Talk:Yugoslav Partisan crimes after World War II in Zagreb

Deletion
I see that User:Buidhe has chosen to contest WP:PROD deletion. I'm minded to take this to AfD, but maybe I won't if I get good answers to these questions. Firstly, how does any of the content improve in any way on Yugoslav Partisans, and, to address the issue of redirection, is there any evidence that crimes were committed by Partisans in Zagreb in this period, something that is presupposed by this title? There were clearly crimes committed by Partisans in this period, but I have seen no evidence that any were committed in Zagreb. And please don't treat far-right hate publications as if they were reliable sources. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:20, 30 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Tangentially related, just to show unreliability of sources: here are some examples of narod.hr (one of the sources used in the article) doctoring photos and inventing almost entire contents of historical speeches they are "reporting" on. Notrium (talk) 23:07, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Also, Josip Jurčević, the author of the hkv.hr source could be accused of denying genocide in his work; and hkv.hr is also a "far-right" portal. Hrvoje Hitrec, the first listed columnist of hkv.hr wrote the Holocaust denying movie Jasenovac – istina. Notrium (talk) 23:28, 30 January 2019 (UTC)


 * There were crimes in Zagreb, like the Gračani massacre (northern part of Zagreb). Its probably best to make separate articles for each massacre like in the Gračani case, and maybe a section in the Zagreb in World War II article. Tzowu (talk) 23:26, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Agree that there were retaliatory and other mass killings in Zagreb (Gračani, Maksimir and Prečko at least) but I'm not sure the scope of this article is encyclopaedic, and suggest individual articles on each mass killing would be a better way of approaching it. In the first instance, perhaps the reliably sourced information could be merged to Yugoslav Partisans. I am a bit concerned about the bonafides of some of the sources. With such matters, I have found it is often better to avoid the local online press, and look for scholarly books or articles published outside of the former Yugoslavia. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:01, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


 * I have no opinion on whether the topic is encyclopedic and wouldn't object to redirecting the page somewhere else. However, the current title would make a good redirect, and I don't think the above rationales are enough to justify deleting the page history. buidhe 02:21, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


 * , the question is do we redirect this to Zagreb in World War II or to Yugoslav Partisans? Maybe it is better to just delete it, since "Yugoslav Partisan crimes after World War II in Zagreb" is such a weird scope. And, about the history, the article really does not have much useful stuff through its whole history. Notrium (talk) 14:01, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


 * This article's scope is peculiar - hypothetically, Yugoslav Partisan crimes after World War II in Croatia (not that this would be a good title!) would be more natural.
 * I'd also stay away from the above-mentioned far-right/revisionist sources and go for scholarly (or at least reasonably neutral) publications if possible. Not sure if these would be enough to establish standalone notability. A section in Zagreb in World War II, per Tzowu, is a good idea. GregorB (talk) 12:33, 31 January 2019 (UTC)