Talk:Yugoslav Air Force

Roundel
This is a note, to whomever added the roundel for the Serbia & Montenegro (FRY) roundel to this page. Please note, the tailfin marker is a simple yugoslavian flag which has been elongated, but the roundel of the SFRY Air Force was just a red star, white background, blue circle. Zlatko 06:06, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I have never read any sources that claim that the SFRY had any intentions of acquiring the NH-90 helicopter. I have heard and read that the Yugoslav air force was considering acquiring a locally designed and built helicopter called the VNH-90, which has no similarity to the NH-90 save a somewhat similar designation. I have sources to back this up. it is a .jpeg file of a newspaper article that I can post here if it is necessary, as well as a model and line drawing of what the VNH-90 was to have looked like. It would hae been basically similar in profile to the Aerospatiale Super Puma, but would have had a cargo ramp at the rear of the fuselage and would have had a five-bladed main rotor. However, there was another plan as some did not feel that the VNH-90 was feesible. Aerospatiale was prepared to offer a license to Soko to manufacture the Super Puma As.332 Mk.II and make any changes they felt necessary to make, such as a rear cargo ramp to accomodate transportation of the UAZ-469. I feel this edit needs to be made ASAP. I may proceed with it independently tomorrow.SAWGunner89 (talk) 03:14, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Image files: Image:Belgr f84 thunderjet.JPG and Image:Yu Yak-3.jpg have been moved to the Yugoslav Aeronautical Museum page as more appropriate to content. Gaston200 (talk) 13:36, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Move?

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Yugoslav Air Force, over disambiguation page which is now deleted. Editors are responsible for adding appropriate hatnotes to the two related articles. Mike Cline (talk) 16:32, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

SFR Yugoslav Air Force → Yugoslav Air Force –
 * The name uses abbreviations that are besides that unnecessary. The actual name of the air force was simply "Yugoslav Air Force". The target article is a disambig page that is imo unnecessary, as the two air forces it distinguishes had different names. A distinguish template at the head of each of the the two articles should be sufficient. relisted-Mike Cline (talk) 12:34, 23 January 2012 (UTC) -- Director  ( talk )  18:31, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yugoslav Air Force is a disambig page. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:55, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Support as nominator I guess... I did not really want to start an RfM right now as I will be leaving on breal soon, but what the hey :). "SFR Yugoslav Air Force" is not a title in accordance with policy since it abbreviates "Socialist Federal Republic" to "SFR". That said, it is not really necessary to include the full name of the state. There is the "Jugoslovensko kraljevsko ratno vazduhoplovstvo", which translates to "Yugoslav Royal Air Force" and there is the "Jugoslovensko ratno vazduhoplovstvo", which this article is about, and which translates simply as "Yugoslav Air Force". Moreover I don't think a disambiguation page just for these two is necessary. I think simply placing a distinguish template will suffice. Well that's it, thoughts? -- Director  ( talk )  01:37, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Support for reasons given above --RJFF (talk) 05:44, 29 January 2012 (UTC)


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Use of Serbo-Croatian variants
Recently, there has been a naming dispute between several editors, concerning the use of Serbo-Croatian language variants (Serbian and Croatian) in official names of Yugoslav Air Force and Air Force and Anti-Air Defence. In my opinion, there should be three versions of English translation of the former military unit - as it is here:. The reason for this is that Serbian language uses both latin and cyrilic script in official use and Croatian language uses the latin script. Keep in mind that all opinions should be respected in accordance with WP:TPG, and explicitly WP:TPNO. Ad hominem attacks should be not tolerated as has been the case here: of user involved in dispute.-- AirWolf   talk  17:07, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I agree. Use all 3 variants. Serbian and Croatian languages use different words for air force so both variants can be included. I'm not sure for Slovenian and Macedonian. Maybe their variant can be included if it was in official use during Yugoslavia.141.136.192.69 (talk) 20:19, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

I'm fine with the current state of the infobox, but seeing as how Cyrillic is now officially the primary script of Serbian... I don't know that it's necessary that the translation brackets include the Serbian name in both scripts: remember that the translation in the brackets has nothing to do with the actual historical name, it's there to show modern-day translation(s). Usually, to avoid repetition and clutter, we have the Croatian variant in Latin, and the Serbian variant in Cyrillic. The Latin comes first because this is a Latin Wiki, but given the significant difference here (and the fact that the JNA really did just used Serbian variants almost exclusively) - if you want to place the Cyrillic first here, I'd be fine with that (you guys were always First ;)).

P.s. A few more things: I trimmed down the infobox. Imo if we're going to have all this we don't need to repeat the thing just with the word "Yugoslav" in there... especially since it's unofficial. Further, "Air Defence" is probably more accurate in English than "Anti-Air Defence". The latter is too literal.

Finally, we had a bit of a misunderstanding at first here... I'm sorry, AirWolf. Fkp, I still hate your guts... ;) --  Director  ( talk )  23:39, 25 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Serbian variant of Serbo-Croatian was used in SFRY as prefered for official names of the institutions. So, what we need in the article is the official name, which is Serbo-Croatian Cyrillic and Latin spelling of the Serbian version of S-C. So when you see RV PVO, that is not a translation but the official name of the institution. And yes, we do need both, Cyrillic and Latin version of Serbian because both were heavily used as official name of the institution. The rest are translations, and I have a question here with your addition of RZ PZO in infobox and lede. I cant find a single source naming Yugoslav RV PVO as RZ PZO. We need there the official name and not translations, and official name is "Ratno vazduhoplovstvo - Protivvazdušna odbrana (RV PVO) and not RZ PZO. By adding RZ PZO you are missleading readers about the official name. In my view it should be removed from infobox and lede and go to a translations section to be created. Official names of institutions are one thing, translations another. FkpCascais (talk) 19:09, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Direktor, please dont insist on this without backing it up with reliable sources. The air force had one official name, in Serbo-Croatian (in the case Serbian variant of S-C). You cant display as official name another naming. We are displaying there the native name of the air force. You insist in adding the Croatian translation. We can have even a Korean tanslation of the air force, but that is not the native official name. As we can see by the badge and all official documents, the name was RV-PVO and not RZ-HZO. Please provide a raliable source that says SFR Yugoslav Air Force was named differently than RV-PVO that not simply a Croatian traslation, cause translations there are in all languages, but not claims of official name. FkpCascais (talk) 02:03, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

I made a search and I cant find absolutely anywhere a reference to SFR Yugoslav Air Force as RZ-PZO. FkpCascais (talk) 02:17, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Boeing 727
The Boeing 727-200 which were owned by Yugoslav Air Force are missing in the inventary. Here is a source saying YAF sold 2 Boeing 727-200 to Aviogenex in 1983. FkpCascais (talk) 03:59, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 17 April 2019

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover)  SITH   (talk)   13:58, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Yugoslav Air Force → Yugoslav air force – Per MOS:MILTERMS. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 10:42, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose. It's a proper name. "Unofficial but well-known names should also be capitalized." This falls into that category even though it's not technically the translation of the official name. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:43, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose, no different to the Royal Air Force, and every other capitalised air force.  Lazz _R  13:24, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose. It's (part of, actually &mdash; I checked the first line of the article) the name for a specific organization, not just any old "air force". --Comment by  Selfie City  ( talk about my  contributions ) 22:28, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose It is the proper English name of an air force that existed with that name for a specific period of time, initial caps are correct. There is the Royal Yugoslav Army Air Force as well, of course, making the proposed title ambiguous. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:11, 18 April 2019 (UTC)


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