Talk:Yuku

New Article
Sadly enough someone deleted the whole article the moment I was removing the [WP:N] tags. Not sure what timezone was intended (it's STILL december 7 in much of the world) so I do regard it as vandalism. But I just placed my edit anyway as new article because the discussion had ruled in favor of *not* deleting the article and there was no opposition anymore. Furoria 02:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Any idea if it's possible to find out who deleted the article? I don't understand what the point is in having discussions if people go and delete the page regardless of the outcome. Either way, thanks for reinstating the article. JamminBen 06:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree that the deletion was clearly vandalism. Big changes have been made before without discussion and the article than reverted. To have managed to delete the whole article complete with all talk as well is completely out of order and should be reported. As has been said here, the consensus developing was that the Yuku article should remain side by side with the ezboard one as they are two completely different products, one replacing the other. RichardHMorris 08:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * 01:17, 8 December 2006 The Epopt (Talk | contribs) deleted "Yuku" (no objection to proposed deletion), how do they mean no objection, they mean the tags were not removed perhaps? See also WP:UNDEL Furoria 13:59, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, it does mean that. If you object to the deletion, you should remove the tags and give reason in the edit summary.  See Proposed deletion for more information. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Real decimic (talk • contribs) 21:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC).


 * Didn't the page say something about "please do not remove this tag", stating that a discussion should be held? We were in the midst of discussion and the whole page was deleted. Damned if we do, damned if we don't! JamminBen 23:13, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The deletion tag that say you must not remove it is the AfD tag. --real _ decimic 01:27, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Suggested Merge
Since the whole Talk Page has disappeared I'll repost my last comment that addresses the only argument given: the example of InvisionFree and should address any given reason to merge.

"Actually Invisionfree will remain active alongside Zetaboards without any given timeline (actually the term 'indefinately' was used) on one replacing the other, according to the owner's FAQ and posts. So I don't think Invisionfree "is doing the same", because they won't until Invisionfree will be shut down (as product) because no one will want it anymore. Then the article becomes a historical article since Invisionfree is a product name, not the name of software or legal name of the company. The same situation might arise with Yuke and ezboard. Even while it's claimed ezboard will be shut down in 2007 somewhere, it's also possible it will take years and the different systems will co-exist as separate networks - like it's now. So it seems logical to retain different articles in both cases since the article is not about a company, but about a product, an online community network with different memberships, rules and techniques" Furoria 02:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I think the merge tags disappeared when the original Yuku page was removed. They're certainly not there anymore. I agree with your comments and would not support a merge of the two articles. JamminBen 06:26, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No, I removed the merge tags here and at ezboard, but when I was busy doing that the Yuku article was deleted by an admin because the WP:N tags were still up at December 8 GMT.... lesson learned... Furoria 14:01, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, until those notable mentions are listed & verified, it's still an issue... --MonkeyTimeBoy 23:14, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Did you see Furoria's comment above? But I just placed my edit anyway as new article because the discussion had ruled in favor of *not* deleting the article and there was no opposition anymore. I find it rather suspicious that the pages were deleted just as the discussion had essentially concluded. One further point: have you actually read the article since it was reinstated? Several external links have been added. It would help if you could review the article in light of the recent changes and then come back to say whether they are sufficient. If they are not, please show us where we need to provide more references using the "citation needed" tag. JamminBen 11:51, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Proper formatting would suggest that you give each source/citation a listing in a References or in the External Links section, but having it within the article is ok---when I posted, there were none that I saw, but simply a 'they'll be added soon' assertion.--MonkeyTimeBoy 00:12, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Validity
I'm not sure on the validity of the following sentences...

As with ezboard, Yuku will be available in two formats: the free Yuku boards will be supported through advertisements. Paid message boards will not show advertisements.

The issue with advertisements has not been fully worked out internally yet...

