Talk:Yuan Shikai

American Education?
Was Yuan sent to America for education? I have come across some references that he attended Yale University and joined the Delta Kappa Epsilon fraternity there. I know some of his contemporaries like Zhan Tianyou were educated in New England via the Chinese Educational Mission, but see no references of Yuan's participation in this or a foreign education in the present article or any material revealed by a quick google. If anyone can shed insight this would be a nice addition to the article. -User:Lommer | talk 00:35, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

New material?
This material of mine touches on Yuan Shih-Kai's constitutional attempts: []. Perhaps people can use some of it, here and in any article on the Hartford convention. PML.

Was Yuan ever really an emperor? My most detailed sources indicated that he delayed his coronation repeatedly and finally abandoned his scheme altogether. At best he would be emperor-elect. --Countakeshi 04:18, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * He was emperor, although he never coronated himself. See Empire of China (1915-1916). Elle vécut heureuse à jamais  (Be eudaimonic!) 09:11, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Death date
On the June 6th article it say that Shikai died on June 6th, but on his article it says 5th... i have looked al over and nowhere does it say he died on the 5th, so i am going to change it to the 5th till another person corrects it, with proff. Biggal6 5:23 PM EST, 8 October 2006

date links
Can someone please remove all of the links to years/months that have no date, as per WP policy. This is necessary to satisfy the critera for Good Article. Tony 06:27, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

GA nomination has failed
I am failing the GA nomination for paucity of sources and lack on in-line citations. The article is generally well written and covers the subject sufficiently fully but without verifiable sources it doesn't quite make the cut. Eluchil404 12:25, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Japan on imperial bid
"The Imperial Government in Japan suggested similar ideas"

--I thought that Japan opposed any settlement that would increase political stability in China? At least, isn't that why it crushed the imperial movement later on? Brutannica 06:08, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Hongxian
Um doesn't Hongxian roughly translate to 'enlightened age' or something similar? Im pretty sure it was a self-proclaimed term.

So it is essentially the Chinese equivalent to "Meiji"? Interesting. 207.112.45.19 (talk) 19:32, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Family
Apparently his descendants are everywhere in the world. Someone should put up a list. Colipon+(T) 03:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Category
This article was recently moved from Qing Prime Ministers to Qing Dynasty Chancellors as a result of a blanket move that, seemingly, no-one noticed. I've proposed for it to be moved because it is a simple error. Please add your comments at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_March_22 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sumple (talk • contribs) 01:42, 22 March 2007 (UTC).

Grants Tomb
I have seen grant's tomb and yuan's tomb in Anyang,  they are not similar at all. Yuans tomb is more in the style of a Ming tomb, the site is about 1 km long and very pretentious for a man such as Yuan. Eregli bob 08:53, 11 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Yuan's tomb is actually a lot more like Lincoln's than Grant's.


 * The contention that Yuan's tomb does not resemble Grant's tomb is correct. A map of Yuan's tomb can be found at , and a picture of Grant's Tomb can be found at .  The sentence stating that Yuan's tomb was constructed to resemble Grant's tomb is unsourced and does not appear to be correct via a casual observation of their appearances.  Unless anyone has any serious objections, that reference should be removed.Ferox Seneca (talk) 06:21, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Deleted.Ferox Seneca (talk) 00:01, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Dynasty name?
Does anyone knows what was, if any, the name chosen by Yuan Shih-Kai to be the dynastic name (such as Ming, Qing, etc)? Hongxian seems to be his reign name —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.40.57.129 (talk) 20:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

He changed the country name 中华民国 to 中华帝国. It can be the Dynasty name--刻意(Kèyì) 19:35, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Empire of China (1915–1916).Ferox Seneca (talk) 19:47, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

cause of death
The speed of his death after dissolution of the proposed regime is notable, and kidney failure is readily caused by poisoning. Is there no further discussion of cause of death in the literature? – SJ + 23:34, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * There has been alot written about Yuan, but I have never heard of any reference to such a plot in any account of his life. There probably isn't any evidence to suggest that he was poisoned.Ferox Seneca (talk) 02:49, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Yuan shikai's Refusal to deploy soldiers in the boxer rebellion
http://books.google.com/books?id=_W-mAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA70#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=_W-mAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA71#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=Bwi-sUw5Z24C&pg=PA12#v=onepage&q&f=false

Yuan did not just massacre boxers in Shandong. He directly assisted the British and Americans in massacring Boxers in the tens of thousands in Zhili.

http://books.google.com/books?id=wkHyjjbv-yEC&pg=PA94#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=_W-mAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA76#v=onepage&q&f=false

