Talk:Yuri Gagarin/Archive 2

Full Russian name as footnote
I moved his full Russian name and pronunciation to a footnote, to mimic featured articles (like Nikita Khrushchev, Dmitri Shostakovich, Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky, etc.). I think this reduces clutter in the opening sentence. So if there are no objections, I'll move it back to a footnote. Mlm42 (talk) 16:40, 15 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I've never had involvement in BLP FAs, but I don't like putting such information in footnotes. I'm of the mindset that the only thing that should go in footnotes are references. While his name data does take up real estate in the lead, I don't see it as clutter. I simply don't like useful information to be hidden, and with it in the footnotes, most readers will never see it as they don't expect information besides references to be down there. Additional comments are definitely welcome. — Huntster (t @ c) 17:54, 15 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Also note that his Russian name is in the infobox. I believe sometimes the reader would benefit from having things moved to a footnote. The lead should be a person's primary introduction to a topic; few English speakers would benefit from having the Russian spelling and pronunciation of his name - especially as the first things they read! But if you really don't like footnotes, then maybe we should move it out of the lead, and into the "Early life" section? Mlm42 (talk) 18:48, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Good bio of early life
This BBC piece includes much new info and comments from people close to him. Take a look! Onanoff (talk) 07:37, 4 April 2011 (UTC)


 * And another informative article: . JamesMLane t c 06:11, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Cause of Crash
One of the theories cited states that "Leonov believes the first boom he heard was that of the jet breaking the sound barrier, and the second was Gagarin's plane crashing." I hope someone check that source because sonic booms are always experienced as twin (not single) booms. So the source is questionable, depending on the time between the booms. The twin sonic booms are very close in time. See WP on sonic booms: "The "boom" is experienced when there is a sudden change in pressure, so the N-wave causes two booms, one when the initial pressure rise from the nose hits, and another when the tail passes and the pressure suddenly returns to normal. This leads to a distinctive "double boom" from supersonic aircraft."SteveO1951 (talk) 08:55, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Considering the source is a book written by another Cosmonaut, who one would expect to be intimately familiar with both the situation and supersonic aviation in general, I see no reason to doubt his reporting of event. I expect that he's taking the doubled sonic boom into account here. — Huntster (t @ c) 09:12, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Garagin or Gagarin -English transliteration
I am curious as I am not a Russian reader or speaker but in the article his name is given as Yuri Alekseyevich Gagarin (Russian: Ю́рий Алексе́евич Гага́рин. Now to my unknowing eye his last name looks as though it should transliterate to Garagin in English, not Gagarin. Is there an explanation? Dabbler (talk) 14:23, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... Not an expert on transliteration, but I can say that google searching "Yuri Gagarin" yields 1,310,000 hits, while "Yuri Garagin" yield 487. I can also say that when I've heard it pronounced by Russian speakers it's sounded more like Gagarin than Garagin. NickCT (talk) 15:00, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's Gagarin. See Russian alphabet. The Russian letter for lowercase "g", does kind of look like an "r".. but maybe it's better to think of it as being like the Greek uppercase Gamma. Mlm42 (talk) 15:37, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks I told you I didn't know Russian! I should have recalled CCCP, the Russian letter r actually looks like a p as it does in Greek as well. Dabbler (talk) 17:25, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I think you are kidding. There is no need of knowledge of russian language to understand that two symbols having the same appearance (I mean "Г" and "г" in "Гагарин") can't have different transliteration like "G" and "r" (as it would be in Garagin). So it should be Gagarin or Raragin, but never Garagin. To find it out you need only logic.--Artuller (talk) 12:43, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * G A G A R I N no doubt. "G" - "Г", "A" - "A", "R" - "Р", "I" - "И", "N" - "Н". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.41.81.109 (talk) 16:06, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 99.38.146.133, 12 April 2011
Please remove Google Doodle reference. It is a publicity seeking (i.e. marketing) activity of a commercial entity, plus one that is not considered a recognition (except by Google fans perhaps). Nor is it a rare recognition given the prevalence of these doodles.


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: how is this an insult? In a section on tributes to his 50th anniversary, a tribute on the front page of the most popular website in the world seems reasonable. — Bility (talk) 22:39, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