Regimemachine 19:56, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The references to paid and free boards comes from the ezboard CEO Blog which has not been added to to reflect this somewhat fundamental change of emphasis by ezboard, Inc.: after all, the main thrust of Labatt's DEMOfall 2005 presentation was that board owners could earn significant sums by way of sharing advertising revenues their Yuku boards generated. If advertising isn't to be carried on Yuku message boards then unless ezboard allows its board 'owners' to include their own banners or Google AdWords javascript, how will they earn money from Yuku? There have been no 'official' announcements of any change to advertising income or the removal of Gold equivalence, i.e. removal of ads from Yuku boards. Clearly if there are no ads. to remove...
 * The Yuku Yuku wiki states that "Today yuku has these advantages ... no ads on boards" (emphasis added). Later in that article it states that a Yuku version of "ezSupporter" is in development. Now on ezboard that includes a "Master Account", "Profile Skinning" and "ez InBox Messaging", all of which are already basic features of a Yuku profile. Anonymous browsing isn't a feature being offered and ad-free browsing looks like it's already taken care of if the boards are ad-free - the profiles carry advertising instead. So why offer a Yuku version of ezSupporter if it doesn't actually have any extra features? RichardHMorris 17:01, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I added a Fact to the end of the sentences to at least get a valid source for them. I forgot to add a explanation for the history, so I'm making mention of it here. Regimemachine 20:01, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Release date
I removed the comment about Yuku being released in June 2007. See here for details: This is a rumour that appears to be false (although theoretically possible, but that would be a coincidence). This would be a pretty big announcement and it needs a source, which I certainly haven't seen. JamminBen 08:51, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The only detail concerning release dates for Yuku were contained within the CEO Blog on ezboard and Yuku - end of 2006 - although both sources have been deleted by ezboard, Inc. RichardHMorris 08:30, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Dates do change with this kind of thing. I don't see much point in holding anyone to a date that has already been missed. It would help if we had a date for when Yuku entered its alpha and beta stages. Beyond that, all we can do is say that as of yet, no release date has been set (which I already included). When Yuku comes out of beta, the WP page can be updated to include the release date. JamminBen 00:00, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh absolutely! But the situation remains that Yuku was launched in September 2005 as being available back then even though it was actually at alpha stage. We know that a series of dates were given for its release - the famous "ready for prime time" posts and others - but that those timescales were missed and the blogs that detailed them either hidden or deleted. We also know that Yuku (although it wasn't given that name until after the ezboard data loss when the Yuku.com domain name was transferred to it) was in development in early 2005 as ezboard referred to it in the announcements it made at the time of the data loss. This is all part of the history of the product and should validly remain included in this article even though the source data has been removed by ezboard. RichardHMorris 16:22, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Remember that this discussion only started because someone added bogus information. The History section already mentions the September 2005 (alpha) launch and that as yet there is no release date. There is also a mention of the anticipated launch date being the end of 2006. I don't think we need to point out that this is a missed date - that would be bordering on propaganda. We're now in May 2007, so it's pretty obvious that the date was missed. And regardless of whether the sources still exist, we cannot keep a full history of everything, nor should we try to. JamminBen 14:27, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I think we need to include that element where I had previously written that Yuku is out of beta. Whilst there have been no formal announcements to that effect, it clearly is out of beta - still bug fixing but that continues in all the message board systems - but note that the main section logos no longer have the beta element to them and all the main site sections do not mention it being in beta. The ezboard staff have stopped using the "it's still in beta" excuse as well. Should we use my earlier edit or would someone else prefer to suggest a better form of words? Askeladden2006? You might not claim it's biased then... RichardHMorris (talk) 23:49, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Have you seen the Exiting beta section under History? Yuku has said they will be coming out of beta but they haven't specified exactly when. Is there a lot more we can say without bordering on speculation? JamminBen (talk) 01:07, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes I have. But have you looked on the main Yuku site, i.e. not the support board? If you can tell me what the average user would think or would be able to find out about the status of the software other than it not being beta but released coding, I'd be interested. It's only when you delve deeper into the out of date help wiki that you begin to see mention of beta status, but then ezboard have traditionally been extremely lax about updating their information pages (the staff and board pages weren't updated for a long long while after departures) and as I said, the help wiki is out of date. If you look at the main Yuku site, it does not mention beta status anywhere, thus it has to be released. RichardHMorris (talk) 12:11, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Does an independent definition of beta exist that can be applied here? The fact that users pay for service implies that the beta stage has passed, but the continued existence of so many bugs suggests otherwise. If a company says its product is out of beta, does that mean it really is? Some of the bugs are serious. People log into other people's accounts by accident and get access to private information and to admin forums they're not supposed to see. This one still happens. It's happened before, and yuku suppresses the public record of it by making old bugbase reports inaccessible from links. Every released product has bugs, sure, but I should think yuku would fix something like this before calling their product released. Cognita (talk) 03:55, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * P.S.: Anyway, if yuku calls itself beta, who am I to argue? I hit the familiar "Updating Software" page a moment ago – you know, the magician on a black background – and its lower right corner says "yuku beta." Cognita (talk) 05:00, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * There is the Wikipedia article here. The trouble with trying to rely on Yuku for a source of definitive information is that a lot of it is contradictory or out of date. One would hope that with KickApps' management and investment, they will also invest time and effort getting the whole system up to date and clarify the status. RichardHMorris (talk) 10:49, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

What to do with expired links?
Several of the links in this article are no longer valid - in particular, the links to the lobby. A new source is not available. Is it reasonable to keep the information here for historical purposes but state the original sources were removed? What is the usual WP policy here? JamminBen 02:27, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what official Wikipedia policy is, but the long road to release is relevant as part of the history of Yuku, which is after all what an encyclopedia is for. I would be in favour of retaining the information but as you suggest stating that the original sources were removed. RichardHMorris 08:32, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Reverted change
I removed some information that had been awaiting a valid source since February. I also did some other changes. The entire change was reverted and as a result some of the changes were lost, which I thought were valid. I have updated the article to include these.

I don't consider the change to be a large deletion, but I do consider the reversion to be a heavy-handed approach. Please consider the When to revert item, here:

This was not an act of vandalism, so why was it reverted? Nobody provided the source until I removed the information - if the source had been provided sooner, then I would not have removed that text. We shouldn't be keeping anything that cannot be verified! JamminBen 00:00, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * As you are well aware, most of the original source material is only available offline since ezboard,Inc. removed a lot of the long, long history of its evolution including all of its CEO Blog, etc. Presumably this is to remove criticism of all the failed deadlines and timscales? I reverted it because you had removed a lot of the history too including all the "ready for prime time" material. The danger in removing content that cannot now be readily verified due to its removal by interested parties or originating companies is that a completely sanitised view is then presented. Don't forget that at the time a lot of the material was written, the source material was indeed available and verifiable but has now been removed. Given your own relationship with ezboard now, Ben, you in particular need to be seen to be completely impartial (and please correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you now a moderator or admin. of some official or semi-official Yuku boards?). This is not 'having a pop' at you either Ben: I know you've done a lot of work to present the history of ezboard in particular. RichardHMorris 08:21, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * but as I said, the source you found could have been added some time ago - it wasn't. Regardless of what has or hasn't been confirmed to date, I would be careful not to include information that can't be backed up. It's not so much that things are being hidden, it's that there was really nothing to back up that statement. Thanks for finding the source.
 * The bit I removed regarding "social networking and media sharing, amongst other unannounced features" just sounds like advertising fluff - it says very little about what features are coming, or available now. On the other hand, the statement about the non-Javascript version of Yuku could be reinstated, although it's probably better suited to the Technology section.
 * I am attempting to be impartial as I always have - nothing has changed in that respect. JamminBen 09:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Good! :) As for the non-JavaScript version promised, that would be worth reinstating as it would be very interesting from a technical perspective to see that working. The problem again with that is that the source was again removed by ezboard, Inc. RichardHMorris 09:30, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I've put back the non-Javascript version plus the original link. JamminBen 09:46, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Expert in the house?
Richard, could you explain this edit please? Not sure I understand the change of owner. JamminBen 13:48, 8 August 2007 (UTC)


