Talk:Yvonne Ntacyobatabara Basebya

Notability
Hi all,

Just wanted to start a discussion about notability. I'm going off the page Wikipedia:Notability (people) > Crime victims and perpetrators, point 2 ("The motivation for the crime or the execution of the crime is unusual—or has otherwise been considered noteworthy—such that it is a well-documented historic event. Generally, historic significance is indicated by sustained coverage of the event in reliable secondary sources which persists beyond contemporaneous news coverage and devotes significant attention to the individual's role") seems to fit more closely here, though it is also that the conviction was the first of its kind in the Netherlands and was also important in establishing the role of national courts in trying crimes relating to genocide (and for universal jurisdiction) [see the academic articles cited in the article].

It also seems most appropriate to me to have a biography, as the issues were particular to Basebya's role as an individual--not as part of a coordinated effort (which might better included in a page on political parties).

Thellomerca (talk) 00:09, 5 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @Thellomerca: I think that the section that you are referring to, Notability of Crime victims and perpetrators, needs to be read in conjunction with the advice about notable criminal acts, as well as advice about biographies about living people notable for a single event and the more general advice about biographies about people notable for a single event. One also needs to consider if the subject is or was a low-profile individual, or a public figure. In the case of the latter class of person, there are likely to be many sources that one can draw upon to write a biography. As the wife of a politician, and also with her direct involvement in Rwandan politics, it is likely the subject of this article is a Rwandan public figure. The article should explore the subject's actions, such as incite genocide by her singing songs; explaining when she started to do so, and how long this continued for. Public performances that were reported at the time, or subsequently, for example, would be additional events, and contribute to the subject's notability. The issue of notability also depends on having a multiplicity of sources that provide a diversity of views about the person or events being covered by a Wikipedia article. Whether you choose to concentrate on writing a biography or are merely satisfied with writing about the criminal acts the subject perpetrated, and resulting precedent-making trial, this subject appears to be notable to me. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 09:40, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Cameron! Thanks for reasoning this out so clearly. I agree that the article would benefit from expanding the section on her activities before and during the genocide. Thellomerca (talk) 02:44, 13 March 2023 (UTC)