✅ That entire section looks like recentism, and I've tagged it as such. NickCT (talk) 12:23, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * On another note, please refer to WP:TALK and do not delete other editors' comments. I've reinserted Bility's comment. NickCT (talk) 12:25, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Conspiracy theories
Shouldn't it be mentioned that conspiracy theories state Vladimir Ilyushin could have been the first man in space? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yoshi39 (talk • contribs) 13:01, 18 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Except that this is a completely non-sense, unproven and mostly debunked rumour. It's covered in Ilyushin's article, and has no real place here. — Huntster (t @ c) 02:36, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Proposal - separate article for his death
I propose to split the discussion of the death of Yuri Gagarin and various theories regarding it into a separate article "Death of Yuri Gagarin". This is common practice in Wikipedia when the death of a person is a significant event by itself (see "Death of Osama bin Laden", for example). Having a separate article to fully survey his death will allow to bring forth differing viewpoints on the crash, while at the same time keeping the main article clean and mostly dedicated to his life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.204.55.251 (talk) 17:33, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The size of the section on his death compared to the size of the article as a whole does not seem to merit such a split. Perhaps if you have a lot to contribute to this section, you should go ahead and if it starts to burgeon, we can split it off then. siafu (talk) 19:09, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The biggest problem is that there are lots of fringe theories regarding his death, and Wikipedia is not the place to cover those. I believe the theories that are actually accepted as reasonable are already represented here. — Huntster (t @ c) 22:10, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Citation needed
"Vostok 1 marked his only spaceflight, but he served as backup crew to the Soyuz 1 mission (which ended in a fatal crash)." - citation needed. Im sure that is not true. Also, I think that mention inappropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.226.167.99 (talk) 08:55, 5 December 2011 (UTC) In fact, this is a widely known fact covered by many books. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.144.195.225 (talk) 05:11, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Religion
I was just doing some research when I noticed the rather strange paragraph in the "Space flight" section. I was not aware that Gagarin had every said like "There is no God up here." The way it is written shows some clear bias, or at least some sort of agenda.

In any case, it doesn't seem like it belongs in the "space flight" section. If Gagarin's religious views are an issue, particularly among Russians, it should perhaps have its own section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sotto voce2011 (talk • contribs) 03:15, 29 January 2012 (UTC)


 * If you were to read the whole section, you may notice that it actually says that it was claimed later that he said that, but in fact did not. There is also a source provided. siafu (talk) 05:52, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

The "no God up here" quote is often incorrectly attributed to Gagarin. He said no such thing. It was manufactured by the Soviets for propaganda purposes. Thismightbezach (talk) 22:21, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

atheism
gagarin was an atheist. we have no anyone document that he was a christianin. in russia now government and church are united, we can see a sad clericalization of society, history and biograhies have been re-write now. all speechs and interviews (for example, interview from ref-19) about gagarin's religion is a forced lie, in soviet union orthodox man can not be a cosmonaut. sorry my bad english. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.252.128.168 (talk) 20:09, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you have any third-party reliable sources to back up your claim? Or is it just your bias? We do not accept hoaxes, povs and original reasearch, this is not what Wikipedia is.-- GoP T C N 09:06, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * "in soviet union orthodox man can not be a cosmonaut" - so you think they select only atheists? Is that what you want to say? This sounds like a hoax. Interfax is a pretty reliable site, and it is extremely unlikely they write hoaxes.-- GoP T C N 09:10, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Let us read what the article says in detail: "...a 2011 Foma magazine article quoted the rector of the Orthodox church in Star City saying, 'Gagarin baptized his elder daughter Elena shortly before his space flight; and his family used to celebrate Christmas and Easter and keep icons in the house' ". This evidence is rather shaky. The so-called Foma magazine has positioned itself as a journal for Orthodox Christian doubters, that is enough to raise doubts about its credibility. Not many people in Russia have ever heard its name or seen it in bookstores. Another source, an article by the Interfax, only refers to the words of some "Father Iov", a suspicious informant, whose evidence is not supported by anyone of those who knew Gagarin in person. I guess that religious agitation and cock-and-bull stories told by some churchman do not deserve to be mentioned in the article. In his book "Road to the Stars" the first cosmonaut made it clear he was far not a Christian cultist, and I have no idea why we should prefer fabricated stories to his own work. Here is an excerpt from the book by Gagarin:

""The human spaceflight dealt a crushing blow to churchmen. In a stream of letters coming to me I was pleased to read the admission of how, under the influence of science, believers had renounced god, agreed there is no god and everything associated with his name is fiction and malarkey""

It seems our hero didn't follow the path of Jesus, doesn't it? Here is the original text in Russian:

""Полет человека в космос нанес сокрушительный удар церковникам. В потоках писем, идущих ко мне, я с удовлетворением читал признания, в которых верующие под впечатлением достижений науки отрекались от бога, соглашались с тем, что бога нет и все связанное с его именем – выдумка и чепуха""

- Гагарин Ю.А. Дорога в космос. Записки летчика-космонавта СССР. — М.: Правда, 1961

I guess it is this evidence we should add to the article. Neither Gagarin, nor any other Soviet/Russian cosmonauts were known for their religiosity. Eriba-Marduk (talk) 15:18, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Soyuz 1
It is necessary to say about Soyuz 1 fatal crash in first paragraph of article about Yri Gagarin? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.49.207.146 (talk) 15:51, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I would tend to agree. The lede is meant to summarize the life of the subject and as he was not involved in the crash it has little to do with Gagarin. It could be mentioned at the appropriate spot later in the article. Lets see what others who have the page on the watchlist have to say. MarnetteD | Talk 17:04, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Pictures from mission
Can we track and upload pictures taken from on-board camera from this flight? What about video? Do we have mission control audio? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thedgm (talk • contribs) 15:07, 16 February 2013 (UTC)