 * No problem: if you follow this link (or any other whois lookup) you'll see that the registrant for the domain name yuku.com is now Expert In The House, LLC and no longer ezboard, Inc. RichardHMorris 11:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the link. That is really quite odd, because there is no mention of the name change anywhere else. For instance the About Yuku page still says: Yuku is a product from ezboard, Inc. I don't think we should include any speculation as to what this may be about, but perhaps it would be worth expanding on this as it is not clear why there is a discrepancy. How about something like this: ezboard, Inc. is the owner of Yuku. However, the WHOIS record for yuku.com lists the registrant as Expert In The House, LLC. What do you think? JamminBen 13:46, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Ordinarily, I'd agree but given that ezboard's corporate team page still shows Steve DeMello as VP Operations so long after he left the company (more than two years now?), it could well be that changes may have taken place that they just haven't updated their site to show? The page you quote from refers to them making boards for over five years when it's over seven years now - that page just hasn't been updated since the early alpha/beta release (others have, so it's not a site-wide decision to adopt the over five years point). Similarly, the anonymous browsing feature isn't mentioned anywhere in their Wiki either and that's been in place since mid-July. And finally, ezboard never announced the removal of their CEO Blog from ezboard or Yuku, so why would they announce this? RichardHMorris 14:29, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I indented your reply. Perhaps the best solution would be to add the WHOIS record as the source for the owner? JamminBen 23:47, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * BTW, the ezboardcorp.com domain has also the same new owner. If ezboard itself is now really owned by someone else than the Board of Directors and/or initial investors or founder (!)...I think a better reference is needed than WHOIS, although it's certainly telling. For the article though perhaps this should have confirmation from elsewhere, a bit more notable and authoritative? Is there an expert in the house? Furoria 23:53, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't see why anyone would change it if it wasn't true, but I agree that we need a better reference than the WHOIS record. If the WHOIS was changed purely for administration purposes and were to be changed back in a matter of weeks, I don't see much point mentioning it at all. However, if the WHOIS stays the same, I think we need to know what's going on before we can determine how to represent it in the article. I don't think it can be included with no explanation because it is inconsistent with the ezboard and Yuku articles, which refer to ezboard, Inc. as the owner. JamminBen 23:40, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It seems to have changed back. Now we don't even have the WHOIS as a record. I have changed the owner on the article back to ezboard, Inc. JamminBen 23:28, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Kudos
I noticed the expansion of the kudos element of this article and the curious omission of the "Charisma" part of it (that's even mentioned in Ben's referenced article on it here). Shouldn't this element be added for completeness? RichardHMorris 19:03, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Charisma is still there. Is there anything you think we need to add? JamminBen 23:25, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * My apologies, Ben. I somehow missed the "charisma" element when comparing the changes. RichardHMorris 07:16, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No worries. I also noticed that it was missing when the recent changes are compared, but I saw it was still in the article, so I guess that's just where it stopped comparing. JamminBen 07:20, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I have reverted Askeladdeb2006's edit about Kudos being turned off in profiles and on boards: the kudos system is not opt-in or opt-out and users cannot turn off the kudos system in their profiles. The message/thread kudos system can be hidden with CSS changes to the message boards. Certainly there is nothing in the Yuku help wiki to show how to accomplish any of this so the impression given that kudos system generally on Yuku was optional was misleading. RichardHMorris (talk) 20:34, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I have again removed the misleading information about turning off the kudos system on profiles and boards. Citation will be needed to show where that feature can be turned off especially in relation to profiles.RichardHMorris (talk) 13:44, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Official Yuku communities
"During alpha testing, Yuku provided help forums similar to those at ezboard. However, in September 2006 the help forums were replaced with a wiki. This was met with mixed feedback from users. [6]

After a short discussion amongst volunteers [7] a volunteer-run help forum was set up, GetHelp. Late in 2006 a new "help and FAQs" forum appeared at The Lobby. On April 26, 2007, the Lobby and the Report Bugs forum were combined into a new board, Yuku Support. [8]"

I have a comment to this topic. Who is interested in reading the history of the support forums? It is a really boring in my opinion and must be even more boring for other people not using Yuku. If this topic need to stay, it should just be mentioning the official help forums.

Any other opinions?

Several of the links still don't work. Can I delete them? I have looked around for replacements, but cannot find any. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Askeladden2006 (talk • contribs) 10:49, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The point of the historical data is to provide the story of Yuku and how it got to where it is today. In the same way as the ezboard article covers the development of the software, this article does the same. Just because you find it boring doesn't mean that others won't find it interesting. If people are purely interested in what the product is all about today, they can go directly to the Yuku website. RichardHMorris (talk) 21:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Come on, you're not writing a history book with details about different kind of Yuku help forums. A lot is already written about the history.  The history with the help forums is off the topic and not a relevant for how Yuku has developed.  The attitude "If people are purely interested in what the product is all about today, they can go directly to the Yuku website."  Would mean lots of the articles at Wikipedia could be deleted. A description of an online service as Yuku, is not the same as going directly to the Yuku website.  And you know that.


 * It is not only me finding that boring. Actually, someone told me about this article and how boring and bad it was.  And I totally agree.


 * The same with the article about Ezboard. Extremely boring and terrible written. I don't think you should use that as a role model.--&#123;&#123;subst:Babel-7&#124;en-3&#124;no&#124;nn-2&#124;sv-2&#124;da-2&#124;de-1&#124;fr-1}} (talk) 23:06, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I think it's very important to highlight the help forums changes because they have been a very important part of ezboard's life, and now Yuku's life. There is more to software than the technology and features, support is a major factor too. This article is stating the facts; if the original sources have disappeared then that's not really the article's fault.
 * Bear in mind that the disappearing links are actually explained by the very statement you're suggesting we remove - i.e. because the forums have changed so much, any links to threads are broken whenever the move takes place. That may be worth including. You will notice that in the ezboard article there is a comment that has not been removed for this reason:
 * It is not known exactly when Vanchau left, but it is thought to be sometime in 2004 due to replies to help forum posts on the subject. Due to the active nature of the ezboard help forums and the limit of 20 pages of posts per forum, these posts have long since been deleted.
 * Wikipedia is not meant to be an entertainment site, nor is it a book you would sit down and read from cover to cover. It is a point of reference, like a traditional encylopedia or a dictionary. If people object to certain information being "boring" then they clearly do not understand what Wikipedia is for. JamminBen (talk) 00:34, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * As you know, Wikipedia is not like a traditional encyclopedia or a dictionary. One of the main differences is Wikipedia consists of high quality articles.  Not just a dictionary. High quality does not only mean accurate and validated information, it means a good article.  That is one of the reasons why Wikipedia is read by so many people.  The high-quality is often achieved by several editors working together.  The two articles about Ezboard and Yuku are dominated by two writers, you Ben and Morris.  The article may have been better if you originally had written the article from the beginning, Ben.


 * The articles are not only of bad quality, they're biased with constantly referring any information that can hint at anything negative. These articles are not telling the story as many users of Ezboard and Yuku recognize. To claim that broken links in Wikipedia article is important for the history of Yuku is ridiculous.


