, there may be a cast list.... Other productions should merely name the notable actors and production team members who have Wikipedia articles and can be blue-linked, unless their names are important to an understanding of the musical and its history. A citation to the full cast lists can be given so that the information is easily accessible to anyone who needs this information." Nowhere does it say that the full cast list should be included for touring casts, so if you find the information to be questionable I think you'd be justified in removing it. — MearsMan   talk  21:59, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


 * All edits made by User_talk:24.90.42.12 are vandal edits s/he has been making these vandal edits since De, 2008, under this IP as well as several others; espcially likes to mess with Wicked & Legally Blonde (musical). I've tried to get her blocked, have done so for short periods, but she always emerges to vandalize again, under this or a different IP (or else it is a friend/copy-cat). She also has discovered Fran D, although she usually uses the younger actresses. Anyway, that entire tour list should be deleted, it is vandalism. The tour cast has not been announced (to my knowledge). As to the point that MearsMan makes, you are correct in your reading, but good luck in enforcing it! That's why I like the separate article for Legally Blonde (musical) cast lists that lists all of the casts, Broadway, tour and otherwise, it keeps the long lists out of the basic article and gives the fans a place to play. I also note that Wicked now has a cast list in table form that lists all of the Glindas and Elphabas, tour and elsewhere, notable or not (even lists understudies against the guidelines). And that is a Good Article!. JeanColumbia (talk) 22:22, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and removed the touring cast list from the article. As for the cast lists articles, I've always been a bit torn when it comes to them. While they certainly serve a purpose, my experience has shown that they're heavily edited by IP's, and I always worry about the accuracy of the information they present. But yes, I'm certainly thankful that they keep the mess out of the main articles! — MearsMan  talk  22:51, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Irving Berlin
Does Irving Berlin really need credit for music and lyrics in the box? Only one of his songs was used for the show and there is a note on that on the song list. Berlin is a great composer but he should be credited for Young Frankenstein other than in the note.--JDDJS (talk) 20:16, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Critical reception
This section needs to be rewritten. It's too long and it is just quotes. It should be written to just express the general reviews and does not need to address each review individually. JDDJS (talk) 20:36, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree. It may take awhile, but it can be easily rewritten in a better format. S.S. Miami (talk) 20:48, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

First Sentence
Unless I'm just not seeing something, the first sentence doesn't seem very clear. Perhaps it should be edited so that it makes more sense? Alphius ( talk ) 15:54, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

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