 * It is unlikely that any of that would be freely licensed, and since there are freely licensed images already in the article, we could not justify including fair use material. — Huntster (t @ c) 02:32, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Real reasons of jet crash
Just today a news article was launched that Aleksey Leonov found out the real reason of crash which is almost the same as he suspected: http://ria.ru/science/20130611/942806941.html I'd edit the article but it is protected. Please include this info. Adomas.m (talk) 13:40, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

AIRCRAFT IN A SPIN
Aircraft in a spin are not out of control,unless stalled,if it`s a right hand spin,just apply left hand rudder,and pull the stick back — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.106.15.77 (talk) 21:36, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

References in popular culture
Gagarin Station is named after Yuri Gagarin within the Mass Effect universe. Its was the furthest human-made structure from Earth, used for deep space telemetry, exploration, and for conducting faster-than-light experiments too dangerous to do near more expensive assets. --72.67.93.68 (talk) 04:30, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Tributes
The final paragraph needs to be updated because the statue has moved. I suggest replacing it with:

The National Maritime Museum in London has a copy of the Yuri Gagarin Statue from outside his former school in Lyubertsy. It is on the renamed Gagarin Terrace at the Royal Observatory buildings in Greenwich and was moved here in 2013 after being displayed for 15 months on The Mall in central London.[50]

A Roding (talk) 12:29, 10 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I've updated both this and the Statue of Yuri Gagarin, Greenwich article. — Huntster (t @ c) 20:33, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Remove the "Status: Deceased
It is completely meaningless to have it. Neilaldenarmstrong (talk) 07:30, 26 May 2014 (UTC)


 * That's your personal opinion, and not standard procedure. Find consensus if you want this field removed. — Huntster (t @ c) 07:38, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Alleged statement about God
My edit about the correct attribution of Gagarin's alleged statement that he saw no God in the space has been reverted with the motivation that the source does not say anything about Gagarin. As the article mentions, however, Colonel Valentin Petrov has stated that he never said anything such, and we know that Gagarin was a Christian, so a misattribution is more than likely. The information that his colleague Gherman Titov did say exactly what Gagarin was alleged to have said is relevant to the question, and withholding the information decreases the value of the article. Jonund (talk) 11:27, 14 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I've again removed this. Jonund, this is the very definition of WP:Synthesis. The source you provided does not state that this is the source of the misattribution or that any misattribution has taken place at all. It merely quotes what Titov said, not that Gagarin never said anything like this, or anything else of this nature. — Huntster (t @ c) 00:09, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Hypoxia & too steep descent theory
I'm quite suspicious about this theory, suspicious enough to question why it is mentioned in this article. I am not an expert on fighter jets, but I am in biomechanics, so I would need some numbers of possible acceleration during extreme emergency descent for Yuri's MiG... But if this would have been a commercial airplane, the descent rate needed to make them blacking out would have had to go way beyond construction limits. Plus, making pilots descend at a rate that would render them unconscious would psychologically require severe fatigue or hypoxia, the latter sometimes causing extremely optimistic/unrealistic, fatal misjudgements. So the theory might be conclusive, assuming well-trained fighter pilots, in case severe fatigue or hypoxia would be indicated by evidence and if the MiG would allow for such a steep descent. Right now, I don't see any evidence for this in the references, unless Wikipedia counts random blogs and journals that aren't even renowned enough to have an impact factor. This one seriously makes me think of conspiracy theories without proper scientific basis. For now, I suggest removing the second sentence in the third paragraph in "Cause of jet crash", or phrasing that sentence more carefully, unless verified more properly... --Tysktjejen (talk) 03:02, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 May 2015
Please change "First Man to journey to space" to "Second man" or "First man to survive his journey to space"

Toplis (talk) 11:07, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 12:31, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

This is due to the argument of what is space? AND thus with some definitions then high flying aircraft technically enter space.

nickname
Can someone enter his nick was YURA. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/12/yuri-gagarin-royalty-new-biography says this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.191.62.147 (talk) 18:35, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Nationality
>Soviet