 * I'm so glad I speak more languages than English. I'm going to write Wikipedia articles about Ezboard and Yuku that are totally different from these articles in other languages.&#123;&#123;subst:Babel-7&#124;en-3&#124;no&#124;nn-2&#124;sv-2&#124;da-2&#124;de-1&#124;fr-1}} (talk) 08:31, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, I wrote a lot of the current article and there have been others who have contributed in the past. It's not our fault if other people have no interest in contributing. If you choose to create articles in other languages, will you be writing the articles on your own? As you say, articles are better quality when written by more people - so wouldn't it be better to try and help us than do your own thing?


 * If you believe the article to be of low quality then it would be easier to just go ahead and edit it, but please don't remove entire sections. If there is anything that could be worded better and we can't agree on the wording simply by editing the article, let's discuss it here. Looking at your original example, perhaps this should be removed: This was met with mixed feedback from users. The rest is accurate information and not intentionally negative. It simply illustrates the changes to the help forums. I have reverted the revenue sharing comments - sorry Richard, but that's supposed to be a list of which features are in Yuku, rather than which ones are not. Perhaps it could be shortened and put into the earlier mention of Demofall?


 * One final point; it is not particularly constructive to hear that certain unnamed people found the article boring. If they wish to sign up and contribute then that would help. If they do not wish to contribute to improving the article, is it relevant to bring up their comments here? JamminBen (talk) 10:44, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I have never written any articles in Wikipedia alone. Other editors have always come to help and together we have made some great articles.


 * If you have noticed, I am trying to help you make in this article better. But you disagree in everything I'm doing. To improve your writing it is a good idea to listen to criticism and not immediately being defensive.  I have a lot of experience in writing articles the last 30 years.  I'm sorry if I'm hurting your feelings, but this article really need an improvement.


 * I don't think it is very tempting for others to help. I feel I'm wasting my time and energy in arguments.  What has happened to you Ben?


 * Take a look at to the article phpBB. Nobody's talking about the history of their help forums as far as I can see.  And take a look at that hopeless help forums at the same time: phpBB help forums


 * In my opinion it is more relevant to describe how the help forum's work rather than their history of how they developed during Yuku beta. Let us be constructive instead of wasting time and energy.  So thing I don't have a lot of because I'm not using my hands like you are.  I'm using a dictating program and I am dictating in another language than my native language.--&#123;&#123;subst:Babel-7&#124;en-3&#124;no&#124;nn-2&#124;sv-2&#124;da-2&#124;de-1&#124;fr-1}} (talk) 12:22, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * totally agree with Ben regarding the last change about advertising revenues. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Askeladden2006 (talk • contribs) 12:29, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I have made some further edits (not just the revenue sharing change). See what you think. JamminBen (talk) 12:49, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * That is great, Ben!


 * I also suggest having a screenshot of a profile that is customized?


 * Besides I suggest to have some information about an administration and a moderator tools that Yuku has and ezboard didn't have. As administrator tools I suggest mentioning backup tools, domain hosting, member management, IP search, design look and feel. As moderator tools I suggest mentioning splitting and merging topics.


 * Also, shouldn't there be more about image hosting for members?


 * All of what I mentioned are features that Ezboard didn't have. There is probally more, but that is just something that sprang to my mind, if that is an English expression.


 * I've also noticed that the tags catch the Google crawler. But I don't know how to validate that as a fact.&#123;&#123;subst:Babel-7&#124;en-3&#124;no&#124;nn-2&#124;sv-2&#124;da-2&#124;de-1&#124;fr-1}} (talk) 15:43, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Any suggestions for which profile to show a screenshot of? It might be best to ask someone first before uploading a screenshot of their profile here.
 * I added a link to the ezboard-yuku comparison list at the top of the features section. I don't think the whole section should focus on what Yuku does that ezboard doesn't do. For the time being I have mentioned image hosting in the profiles section, and added a section for domain hosting. Split/merge and member management would be good to include too. IP search could be incorporated into member management. We can add more features, but bear in mind that the more features are listed, the more the article may start to look like a big promotion for Yuku. We don't want that as it will put the article in danger of being flagged for deletion. There is a balance that may take time to get right. Just trying to be careful! JamminBen (talk) 23:17, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The important thing is to keep the information factual, accurate and if possible validated. We are not supposed to endorse anything.  And we are all free to go edit about any of the other online services.--&#123;&#123;subst:Babel-7&#124;en-3&#124;no&#124;nn-2&#124;sv-2&#124;da-2&#124;de-1&#124;fr-1}} (talk) 09:22, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Features
I'm starting a new discussion as the previous one had become quite long, and it wasn't about the official communities anymore.

A couple of comments I made about the Features section:

''Split/merge and member management would be good to include too. IP search could be incorporated into member management.''

Anything else? JamminBen (talk) 01:49, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Good idea, Ben! Thank you!

I wonder if it would be an idea to have one section about community features an other one about profile features?

Also, take a look at the phpBB

See to what extent they mention the features. They also link to the service itself.

Some of phpBB3's major features include: Modular design for the Admin Control Panel, Moderator Control Panel, and User Control Panel. Support for multiple database management systems , Ability to create custom profile fields. Greatly expanded permissions  system. The phpBB website includes a non-exhaustive list of phpBB3 features . A comparison page  is also available on their website, comparing the features between phpBB3 and other bulletin board systems. Support for phpBB3 can be obtained in the official phpBB3 Support forum . Full documentation , flash tutorials , and a knowledge base  are also available. &#123;&#123;subst:Babel-7&#124;en-3&#124;no&#124;nn-2&#124;sv-2&#124;da-2&#124;de-1&#124;fr-1}} (talk) 12:56, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Backup Tools Are Yuku board admins now finally able to backup their boards to their own PCs as promised? Askeladden mentions backup tools in the Admin CP, so presumabky this is what she means?

Advertising Revenue Sharing This was the major selling point at DEMOFall 2005 and the feature that got all the press outside ezboard and might well have pricked people's interest in the product. It was, after all, what was supposed to make Yuku "better than free".

Image Hosting If we're charting the development of the features that Yuku has, shouldn't the massive and unannounced reduction from 1TB to 30MB be mentioned?

You are raising a very interesting question. How do we get the correct information here? How do we get information about the backup possibilities? How did you guys get your recent information so far? Because we would want it to be accurate.

