Talk:Yulia Nestsiarenka

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Scraggy4, can you explain why you keep changing from a category that is currently used (Belarusian sportspeople) to some empty, non-existent category (Belarusian athletes)? -- rydel 11:18, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

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Hi Rydel,

If you look at Category:Athletes you will see that all athletes are categorised under sub-categories of Category:name of country athletes|surname, first name. It appeared sensible to keep this consistent style and create Category:Belarusian athletes. You will see that this category is a sub-category of Category:Belorusian sportspeople the same as all other Category:name of country athletes are.Scraggy4 13:25, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

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All right. Thanks for explaining I can see some advantages and disadvantages.

Your way of additional categories is very well-suited for those countries, for which there is already plenty of information about their sportsmen and athletes. So in order, to avoid having huge number of names, it makes sense to make those categories.

In case of Belarus I think there are now bio's of 3-4 people, and maybe in the next year or two someone will write another dozen entries. I don't think it EVER will be bigger than 15-20 people. So creating additional categories for us is actually going to DECREASE usability. First of all, there will be no single list of all sportspeople. Second, for each sportsperson you will NEED to know which sport is she/he in. And then you will always have to make additional clicks.

Yes, I am still relatively new here, so you probably know the rules better. But purely from common sense or/and usability standpoint, I don't see any reason for deeper categorization.

Regards, rydel 14:36, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

What I would suggest is that she is added to List of Belarusians, which is linked from the main Belarus page, and put into Category:Belarusian athletes so that anybody looking at Category:Athletes would not think that Belarus had no athletes???Scraggy4 14:44, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

NBC on Nesterenko
Quote: "Russian Olympic gold medalist suffering from stress MINSK, Russia - Olympic 100 metres champion Yuliya Nesterenko has been taken to hospital after suffering stomach problems and stress, an official said on Tuesday." - Is there actually a limit to this ignorance and stupidity of the American journalists? -- rydel 15:33, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5876833/
 * http://www.livejournal.com/users/rydel23/300365.html


 * The report is actually from Reuters, which is a London-based international news agency. What is exactly the "ignorance" and "stupidity" of this report? --Cantus 21:25, Sep 1, 2004 (UTC)


 * Dear Cantus, the ignorance is that Minsk is a capital of Belarus, and Julia Nesterenko is a Belarusan athlete. "Confusing" countries like that is an offence to a 10 million nation. As for the Reuters I think it's MSNBC's fault. When I searched news.google.com, I saw that this Reuter's item was reprinted by 10 different media (including CNN and several Australian newspapers). And out of 10 reprints, nine had "Minsk, Belarus" and "Belarusan athelete"... While MSNBC totally screwed up. More discussion at my blog - http://www.livejournal.com/users/rydel23/300365.html -- rydel 23:43, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * I hadn't even noticed it, but you're right, this is typical of American media. They probably don't know the difference between Byelorussia and Russia. --Cantus 02:40, Sep 2, 2004 (UTC)


 * Byelorussia is some Soviet monster. The modern name is Belarus. ;)


 * I know, but the name 'Belarus' wouldn't be confused by American media as 'Russia'. --Cantus 15:56, Sep 2, 2004 (UTC)


 * Yep. Got it. Btw, that was me (rydel) above, I forgot to sign. -- rydel 17:29, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

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