Russian

What about this fix? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.240.85.51 (talk) 03:22, 7 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you're trying to fix. He was born, lived, and died in the Soviet Union, so if you're wanting to change his nationality to "Russian", that would not be appropriate. — Huntster (t @ c) 04:35, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Soviet - is not a nationality, it is а citizenship. Нe is Russian. Алессия (talk) 21:45, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * You're thinking of 'ethnicity'. In English language, unlike Russian, 'nationality' refers to citizenship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.223.63.174 (talk) 08:08, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. That's utter rubbish.  "Nation-state," in English, means a country composed more or less of a single nation or ethnicity.HammerFilmFan (talk) 17:26, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you, anon, for better expressing what I could not. — Huntster (t @ c) 09:59, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * nationality =/= citizenship --41.151.24.89 (talk) 11:06, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Correct - nationality=ethnicity. The above anon was completely wrong about his view of what this means in English.HammerFilmFan (talk) 20:27, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm wondering if you're trolling. Ethnicity does not have to have anything to do with nationality. For example, I'm from the United States...my ethnicity is not American. — Huntster (t @ c) 23:40, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Nationality vs. Ethnicity It is easy to confuse nationality and ethnicity, but there is a major difference between them. Nationality (noun) is the relationship between a person and the political state to which he belongs or is affiliated. Ethnicity (noun) is the identification of a person with a particular racial, cultural, or religious group. Here are a few examples that will demonstrate the difference between the two. 1. "My nationality is Italian, but my ethnicity is Caucasian." 2. "My ethnicity is Latino, but my nationality is Brazilian." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.188.108.201 (talk) 18:42, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

So ethnic English and born in the United Kingdom. Ethic Russian and born in the Soviet Union. What part of that is difficult to understand?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.191.62.147 (talk) 18:33, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Perhaps the best policy is to avoid the term "nationality" altogether, which is in fact confusing in many federated states, and go for "A Russian citizen of the Soviet Union" or "A Soviet citizen of Russian origin", or words to that effect. Laodah 06:50, 22 August 2015 (UTC)


 * The term "nationality" is sometimes used in English to refer to either concept: ethnicity or citizenship. Fighting over what it "really" means is like fighting over whether fizzy beverages are called "soda" or "pop": it depends on who's talking. What matters here is Wikipedia policy. The Manual of Style says to identify people by their citizenship (in this case "Soviet"), mentioning their ethnicity only if it's relevant. In this case, the fact that Gagarin was Russian – rather than Ukrainian, Georgian, Kazakh, etc – isn't particularly significant, because his military service was to the USSR, and his accomplishments were done in the name of the USSR, not the Russian people. –Jason A. Quest (talk) 18:40, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 September 2015
He is an actor too, add that

2.103.213.184 (talk) 11:58, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 13:07, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

A "family" or "personal life" section is needed.
Gagarin's wife and daughters are mentioned in the "Career in the Soviet Air Force" and "Death" sections. I think they deserve better. It would be interesting if someone could add some more info on his personal life.

Henrik Zelizi, France.


 * Yuri (prn. oo/ri) is typically a Jewish name; Uri in the West. Was the Gagarin family Jewish?203.213.114.48 (talk) 01:51, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
 * No, he was not. Yury is quite a common Russian name, Slavic form of George, actually. Alex Bakharev (talk) 03:20, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Alternate history?
Editor just added a new paragraph to the Early Life section, mentioning that his family may have fled to the Urals during WWII. I'm concerned about this, as it comes from a U.S. source during a time when very little was publicly known, and thus it smacks of speculation. It's also directly refuted by any number of modern sources. So, what are the opinions on this bit? — Huntster (t @ c) 23:51, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

According to a documentary Gagarin was staged to act as the first human in space, because Владимир Серге́евич Ильюшин, a remarkable test pilot and a son of a prestigious 2. World War era Soviet aviation constructor, Серге́й Владимирович Илью́шин, lost consciousness during re-entry, but almost miraculously survived the crash. The seriously sick Владимир Серге́евич Ильюшин was not in a suitable shape for Soviet propaganda and the fact that the soviet technology failed at the very first manned flight, was not suitable either. The solution: send a new cosmonaut to space and if it succeeds, there is a sexy, healthy, good-looking cover-boy for the soviet propaganda. At some stage Gagarin found out that he has been set up and that probably was the source for his depression and alcoholism. According to Владимир Серге́евич Ильюшин, who investigated the the Gagarin's jet crash it is not sure, if it was Gagarin, who was in the crashed plane. The idea that Gagarin was actually murdered by the KGB is supported by the rumor that Gagarin threw a glass of champagne to Бре́жнев's face. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.235.216.180 (talk) 11:24, 13 April 2014 (UTC)


 * That's called a conspiracy theory and, given the magnitude of the claim, would not have a place in the article until backed by multiple reliable sources. — Huntster (t @ c) 19:26, 13 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes, conspiracy theory, but one that is gaining considerable traction. Ilyushin seems to have confirmed it to various people. One day history may be getting a great big re-write. Darmot and gilad (talk) 15:48, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Considerable traction where, with the whacky-doo's?? C'mon.  Get serious.  Without a solid Reliable Source this is just so much pablum.HammerFilmFan (talk) 17:25, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