In my opinion the features should be divided in one part for the accounts in another part of the community as.--&#123;&#123;subst:Babel-7&#124;en-3&#124;no&#124;nn-2&#124;sv-2&#124;da-2&#124;de-1&#124;fr-1}} (talk) 16:29, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Editors
Note that Ben and I are not the only editors of his article over time: a number of ezboard's staff have edits to their name (or IP address) as well as other contributors. RichardHMorris (talk) 23:42, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Objectivity is lacking
I'm an administrator on a large ezboard forum that was involuntarily switched to yuku last week, with no warning. The change has been a nightmare for me and my fellow admins. Some of yuku's recent actions are so self-serving that it wouldn't surprise me one bit if yuku employees were monitoring this article and changing it to suit ezboard/yuku's interests. You can see users' complaints at yuku's bugbase forum. yuku is still in beta and has lots of problems. A few examples: users can't stay logged in; access to forums is unreliable; a shamefully one-sided Terms of Use agreement, introduced today, is a condition of using the service, even for posting a complaint; boards that paid for ad-free status at ezboard will no longer have it; personal profiles carry ads, even those of paid subscribers, and the user has no say in selection of ads. (The new Terms of Use say yuku owns your profile.) The "revenue sharing" with board owners that the article mentions? There's no such thing.

The article reads like a promotion for yuku. I see that other Wikipedia editors suspect vandalism. May I suggest that corporate vandalism is a strong possibility?

Cognita (talk) 07:32, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

And what exactly do you consider vandalism in the current article? Neither Ben nor Morris are active users at Yuku. How could they possibly do any vandalism to this article?

Don't you think you are a bit biased since you never wanted to move from Ezboard ? why didn't you choose another online service? There are plenty to choose between. If the current situation is so terrible for you, I think it strange that you didn't move to another online service.

All the screaming in the bug forum or in the lobby is not giving a balanced impression of Yuku. All the pleased Yuku members are not posting there. My board was moved one year ago and I have not experienced any major problems that were not immediately corrected. I don't recognize your description at all. And why on earth would that one ad in the profile bother you? as far as I remember we had ads at ezboard. No one had ads free status without paying for it.--&#123;&#123;subst:Babel-7&#124;en-3&#124;no&#124;nn-2&#124;sv-2&#124;da-2&#124;de-1&#124;fr-1}} (talk) 18:20, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't know who Ben and Morris are, and I didn't name anyone. A suspicion of vandalism was already in the air; please see earlier sections of this talk page, referring to the whole article being deleted or replaced.


 * Before you accuse me of bias (well, it's too late, you already did), consider that the article says only good things about yuku. If that isn't bias, what is? Wikipedia asks for a neutral point of view, which the article hardly displays. In fact, many users are angry. I guess I failed to mention that security settings came apart in the move, and our administrative forums were open to members who shouldn't have seen them. yuku is investigating. A Google search found that this has happened before.


 * Why would an ad in my profile bother me? Umm, perhaps because, although its title is innocent enough, the link goes to a sex site?


 * Our board has been ad-free, supported by members' contributions, since the beginning. Its topic is a medical condition. We need to keep ads off it to avoid those that would hawk expensive remedies that don't work. These people advertise on Google, so that their links come up if you search by the name of the condition. We didn't move to another hosting service because our subscription was paid up for another few months.

Cognita (talk) 00:39, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

First of all, you must have misunderstood about the ads. If your community had subscribed for another few months, you will have those ad free months on Yuku. I'll use my own board as an example. We have paid for gold status until April 1st 2007. The board was moved before that. Now, my board gold status is a secured until April 1st 2008. (In addition to that I got one year of free because I was on Yuku before I had to) in April 2008 I have to pay to be without ads just like I would have to if I had stayed on ezboard.

None of your members will ever see any ads on any profiles if they sign up as a supporter.

I don't mind sex or any ads concerning sex. Besides, I'm on Yuku to be at the board's, not to read profiles. You can influence the content of your profile ad we what content you have on your profile. I have done that with mine and so have my members. I also run a board for ill people. I can help you with your profile if you want to. Then you can teach your members how they can do to avoid the ads they don't like.

If you look at the history of this article, you will see the names Ben and Morris all over. They have done a huge job with this article during several years, I think.

We have been working on making the article more objective. That doesn't necessarily mean it has to be negative. See another article phpBB, It is objective without being negative. Wiki is not about opinions, but about facts you are able to verify. I have been on wiki for many years and I'm active in three different languages. --&#123;&#123;subst:Babel-7&#124;en-3&#124;no&#124;nn-2&#124;sv-2&#124;da-2&#124;de-1&#124;fr-1}} (talk) 09:06, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Ben has been a major contributor to this article over the years particularly in relation to the technology aspects. I and others have been more involved in relation to the history of Yuku and the various elements promised and then set aside - note that the sale to KickApps was first mentioned on my blog five months before it was announced. There was a time when Yuku staff were trying to turn this entry into a full-on advert for the product and a number of others had to revert the mass deletions and edits from Yuku staff who were doing the same cleansing effort in relation to the infamous CEO blogs, the support forums and elsewhere. What we have striven to achieve is a balanced and objective article setting out the difficult transition from alpha to release - it's still not clear that it is out of beta - and I think we are almost there. What this article doesn't need are the subjective views of happy or disgruntled Yuku users: there are plenty of other places for those views to be aired. RichardHMorris (talk) 09:18, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

"What we have striven to achieve is a balanced and objective article setting out the difficult transition from alpha to release". I totally agree with you, Morris! Well done!

