Talk:ZEN Vision:M

Criticism Section

 * I am planning on researching the Zen's specs and correcting them on both pages when I get home. Also planning on adding a "criticism" section on some factors, including how easiloy it gets scratched. Ikki the Fox Breeder 13:41, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Almost all mp3 players scratch easily.
 * true, but the zen scratches inconceivable easily. i got micro scratches by putting it in the "protective" pouch it came with.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.118.230.101 (talk) 03:33, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe it should be the instability of the Removable Disk feature, and the slowness of the video converter. --Jw21 (PenaltyKillah) 01:56, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't know about the Removable Disk feature since I haven't used it but the video converting thing is a software issue not hardware and if it's too slow there are always several other programs that can be used and do a much better job. Other than that, video converting takes quite a bit of CPU resources so slowness may be subject to one's computer. But then again, I don't use the included software at all so I can't properly gauge it's converting speed compared to other video converting programs. PHOENIXZERO 03:22, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Article Expansion
I agree, this needs to be expanded, a firmware history would be nice I think also, including the issue of Creative removing the radio recording feature in the 30GB model, but then restoring it. With the scratching issue, that from what I heard, is a big problem. I think it might be good to mention measures that can be taken to protect it, such as the skins from Bestskinsever.com and InvisibleShield.com that, while being a pain to apply, offer a excellent protection from what I've seen and will be using myself whenever I get a ZVM, which might be soon. PHOENIXZERO 15:08, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I know this sounds dirt and all, but I propose mimicking iPod (5G)'s format for now, and then improving this article and adding any other sections. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jw21 (talk • contribs) 00:07, 30 April 2007 (UTC).
 * My post above was a reply to someone else's message and for some reason has been deleted. PHOENIXZERO (talk) 17:19, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Question
I assume it does, but can someone confirm this assumpion? This device can record the FM tuner, right? And, if so, how many programs/times can you have preset recording times for? For example, the iriver H10 20 GB player does have the ability to record the FM tuner, but it only allows a user to have one preset recording time. I think this is a piece of data that some consumers would find useful. If you know the answer, please include it in the article.--Hraefen Talk 21:09, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I was just wondering, since Creative updated their products with the new form of transfer port, is it the same as the iPod. To simplify the wording, is the port on the bottom of the Zen Vision:M 60gb the same as any iPod's? -Joefuf

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========= Question: Can someone direct me to a small, very small MP3 player that records off the air AND AT THE SAME TIME plays the recorded sound, with or without any delay, into its output interface (3.5 mm plug, for instance)? If you can, please do. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.72.123.50 (talk) 00:35, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

more info on the codecs supported
I wonder why Creative doesn't provide such info to their costumers either on the website (checked US, UK, and other European official sites) or the manual. But for some reason the Japanese site has this important information: Audio MP3(～320kbps VBR) WMA(～320kbps DRM compatible) WAV(～16bits/48kHz) Video WMV(～320x240/700kbps、320x240/436kbps recommended) MPEG4、DivX 4/5、XviD(～720x480/3Mbps、640x480/2Mbps recommended) MPEG2(～640x480/2.5Mbps、640x480/2Mbps recommended) MPEG1(～640x480/1.15Mbps、352x288/1.15Mbps recommended) Motion-JPEG(～640x480/2.5Mbps) Image JPG(～16 megapixels) It might be too technical but I believe important to many Vision M users. If someone could add this info to the Vision M wiki page that would be great! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Animaitor (talk • contribs) 01:31, 1 February 2007 (UTC). I'd like to know what the transfer rate is for the Zvm.
 * Nice... maybe Japan is a more technological country? More people would know these terms? --Jw21 (PenaltyKillah) 01:33, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

slimmer version - when?
anybody know when we're likely to see the slimmer 60gb version in the west (specifically the uk)? i want a zen, but i don't want to miss out in the slim version! grooveharder 17:20, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe soon. Right now they sell the slimmer version in Japan (but not Singapore, which is ironic). It will definitely come to the States/Britain soon. --Jw21 aka PenaltyKillah 03:09, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Why did the article title changed?

 * Proper name is ZEN Vision:M, not Zen Vision:M. Also, I found out that the Creative in Creative Zen Vision:M is the company name. While some manufacturers also provide their name as the brand name, a la Archos and iriver, Creative has never released a player under its name; instead using the brands NOMAD, Muvo, and ZEN. I know that the first few ZEN players were released as NOMAD Jukebox Zen, Zen Touch etc., but the brand changed at ZEN Micro. --Jw21 aka PenaltyKillahtalk 05:53, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Where's the 'apple lawsuit'?
I think its very important for this article.
 * No, the lawsuit has nothing to do with the player, other than the fact that that player's interface was a patented Creative invention, which the Singaporean company was suing Apple for. (Also, the ZEN Micro, Neeon, Sleek, MicroPhoto, Sleek Photo, Vision, V (Plus), Neeon 2, and Vision W have that interface too.) --Jw21/PenaltyKillahtalk'GO'NUCKSGO!!' 03:06, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I totally disagree. That lawsuit totally changed apple and creative. Because Creative designed the interface that apple copied, and because creative won, Creative now sells ipod accessories on their website. that should stay! Jackson Smith 23:05, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm... they didn't win. They just got into a settlement. Apple will pay Creative $100 million and Creative will be one of Apple's accessory-making slaves. For more information, read this. (Besides, the lawsuit affected the two companies and their line of players, not a specific player.) --Jw21/PenaltyKillahdiscuss•edits'GO'NUCKSGO!!' 00:32, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Removable Battery
The article lists the player as having a non-removable battery, when in fact the battery is quite easily removed. It involves taking the back cover off that is screwed on, but after that the battery is simply plugged in.

I don't know whether it would help or not, but there is a Youtube video showing how to replace the battery (which requires next to no technical knowledge) here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.106.130.115 (talk) 12:59, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, it might be easy to open, but I think the definition of "removable battery" means that it can be removed without voiding your warranty.

Having replaced mine, I can say it was not designed to be removable! Not that it was difficult, just that its not something the average user would/should do. Also, the article says that conversion is necessary to play most of the listed formats. I copy directly to mine without conversion, and it plays MP4, DIVX/XVID, WMV, etc - the only formats it has given me play errors for so far are HC AAC and FLV. 93.97.30.204 (talk) 11:49, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Battery type
The article says the battery type is Li-Ion but my Zen Vision M has a Lithium-ion polymer battery. Is this just an error in the article or do some players have Li-Ion batteries? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.157.160.133 (talk) 10:44, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Discontinued?
The page for the Creative ZEN lists the ZEN Vision:M under the discontinued section, yet the main article still lists retail availability as "2005-present". Anyone know where this can be verified? I suppose this information is also dependant on the market it's catered for, or does Wikipedia assume that the information relates only to the (North) American market? Eug.galeotti (talk) 06:18, 29 December 2010 (UTC)