I agree that a breaking news 1967 American article is a very unreliable source about Soviet celebrities. Being on occupied territory during WWII was considered a very serious black spot on somebodies reputation, thus, originally Soviet sources omitted the info in Gagarin's biographies. This was probably the reason for NYT mistake. There is no reason whatsoever for the Soviet biographers to manufacture the story about Gagarin living in Nazi-occupied territory. Alex Bakharev (talk) 07:58, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Addition to Tributes section
Would it be helpful to mention that a fairly large crater on the far side of the moon was named in Gagarin's honor? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gagarin_%28crater%29 76.72.3.144 (talk) 16:20, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've added a statement about it to the paragraph about other lunar tributes. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 19:12, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2016
Please change: He was the inspiration for the pieces "Hey Gagarin" by Jean Michel Jarre and "Gagarin" by Public Service Broadcasting. to He was the inspiration for the pieces "Hey Gagarin" by Jean Michel Jarre, "Gagarin" by Public Service Broadcasting and "Gagarin, I loved you (Гагарин, я вас любила...)" by Undervud (Ундервуд). Please link "Gagarin, I loved you..." to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8suI-IGW9k Please link Undervud (Ундервуд) to http://www.undervud.ru/

82.5.231.187 (talk) 22:32, 22 January 2016 (UTC)


 * ✅, but not linked to external sites per common practice and WP:EL. Band is linked to their Wikipedia article. — Huntster (t @ c) 04:15, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

"Orthodox Christian"
Gagarin never was "Orthodox Christian", it is post-perestroika insinuation. He was atheist as Soviet man and Communist party member. --KVK2005 (talk) 13:00, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Sources We have sources that say otherwise. You will need a source that contradicts this rather than just an assertion. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:01, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
 * These sources are speculative, like all the theme of Orthodoxy in Russia after perestroika (Dukhovnost, can you see). --KVK2005 (talk) 11:42, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Named after stuff
HUGE city-sized chunk of Moscow is named Gagarinskiy Raion, big enough to be a metropolis on its own... lots of other major places and things across ex-USSR and other countries too, so somebody unlock and edit the silly Sebastopol reference (tiny and minor, way less noteworthy...roughly on a scale of Harlem in NYC vs random school district in rural Wyoming) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.231.213.34 (talk) 10:10, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2016
Please change

Petrov also said that Gagarin had been baptised into the Orthodox Church as a child, and a 2011 Foma magazine article quoted the rector of the Orthodox church in Star City saying, "Gagarin baptized his elder daughter Yelena shortly before his space flight; and his family used to celebrate Christmas and Easter and keep icons in the house."

to 100% accurate

Petrov also said that Gagarin had been baptised into the Orthodox Church as a child, and a 2011 Foma magazine article quoted the rector of the Orthodox church in Star City saying, "Gagarin baptized his elder daughter Yelena shortly before his space flight; and his family used to celebrate the Feast of the Nativity and Pascha and keep icons in the house."

or at least

Petrov also said that Gagarin had been baptised into the Orthodox Church as a child, and a 2011 Foma magazine article quoted the rector of the Orthodox church in Star City saying, "Gagarin baptized his elder daughter Yelena shortly before his space flight; and his family used to celebrate the Feast of the Nativity (Western Christmas) and Pascha (Western Easter) and keep icons in the house."

The reason for this change may be difficult for a non Orthodox Christian to understand, but there is actually no Easter nor Christmas in the Eastern Orthodox Church. This fallacy is repeated by the millions in the West. The Eastern Orthodox Church, the four main centers of the five original Christian Church, that is:Alexandria, Jerusalem, Antioch, Constantinople and Rome has been without Rome, after the Great Schism of 1054AD. Christmas and Easter are abstract fallacies introduced by Rome and no related to the Eastern Orthodox Church in any way, shape or form. That being an abstract topic, again the reason for this grammatical change request, is to remain true to the name of the holiday's according to the Eastern Orthodox Church. The true and original names as translated to English are "Feast of the Nativity" and "Pascha", are being requested to be used and should the author find it required for Western audiences, parenthesis to what is thought to be related to Western holidays. Although, they are not even on the same date, nor resemble each other in any visual, traditional form.

Wikijasono (talk) 22:21, 10 May 2016 (UTC)


 * A problem here is that this is a direct quote from the source. While I could use interp to add linked and bracketed interpolations of "Feast of the Nativity" and "Pascha" in those places, I'm not sure if this is the best thing to do. I'd appreciate some comments from others on this matter. — Huntster (t @ c) 23:02, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Request is coming from a user with this single edit. Wikijasono can re-open this along with a suggestion on the approach. Otherwise, there's not much to be done here in my opinion. — Andy W.  ( talk  · ctb) 16:57, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Choice between Gagarin and Titov
I heard in a local Astronomy Society lecture how Gagarin was chosen to be first not due to ability but because they needed the man with better endurance for the second, longer flight. So I went to look for sources for that. All I could find was rumours that Titov wasn't picked due to his name (https://www.rt.com/news/339292-yuri-gagarin-myths-busted/) and a long blog post highlighting Gagarin's suitability for the inevitable fame and status as a hero (http://russianhistoryblog.org/2011/02/the-russian-icarus-how-gagarin-became-cosmonaut-1/). Doesn't look like this myth is widespread enough to merit addition, but I'm leaving this here in case anyone else stumbles across such myths and comes here to investigate. Also would be good to have some words in the article about how he was selected in the end, if good sources can be found; it currently only mentions the anonymous vote which surely wasn't the only reason. --Melarish (talk) 14:06, 26 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, I'd say these rumours fall into the "extraordinary claim" and "not very prominent" categories, and would certainly need multiple reliable sources to back them before they were added to the article. Interesting, though. — Huntster (t @ c) 16:51, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