I wonder if you would mind me replacing the second screenshot? It is a really not up to date on the colors are ugly and not reflecting how Yuku looks today.--&#123;&#123;subst:Babel-7&#124;en-3&#124;no&#124;nn-2&#124;sv-2&#124;da-2&#124;de-1&#124;fr-1}} (talk) 13:12, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * That sounds like a good idea, but it should be a default Yuku skin rather than a customised one from a particular forum or all hell with break loose with people wanting their artistic endeavours or individual forums showcased! RichardHMorris (talk) 10:02, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I was just re-reading this section again, with the benefit of having now had our old Gold ezboard Community forcibly migrated to Yuku. Their complete failure to deliver a working Gold Yuku board is stunning, especially given the fact that Yuku/ezboard staff monitor (and indeed have posted on) my blog where I record my dealings with them. The newly migrated Yuku board has been down for 2 whole days so far this week alone and has only been functioning correctly for a few hours since migration. But given that other Yuku boards are working fine, it would be unbalanced to focus on that in the article itself. RichardHMorris (talk) 13:55, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

"What this article doesn't need are the subjective views of happy or disgruntled Yuku users: there are plenty of other places for those views to be aired. RichardHMorris (talk) 09:18, 14 February 2008 (UTC)"--&#123;&#123;subst:Babel-7&#124;en-3&#124;no&#124;nn-2&#124;sv-2&#124;da-2&#124;de-1&#124;fr-1}} (talk) 21:13, 20 February 2008 (UTC) If you don't like people to read your blog, you should not keep it on the Internet. And you should absolutely not publish the link on wiki. We could all post the link to our personal blog here, but I really don't think this is the place to post the link to my personal blog sites. You have now published your personal vendetta with Yuku/ezboard, and by that I take it you will step back from editing the Yuku article on wiki.--&#123;&#123;subst:Babel-7&#124;en-3&#124;no&#124;nn-2&#124;sv-2&#124;da-2&#124;de-1&#124;fr-1}} (talk) 21:44, 20 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Removed link to my blog. RichardHMorris (talk) 20:29, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * You can influence the content of your profile ad we what content you have on your profile. That's not strictly true: when I just looked at your profile, it was showing an advert for some sort of competition site to win an Audi A3 car and more recently an advert for a Samsung mobile with Virgin mobile. Your profile page doesn't appear to be related to Audi (or any) cars or mobile phones... RichardHMorris (talk) 20:47, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I just took a look at the profiles for my staff. And they have influenced their ads. Most of the ads are related to medical treatment or medical information.

I however, have not wanted to influence the ads on my profile. If you compare my profile to my Norwegian staff profiles, you will see how they have succeeded to influence the ads. Not, that they have done this on purpose. We have noticed the ads on our profiles the two last years and believe me the ads are influenced with the content.

By the way, you probably didn't notice my information about using campers? :-) :-) comfortable cars are extremely important when you are disabled like me. --&#123;&#123;subst:Babel-7&#124;en-3&#124;no&#124;nn-2&#124;sv-2&#124;da-2&#124;de-1&#124;fr-1}} (talk) 22:22, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I understand that the article isn't a proper place for disgruntled users to air their gripes. However, it shouldn't read like an annual report, either, or like a brochure advertising the service by describing its innovative features. To pick just one example, yuku is still in beta, despite what the article says. A banner at ezboard's site invites ezboard users to "test" yuku by migrating their boards to it. But boards are forced to migrate and to pay full rate for the service they're testing. I've seen complaints in the help forums that paying for a beta service is odd, to say the least.


 * The continuing security lapses also frighten users. I could go on, but I want to stay on the safe side, sensibly far from making statements here that might be construed as libelous.
 * Cognita (talk) 06:02, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The tricky thing with the beta issue is that no-one at Yuku/KickApps appears to want to make a decision about its status. On the one hand, the beta Yuku logos are steadily disappearing and they've now started charging for it, so in theory that should mean it's out of beta. I am not surprised that the ezboard site isn't up to date - I can't recall the last time it was within the past three or more years. But yes, it's still very buggy and not all the features are working correctly or at all (see the chat debacle), but they're beginning to not rely on the "it's still in beta" response. Unless and until KickApps new management decide to make an announcement that it is still beta or that it's out of beta, the world at large will simply have to rely on the snippets of information contained within the Yuku and KickApps sites. Presently, it appears that it's out of beta but incomplete and buggy. RichardHMorris (talk) 16:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

How to be objective? Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines
Good for you, that you removed the link to your blog. Still, you now have published your bitterness and anger towards Yuku/ezboard and I don't understand how you can be objective when you work on this article. That must be extremely difficult.--&#123;&#123;subst:Babel-7&#124;en-3&#124;no&#124;nn-2&#124;sv-2&#124;da-2&#124;de-1&#124;fr-1}} (talk) 22:31, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I started a new bulk because the other one is too long. I think it is essential to keep to the pillars of wiki. Wikipedia works by building consensus: Consensus and Policies and guidelines

--&#123;&#123;subst:Babel-7&#124;en-3&#124;no&#124;nn-2&#124;sv-2&#124;da-2&#124;de-1&#124;fr-1}} (talk) 07:44, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * No, I find it very easy to be completely objective, thank you. I have now had to remove two uncited and inaccurate statements concerning the kudos system written by you. Being able to change the font sizes in a message board system is nothing ground-breaking either: vBulletin has had this feature for years, for instance. Are you objective?RichardHMorris (talk) 14:16, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not only about groundbreaking news. It is important for disabled people to know how far Yuku is accessible. I would be very surprised if no other message board system was.

I'm sorry you're not familiar with the kudos preferences. It is obviously important to you to state how terrible the kudos system is? Why else would you protest my sentence?

I don't have your hatred for Yuku/Ezboard. That is right. I don't run a spitfull blog against Yuku. Your private problem with Yuku is something you need to discuss with them. Don't use the Wikipedia for your private battlefield.

To me and to most people Yuku is just an online service like many other online services. It is nothing I love, nor hate. It is just a tool, which is not perfect, nobody said that. I am just sharing my experience as a writer, both here in the English part and in other wiki languages .--&#123;&#123;subst:Babel-7&#124;en-3&#124;no&#124;nn-2&#124;sv-2&#124;da-2&#124;de-1&#124;fr-1}} (talk) 16:07, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I have edited the kudos section to be correct rather than continually reverting it to be incorrect. Post kudos can be turned off on boards but not on profiles. By all means if you can demonstrate that users can indeed opt out of the kudos system for their profiles then go ahead. I have no problem in principle with Yuku itself (my own experience is that it has not worked correctly or actually served pages properly since our ezboard was migrated), which is why I have striven to ensure that the Yuku Wikipedia entry is correct and to remove the advertising spin and vandalism that ezboard, Inc. staff carried out here. RichardHMorris (talk) 17:49, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I think you and I have different opinions on what is incorrect. Your last edit made it all very unclear and less informative. Since I had to correct that, the language is not as good as it was before your corrections.

