Talk:Young Leaders (The Scout Association)

Cleanup
It certainly does need cleaning up. It would help if it told us which country it is about. I presume, the USA? --Bduke (talk) 07:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * This is not US- we don't have Beavers (we have Tiger Cubs within Cub Scouting), nor do we have Explorer Scouts (our Exploring program is no longer part of the traditional Scouting program). Ah- found it in Explorer Scouts, part of The Scout Association.  I'm not sure what "run alongside" means.  If it is part of Explorers, then this belongs in that article; if it is separate, then the material in Explorers needs to be merged here.  I'm not sure about "programme" in the name as this does not follow the other section names.  --—  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  08:39, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Duh, sorry about that. I was not reading straight. The badge is like the current Explorers use, but the concept is way past my time in the SA. --Bduke (talk) 09:21, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * ScoutBase states "The Young Leaders' Scheme is just one of the exciting programme elements in the Explorer Scout section."  So, this is part of Explorer Scouting.  Do YL have units separate from Explorer Scouts?  If so, then this article stands; if not, this should be merged into Explorer Scouts.  --http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Young_Leaders%27_Programme&action=edit

Edit this page— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  09:48, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I think the key sentence is;
 * "Young Leaders are de facto Explorer Scouts, but are not required to participate in Explorer activities. Most Explorer Scouts use the Young Leader scheme as their Service section of the progressive award scheme".

I take this to mean that some Explorers use the programme as part of the award scheme, but some never join an Explorer Unit but stay in their Group as a young leader. This has always been a problem in the UK. Explorers are organised at District level. Many young people do not want to leave their Group, but the numbers are not large enough to have an Explorer unit effectively attached to the Group. I meet this in the Northern Territory of Australia too. My group for a long while had few Venturers, but the Group 4 km away had a Venturer Unit attached to the Group and hosted the District Rover Crew. Young people from the Group I was with did not want to go there and eventually started a Venture unit, but both died because they were both too small. Being a junior leader lets people effectively stay with the Group they love. That is, I suspect, why it is successful. I'm still uncertain whether to recommend merge or leave as is. --Bduke (talk) 10:03, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * User:Schumi555 is listed as a Young Leader and User:Mayalld is listed as an Explorer Scout Commissioner, so I asked for their input. --—  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  10:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Bduke is right, Explorers are organised at District level, so some Scouts decide not to move on to Explorer Scouts when they become old enough, but may wish to stay on with their local group and help out as a Young Leader, which is what I do. Some Young Leaders are Explorers, but not all Explorers have to take part in the Young Leader programme. Hope this answers your question, regards, Schumi555 (talk) 16:15, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Recommendations:
 * It does not look like "programme" should be part of the name.
 * The material in Explorers should be merged here, leaving a summary.
 * The Scouting Sections navbox needs to be expanded to include YL across the series.
 * This article needs a massive cleanup.
 * --— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  16:30, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes I agree. I will help if you want, but I am a bit busy at the moment. Regards, Schumi555 (talk) 16:37, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I've removed material from the Explorers page, just leaving a link to the YL page and a summary. I've tried tidying this page up a little too and updated the navbox for YL. Please make any changes that you think still need doing. Should the page simply be called "Young Leader"? Regards, Schumi555 (talk) 12:02, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree on the name; however Girlguiding UK also has Young Leaders, so the best name would be "Young Leaders (The Scout Association)." We need some cleanup on the other SA section names as well, but I will take that to the appropriate pages.  --—  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  12:52, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Infobox
I switched to Infobox WorldScouting with the new section parameters. Thoughts? --— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  18:31, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, looks good. Just a question though, where did you get the information about age ranges being 14-28, because I have been told that I am unable to continue my Young Leader programme once I reach 18 years of age. Regards, Schumi555 (talk) 20:50, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Ooops. --—  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  20:54, 9 February 2008 (UTC)