NOT "let's go"
...LET'S ROLL / RIDE.

the verb in question (root form: ehat') is a word associated SOLELY with ground transportation, mostly vehicles sometimes mounts but NEVER ships/planes/rockets. What makes it so memorable isn't the timing but the conscious and intentional use of an error to create a colloquialism / "country flavour". Russian equivalent of hillbilly humor or sounding very very very deep south and rural, if you will.

No way a fighter pilot makes that kind of mistake on accident.

-Andrei Dioumaev 68.231.213.34 (talk) 09:59, 12 February 2016 (UTC)


 * That's true, yes. It's Let's have a ride. Let's take a ride. Literally between go and roll on wheels. Not just go which's a too common motivational phrase for a translation of this. 109.252.87.140 (talk) 14:43, 11 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Can you provide a published source which gives this translation? -Jason A. Quest (talk) 18:37, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Addition of radio callsign to "Personal life"
Yuri Gagarin held the Amateur ("ham") radio callsign of UA1LO. 2001:8003:2568:6D00:F5A1:46DD:5203:443F (talk) 20:41, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Saku ura Cart elet   Talk 23:11, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I think there's another issue here besides verifiability. This strikes me as trivial, even if true. Gagarin is notable for being the first human to fly in outer space and orbit the Earth, which he did 56 years ago; he has also been dead for 49 years. In all that time, I never heard he was a radio ham, or his callsign. Is this information really significant to him as an encyclopedia topic?
 * Wikipedia frowns on putting "trivia lists" in articles, but is wishy-washy on formulating a policy or guideline about what kind of information should be included; the closest I could find is WP:Handling trivia. It would be good to review this. Especially pertinent is the following from the section Recommendations for handling trivia:
 * Trivia that can be integrated into a relevant discussion of a specific aspect of an encyclopedia subject should be integrated into that text if it exists.
 * Do we really think Gagarin's amateur radio hobby is an aspect of his life that "can be integrated into a relevant discussion" of him as an encyclopedia subject? JustinTime55 (talk) 14:19, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Anonymous election
"When the 20 candidates were asked to anonymously vote for which other candidate they would like to see as the first to fly, all but three chose Gagarin."

Just curious: How do you keep an election like that anonymous and still make sure nobody can vote for himself? 78.52.99.21 (talk) 15:09, 31 May 2017 (UTC) Hans
 * That isn't our problem. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 16:13, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Minor quibble, but "first human in the space?"
On mobile, there's a subtitle for this article, which says "Soviet pilot and cosmonaut, first human in the space." the space. I can't seem to find it in the desktop version, and obviously I can't change it, but can somebody fix that? TheEndorphin (talk) 18:03, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
 * That's text pulled from the biographical metadata for the article, which is no longer stored in the articles, but is now stored in a central database. I've fixed it. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7327 -Jason A. Quest (talk) 18:42, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2018
Change poekhali to poyekhali under tributes on the song section Quack-BOI-quack (talk) 02:35, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done DRAGON BOOSTER   ★  08:00, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Categories
Please, add the category Russian cosmonauts. --77.230.211.227 (talk) 16:35, 22 March 2018 (UTC)


 * No, because he was not a Russian cosmonaut, he died before the fall of the USSR. — Huntster (t @ c) 23:19, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 March 2018
Add the inline link Senior lieutenant (старший лейтенант, starshy leytenant) for his promotion in 1959. Needs to be defined. I mean I hadn't heard of one and had to search for it! 81.141.61.119 (talk) 16:40, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done qwerty6811 :-) Chat Ping me 17:28, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 April 2018
Yuri Gagarin was recently honored with a statue in Belgrade, Serbia. But the statue raised some concerns, and is being remodeled (source: http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-43737372). 130.225.21.22 (talk) 09:49, 12 April 2018 (UTC)


 * ✅ Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:40, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 March 2019
He also held the Amateur radio ("Ham radio") callsign of UA1LO; use any search engine. 2001:8003:38F3:5300:7803:21BC:928F:4D3A (talk) 22:37, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
 * You'd need to "use any search engine", and provide a source, thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:40, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please provide a source DannyS712 (talk) 23:39, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

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Honorary memberships
I am inclined to remove the honorary memberships; it seems arbitrary what we include. As an example, we could include Pioneer, a communist children's society. Instead of adding a significant number of honorary memberships, I propose removing:


 * Honorary president of the Soviet-Cuban friendship society
 * Honorary Member of the Society, "the Finland-Soviet Union"
 * Honorary member of the International Academy of Astronautics, 1966