I suggest you stop that whining about the Yuku vandalism. Maybe you should start a new article just about that topic? I'm sorry but the fairy tale is getting old. --&#123;&#123;subst:Babel-7&#124;en-3&#124;no&#124;nn-2&#124;sv-2&#124;da-2&#124;de-1&#124;fr-1}} (talk) 22:33, 22 February 2008 (UTC)I forgot to ask, do you want the link to profiles without kudos? Personally, I didn't have kudos at all on mine the first year. When I took a new skin it came back in and I didn't bother by removing it. Personally I cannot stand the kudos system. I think it is absolutely ridiculous.--&#123;&#123;subst:Babel-7&#124;en-3&#124;no&#124;nn-2&#124;sv-2&#124;da-2&#124;de-1&#124;fr-1}} (talk) 22:39, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I've edited the kudos section so that the article is now factually correct and reads better as well. It would be useful for the article if you could add a reference/citation to the FAQ giving the CSS code in case any Yuku user wants to hide their profile kudos. All user profiles still have kudos though. Whether the kudos system is absolutely ridiculous or not is subjective and the discussion as to whether it is better or worse than the voting system or indeed the "charisma" system that preceded both of them is another discussion for another place :) RichardHMorris (talk) 23:33, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Of course that is subjective. I'm just trying to show you I don't think everything about Yuku is wonderful. I hoped you would get that point.

I think the part about the kudos is better now. Thank you! You did a good job!

The whole point with using CSS coding is the possibilities for simple customization. You may want to add that somewhere. I disagree the article should include lessons in CSS coding. All users at Yuku get help in the skin forum if they don't know the code themselves. That is why they have that forum. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Askeladden2006 (talk • contribs) 09:17, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


 * No, I wasn't talking about actually giving the code within the article, just the citation for how to hack the profile as the Yuku Help wiki is silent and users would need to know where to look. This does have the potential to open Pandora's Box so we should be careful not to go too far with hacks/mods for Yuku otherwise we'd have to consider doing likewise for other message board systems with hacks/mods like phpBB and vBulletin, etc. Likewise, CSS is available for any website, so obviously CSS can be modified for a revised look and feel. RichardHMorris (talk) 18:01, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

"the citation for how to hack the profile.." ? Hack??? You want to be difficult now, don't you. But if you want the Yuku article to be like the phpBB article, we have a lot of work to do. We should do like them, link to all the phpBB help posts. Seriously, all people need to know is Yuku has a Yuku skin forum where they get help to customize their skin.

It is funny how you demand citations for everything you dislike in the article. I am not surprised all other editors have disappeared around here. Why don't you go work on the article about phpBB for a while. Have you tried having a board there? I have a phpBB message board, but it is not active. I could not use it with my disabilities.--&#123;&#123;subst:Babel-7&#124;en-3&#124;no&#124;nn-2&#124;sv-2&#124;da-2&#124;de-1&#124;fr-1}} (talk) 19:09, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Contrary to your opinions, I'm trying to be constructive. I know English isn't your native language, so you'll have to excuse the odd lapse into vernacular for code and css modifications. I was merely suggesting that a link to the relevant post would be useful as clearly your assertion concerning hiding the kudos element is important to you and might well be important to others who dislike the kudos system. And to answer your question about phpBB, I'm not sure what you mean by "there". I have indeed tried phpBB successfully and still run a phpBB board. I prefer vBulletin and own a number of licences for it, but it's good that there is no one monopoly board software provider. RichardHMorris (talk) 16:25, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

You are right, I'm not so limited language wise as you are. It is a blessing to be able to write articles in several other wiki languages.

Somehow I don't find it constructive to call customizing for hacking. I will go look for a link that explains what CSS is about. The article will be really messy if we are going to link to Yuku about every little tiny detail. I will see what I can find.--&#123;&#123;subst:Babel-7&#124;en-3&#124;no&#124;nn-2&#124;sv-2&#124;da-2&#124;de-1&#124;fr-1}} (talk) 08:36, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Customizing skin


 * No, that article doesn't help at all and the linked profile customisation page doesn't either (and the screenshots show the voting system which isn't in place any longer either). Hacking code is the vernacular - I'm sorry you're not familiar with the term. RichardHMorris (talk) 10:36, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

board skinsI don't want to waste my energy arguing with you. It is useless anyway. You know best. I have other things to do.--&#123;&#123;subst:Babel-7&#124;en-3&#124;no&#124;nn-2&#124;sv-2&#124;da-2&#124;de-1&#124;fr-1}} (talk) 14:43, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Kickapps
This is worded as a buy out, but it's really a merger. http://support.yuku.com/topic/6031 --24.74.36.191 (talk) 07:13, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

"As part of the merger, a new leadership team is in place "You are right.--&#123;&#123;subst:Babel-7&#124;en-3&#124;no&#124;nn-2&#124;sv-2&#124;da-2&#124;de-1&#124;fr-1}} (talk) 09:21, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I disagree: it's been sold to KickApps, the old CEO, Labatt, has left and Cameron Shaw from KickApps put in charge. Also, the Yuku annoucement says "We are now part of KickApps". As always (from the time it was ezboard to being Yuku to being KickApps' "Yuku Project" and "Powered by Yuku") the Yuku web pages will be out of date and remain so. Look also at what KickApps' CEO Alex Blum is quoted as saying here: http://www.centernetworks.com/kickapps-stats-yuku-message-board Then move on to the KickApps press release here: http://www.kickapps.com/press-releases/kickapps-establishes-clear-market-leadership-among-major-media-brands.html Note that it states clearly that "Wholly owned by KickApps, Yuku.com is the first of several planned destinations...". That's an acquisition, not a merger. RichardHMorris (talk) 18:11, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