Suppresion in Shandong and other anti boxer moves

http://books.google.com/books?id=pEfWaxPhdnIC&pg=PA119#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=pEfWaxPhdnIC&pg=PA121#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=pEfWaxPhdnIC&pg=PA126#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=_W-mAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA67#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=_W-mAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA66#v=onepage&q&f=false

He negotiated indirectly with the British.

http://books.google.com/books?id=_W-mAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA69#v=onepage&q&f=false

Negotiations with the eight nation alliance

http://books.google.com/books?id=t2-OmUA-EscC&pg=PA73#v=onepage&q&f=false

Some primary sources to be put into wikisource

http://books.google.com/books?id=CjUjAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA170#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=nGcXAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA596#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=6UkAAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA748#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=q381AQAAMAAJ&pg=PR27#v=onepage&q&f=false

Claim of descent from Yuan Chonghuan
http://books.google.com/books?id=kseZ-zeY3CoC&pg=PA122#v=onepage&q&f=false

Page 328

http://books.google.com/books?id=kX8aNxOwp34C&q=yuan+ch'ung-huan+yuan+shih-k'ai+ancestor&dq=yuan+ch'ung-huan+yuan+shih-k'ai+ancestor&hl=en&sa=X&ei=iXIQUYGrDsrb0QGtxYCQCw&ved=0CF4Q6AEwCA

Pages 88 and 89

http://books.google.com/books?ei=iXIQUYGrDsrb0QGtxYCQCw&id=S4A0AAAAIAAJ&dq=yuan+ch%27ung-huan+yuan+shih-k%27ai+ancestor&q=yuan+ch%27ung-huan+yuan+shih-k%27ai+ancestral#search_anchor

Pages 88 and 89

http://books.google.com/books?ei=iXIQUYGrDsrb0QGtxYCQCw&id=JjEyAAAAMAAJ&dq=yuan+ch%27ung-huan+yuan+shih-k%27ai+ancestor&q=yuan+ch%27ung-huan+yuan+shih-k%27ai+ancestral#search_anchor

Primary source for wikisource

http://books.google.com/books?id=wGtxAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA7#v=onepage&q&f=false

Rajmaan (talk) 03:23, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Development of Yuan Shikai's army
Page 229

"In 1896, after the Japanese victory, Sheng Hsuan-huai2 had suggested replacing the 800,000 soldiers of the ... Both were equipped with Western uniforms and weapons, especially Mauser rifles, and Chang's force was trained by 35 ... Jung- lu then quickly organized a German-trained vanguard under General Nieh Shih- ch'eng, who had earned an excellent reputation during the Sino-Japanese War."

http://books.google.com/books?id=BsBwAAAAMAAJ&q=both+equipped#search_anchor

Title	The fall of imperial China Transformation of modern China series Charles C. Moskowitz Memorial Lectures Author	Frederic E. Wakeman Edition	illustrated Publisher	Free Press, 1975 Original from	the University of Michigan Digitized	Sep 9, 2008 ISBN 0029336902, 9780029336908 Length	276 pages

Rajmaan (talk) 00:23, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Wikisource
Here is a public domain account of Yuan Shikai's manipulation of the Xinhai Revolution and how he attempted the restoration of the monarchy. Please pu on wikisource and link relevant chapter to this article.

http://books.google.com/books?id=fjoPAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA374#v=onepage&q&f=false

Rajmaan (talk) 02:19, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Yuan Shikai's Army
Yuan's army was originally named the Pacification Army. Its name was changed to the Newly Created Army and during the Boxer Rebellion its name was changed to the Right Division of the Guard Army.

A fully separate article is required on this individual army, I will list the sources available here, we may need to debate about which name to choose for the article before creating it,

http://books.google.com/books?id=io-mAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA184#v=onepage&q&f=false http://books.google.com/books?id=io-mAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA185#v=onepage&q&f=false http://books.google.com/books?id=io-mAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA186#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=2MeUoD9G9xAC&pg=PA28#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=Bwi-sUw5Z24C&pg=PA11#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=2YleP1OP4HsC&pg=PA36#v=onepage&q&f=false http://books.google.com/books?id=2YleP1OP4HsC&pg=PA5#v=onepage&q&f=false http://books.google.com/books?id=2YleP1OP4HsC&pg=PA11#v=onepage&q&f=false http://books.google.com/books?id=2YleP1OP4HsC&pg=PA25#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=xxE6rybpvHQC&pg=PA26#v=onepage&q&f=false http://books.google.com/books?id=xxE6rybpvHQC&pg=PA16#v=onepage&q&f=false http://books.google.com/books?id=xxE6rybpvHQC&pg=PA24#v=onepage&q&f=false http://books.google.com/books?id=xxE6rybpvHQC&pg=PA25#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=wWvl9O4Gn1UC&pg=PA498#v=onepage&q&f=false

Rajmaan (talk) 04:30, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

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