Please let me know what you think. If we decide to include, please propose some cutoff criteria for inclusion.  Kees08  (Talk)   02:03, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

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Need sources
Above a list of honours that Gagarin received for which I could not locate a source. They should be added back once a reliable source can be located. --- Coffee  and crumbs  06:58, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Order of the African Star (Liberia, 6 February 1962)
 * Gold Medal of the Austrian Government, 1962
 * Gold medal and diploma "Man in Space", the Italian Association of Space
 * Medal "For Impeccable Service", 3rd class (Soviet Union, March 1966)
 * Gold Medal "For outstanding difference" and the Royal Aero Club Diploma, Sweden
 * Gold Medal of Saint-Denis (France)
 * Gold Medal Award "for courage" of the Fund Matstsotti (Italy, 2007)


 * Of all of those, I vaguely remember seeing Order of the African Star, but I think it was worded slightly differently or something? I do not recall why I did not add it in when I found it. The rest I have looked for in the past and not found.  Kees08  (Talk)   08:09, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

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Tribute: Watches by Sturmanskie
The section on tributes, perhaps around the coin mentions, should include pointing out that Sturmanskie (sturmanskie.ru) has the rights to, and manufactures, a Yuri Gagarin commemorative watch.

50.232.240.62 (talk) 15:18, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Tributes
Would it make sense to add the Finnish rock band The Death of Gagarin (https://www.facebook.com/thedeathofgagarin/) to the musical tributes?

193.11.40.10 (talk) 10:12, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Vladimir Ilyushin was the FIRST MAN IN SPACE!
PLEASE MODIFY THE PAGE,YURI GAGARIN WAS THE SECOND MAN IN SPACE, THE FIRST WAS Vladimir Ilyushin.THANK YOU. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.166.108.41 (talk) 19:19, 2 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Nope. See Vladimir Ilyushin. Wikipedia based articles on published reliable sources, not on clickbait conspiracy theories. 86.143.231.214 (talk) 07:10, 4 December 2019 (UTC)


 * "We are willing to keep an open mind. Historical accounts have been and will be changed if evidence is provided. But in a world where the former head of the Soviet bio-weapons program has admitted that Russian ICBM's were fitted with plague/anthrax hybrid warheads; where the head of the lunar landing program has admitted the Soviets wasted billions trying to beat the Americans to the moon; where the accounts of the death of hundreds of cosmonauts, technicians, and officers in ground training and launch accidents has been admitted - would - could - such a story be still kept secret?" Astronautix. Erick Soares3 (talk) 20:36, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Cyrillic version of name?
Typically Russians (or anyone whose name is natively written with a different script to Latin) have their name in Cyrillic script next to the romanization, and yet Gagarin's page does not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.67.91.15 (talk) 17:02, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

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Nationality
Yuri Gagarin was in fact a Soviet Cosmonaut 122.60.7.59 (talk) 03:56, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * He was also an ethnic Russian who lived in the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic, in an area that is now Russia. "Russian" describes him accurately. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 20:57, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The nation he lived in for the entirety of his life was the Soviet Union. He should be referred to be his nationality, not his ethnicity. It wouldn't be appropriate to refer to Barack Obama as an "African-American politician" in the lead first sentence of his article, for example. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 21:18, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The second sentence of that article is, "A member of the Democratic Party, Obama was the first African-American president of the United States." -Jason A. Quest (talk) 17:11, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, he is commonly defined as "Soviet".--Mhorg (talk) 18:24, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * He is also widely identified as "Russian". Maybe we should include both pieces of information about him? (See Alexei Kosygin for example.) -Jason A. Quest (talk) 20:12, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Kosygin was born in a nation called "Russia": the Russian Empire. Gagarin only lived in the USSR. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 20:19, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't mean it's not appropriate anywhere; for Obama, it's a very important characteristic. Similarly, the Gagarin article should note that he was ethnically Russian and born in Russian SFSR somewhere, as Obama notes similarly he was born in Hawaii. Just not in the opening sentence. It's blunt and needlessly confusing. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 19:41, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * However, the text of the article now doesn't state his ethnicity, except by inference. The word "Russian" is only used to describe other things/people: not him. The "early life" section doesn't even make it very clear that his birthplace was in Russia ("situated along the path of several invasions into Russia" could be a country you'd cross on the way, such as Belarus or Ukraine). The reader would need to click a link or refer to the infobox to confirm which SSR it was in. Frankly, the article reads like we're deliberately avoiding mention of it, which seems odd when his background as a working-class Russian boy was part of the propaganda appeal of his selection for the mission. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 22:38, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * As I said, I have no issue adding it elsewhere in the text. I think you're misinterpreting the lead sentence of not just this but most biographies. Nearly universally, they include the nationality, not the ethnicity, of the person they describe. During Gagarin's life, there was not a sovereign state called "Russia." There was the Soviet Union. Before that, there was the Russian Empire, and after that, there was the Russian Federation – both of these are commonly referred to as Russia and as such people who lived in both are identified with both (i.e. Alexei Kosygin, Mikhail Gorbachev). However, it is very uncommon to refer to someone by either their ethnicity or the subnational unit they lived in in the beginning sentence. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 22:46, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * "As I said...." Yeah, I understood it the first time, and I didn't object. I was trying to move on and address the problem created by changing it. If you have no constructive comments about how to do that, I'll just fix the article myself. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 14:08, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 April 2021
I will provide a Cause of death section in the convenient biography of him. FuriousTroller (talk) 13:54, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Good luck. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:04, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Gagarin's height
Height 157 cm (5 ft 2 in) This is wrong info. According to unclassified sources https://ria.ru/20180412/1518483071.html http://gagarin2018.mil.ru/ Gagarin's height was 165 cm. 67.71.124.252 (talk) 01:17, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, and also at Russian Geographical Society here. But I suspect we might have 60 years' worth of Soviet propaganda to struggle against here (well 30 years' worth, anyway). Martinevans123 (talk) 19:59, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Why would Soviet propaganda say he was shorter than he is?--Jack Upland (talk) 22:40, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Gherman Titov, not 'German'
Even if 'German' is an accepted alternate spelling (ad                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          a strange one for a Soviet citizen of the post-war era), the name is spelled Gherman all throughout                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                his article.