"The success of Yuku shows that robust message boards, when supercharged with a range of social media applications, can be one of the best ways to quickly launch and grow niche communities." That is very interesting indeed, Morris.--&#123;&#123;subst:Babel-7&#124;en-3&#124;no&#124;nn-2&#124;sv-2&#124;da-2&#124;de-1&#124;fr-1}} (talk) 19:29, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, maybe you can explain in plain English what that bit of gobbledegook actually means :) My own view having now got a gold board at Yuku is that it is far from robust. Hopefully when they finally remove the bugs, upgrade the hardware and complete the promised feature set, they can make it robust and a success for the Yuku users to benefit. Maybe with KickApps on board, they will. RichardHMorris (talk) 16:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I just quoted from your link. It sounded like you thought it was a good source. Maybe I misunderstood you. I don't think you need a foreigner like me to explain the English for you.Somehow I don't think the article is based on the experience from one little tiny board like yours. Of course, again, you're bringing in your own personal misery. Do you want us all to do that?--&#123;&#123;subst:Babel-7&#124;en-3&#124;no&#124;nn-2&#124;sv-2&#124;da-2&#124;de-1&#124;fr-1}} (talk) 08:25, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Why? The part you quoted is irrelevant but you are the one who puts so much store by what you'd quoted, claiming it was "very intersting indeed". Good for you! Oh and I am rapidly coming to the conclusion with all your ad hominem attacks that your own objectivity must be questioned. You should probably step back and look at what you've written if you are going to continue to claim not to be adding bias. RichardHMorris (talk) 10:40, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Dear Morris, you keep bringing up your personal vendetta with Yuku/ezboard. You are obsessed with all your negativism. You are trying hard to find objective evidence to build your case. I repeat again, this is not supposed to be your private battleground with Yuku. Your problems with Yuku needs to be discussed with them. Not with me. Not here. I'm very sorry you had this negative experience, but I assume you are a grown-up person who understand you have a choice. No one is forcing you to have your board at Yuku. No one is forcing you to work on this article.

Editing at wiki is supposed to be a positive experience. You are supposed to enjoy yourself together with others. This nitpicking of yours is not very enjoyable. I understand you want me to disappear like everyone else have disappeared. Even Ben has disappeared now. That is really sad and it's not serving the interest of the readers.

I don't see where I have attacked you? This discussion is a waste of energy. PS. You probably think being positive is the same as being biased. It doesn't mean I'm not critical. All I have to achieve is a furious Mr. Morris chasing after me. You have already found my profile on Yuku.

--&#123;&#123;subst:Babel-7&#124;en-3&#124;no&#124;nn-2&#124;sv-2&#124;da-2&#124;de-1&#124;fr-1}} (talk) 14:23, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Wow! I suggest you take a few deep breaths and relax after that flurry of edits! I haven't brought up anything: you're the one who keeps suggesting - and then repeatedly mentioning - a "vendetta" and "personal battleground", not me. FYI Ben hasn't disappeared: I'm sure he's still keeping an eye on the technical aspects of this article as he always has. Read your comments like the ones you've added and edited here today and see where the ad hominem attacks have been made. I am far from furious: why would I be? All I see is you in a frenzy. Oh and don't flatter yourself that I'm chasing you. Clearly you already know all about me if you've decided I have a vendetta - I see you've done your own chasing already... Now calm down, take a deep breath and step back from the keyboard. Then when you have something worthwhile and unbiased to contribute, feel free to join in. Just make sure it's in accordance with the Wikipedia guidelines as well. RichardHMorris (talk) 15:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm really sorry if I hurt your feelings in any way. I just thought it was extremely biased to bring in your personal blog. That brought in the vendetta. If you go back here you will see I defended you before that.

I talked to someone that praised you and I was very disappointed when you brought in your blog. I know you removed it, but then I had already read it.

I have never looked you up and all I have read from you is the blog you posted. I understand you are a very knowledgeable guy and I think all this energy could produce several good articles on wiki. Instead we are wasting our time on this talk page.

I'm sorry for the edits, but as you probably know, I'm not using a keyboard at all. I'm using a dictating program at it is extremely difficult. I'm even dictating in my second language. My accent is creating problems. :-) I think I should keep to my articles in Italian.--&#123;&#123;subst:Babel-7&#124;en-3&#124;no&#124;nn-2&#124;sv-2&#124;da-2&#124;de-1&#124;fr-1}} (talk) 15:34, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * È benissimo. Non si preoccupi. RichardHMorris (talk) 16:31, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * He he he... that was a good try! :-) :-) --&#123;&#123;subst:Babel-7&#124;en-3&#124;no&#124;nn-2&#124;sv-2&#124;da-2&#124;de-1&#124;fr-1}} (talk) 18:59, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * ~:0) RichardHMorris (talk) 21:53, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I haven't disappeared on purpose; it's a question of time. There is just too much discussion going on for me to jump in at the moment given my other priorities at the moment. If there's anything that could do with an additional opinion, if you start a new section I'll keep an eye on it. JamminBen (talk) 22:43, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Updating image
I'm not really pleased with it, but at least it is up-to-date 2008. Maybe you can do it better, Morris. Check it out, Boss! :-) :-) --&#123;&#123;subst:Babel-7&#124;en-3&#124;no&#124;nn-2&#124;sv-2&#124;da-2&#124;de-1&#124;fr-1}} (talk) 20:27, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what the screenshot actually achieves, frankly, but as you say, it's up to date now. RichardHMorris (talk) 16:08, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

"Pricing" section needs rewording
"As with ezboard, free Yuku boards are supported through advertisements. An ad-free board costs $6/month for up to 50,000 page views per month. Communities that generate more views than this limit are instead charged at a rate of $0.20 per 1,000 ad-pages served."

Actually, that's $0.20 per 1,000 ad pages not served. Boards pay to remove ads, and a community can show ads selectively to categories of viewers. How about this: "Communities that generate more than 50,000 views in a month are instead charged $0.20 per 1,000 page views for which they choose ad removal."

Cognita (talk) 03:13, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Good point. I think that edit would be more accurate. RichardHMorris (talk) 09:52, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll install it. Cognita (talk) 23:13, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Yuku or phpbb?
Can someone please tell me what the Difference between Yuku and phpbb is. As in which is easyer to use, what is better, ect...--Lolitologist (talk) 14:21, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Reliable sources?
There appears to be zero RS coverage of Yuku. Is there any evidence of notability in the wider world? (There isn't at all in the references currently present.) - David Gerard (talk) 19:52, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Major format change
I just went to create a new forum, only to discover that "tapatalk" has changed and altered things to a "group" format (like the old yahoo groups), where everything posted - no matter what the topic - is in line in the same thread instead of having seperate threads and topics.

97.107.39.231 (talk) 03:05, 24 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Yuku.com no longer even redirects to Tapatalk but to "everforo.com". This article is out of date.  --Heath 216.30.158.175 (talk) 19:44, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

"Tapatalk" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tapatalk&redirect=no Tapatalk] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached.  J947  † edits 01:03, 1 April 2023 (UTC)