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 * The exact transliteration of his name "Герман" is "German", though it is also spelled as "Gherman" (probably to avoid confusion in English with "German" used to refer to Germans). In Russian there is nothing strange about it because "German" is a name. Mellk (talk) 06:49, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

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Urinating on a bus tire
Should this be included?--Jack Upland (talk) 22:46, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes. I just came here to say how odd it was that it wasn't mentioned. It may not seem like a big deal to some, but it's little things like this that gives the history colour and makes it a story. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.61.180.106 (talk) 21:48, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Monuments in Barskoon, Kyrgyzstan
The Barskoon article mentions a monument to Gagarin.

There are actually 2. Atlas Obscura has an article on a boulder with Gagarin’s face carved on it. It also has a picture of a smaller, much more professionally done sculpture of the sculpture. It’s located up the Barkoon Valley.

This article is protected otherwise I would make the edit. —207.155.29.14 (talk) 18:40, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 January 2023
In "Education and early career," I believe that when describing the airman that taught Yuri Gagarin, we should use the word "Soviet" and not "Russian," as when talking about airmen, he was certainly serving the USSR as a whole, not just the Russian SFSR. Andrew Ikhy (talk) 01:00, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Mvqr (talk) 16:16, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you!! Andrew Ikhy (talk) 14:31, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

"first man to journey into outer space"
I just read this interesting biography about U.S. Air Force pilot Iven Kincheloe where it is made clear that Kincheloe was acclaimed as the first man into space. He performed history's first suborbital spaceflight on Sept 7, 1956 in the Bell X-2 rocketplane. Despite this fact, Gagarin is commonly regarded as the first man in space. While Gagarin became the first Soviet/Rusian in space, the first person to reach the thermosphere and the first person to have orbited the Earth, it should be somehow made clear that the statement "first man in space" depends on the definition of "space". Cpt Kincheloe reached an apogee of 126,200 ft (more than 38 km, some sources state an even higher apogee), well above the Liquid Water Line at ~114,000 ft beyond which liquid water cannot exist, and above most of the ozone layer. 212.186.15.63 (talk) 05:13, 14 May 2021 (UTC)


 * The Kármán line is at 100km, well above the 38km reached by Iven Kincheloe 176.175.75.235 (talk) 15:31, 21 March 2022 (UTC)


 * The Kármán line isn't at exactly 100 km, it's just where the FAI defines "the" Kármán line and space boundary. In fact, each plane has its own Kármán line and it is usually lower, closer to 85-90 km. But obviously the FAI didn't hold human intelligence in high regard, otherwise if it wanted a nice round number it could have picked 90 km, 300K ft, 50 nmi or 60 mi. Bob White certainly went above the Kármán line in his 315K-ft-flight in 1962. 2001:4BC9:A44:467D:3D40:B57B:68AC:7C39 (talk) 09:04, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Minor change to address possible readability issue
In the "Personal life" section the following sentence can be found:

They were married on 7 November of the same year, the same day Gagarin graduated from his flight school, and they had two daughters.

I don't know if i'm at fault, but it's somewhat difficult to read in it's current form. I want to propose something like this to be put in its place:

''On November 7th of the same year, they got married, which happened to be the same day that Gagarin graduated from flight school. They went on to have two daughters together.'' SPARKY358 (talk) 15:54, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Citation 94 invalid
I clicked on the link and the website claimed that the page did not exist. Dunno if I should remove it or not. 160.119.125.95 (talk) 12:49, 18 November 2023 (UTC)