Talk:Zak Gertler

@Edwardx why are you rolling back the edits regarding the subject's close relationship
with a corrupt politician? if it was relevant enough to write about their friendship (close) in the first version, it is definitely relevant to add context 147.235.206.46 (talk) 13:11, 18 June 2023 (UTC)


 * see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Benjamin_Netanyahu 147.235.206.46 (talk) 13:19, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
 * That is why we have links to other articles. The Netanyahu trial is major news, but this is not the place to mention it. Have reverted again. Edwardx (talk) 14:57, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Where is the link to that article here? It looks like you are protecting Gertler’s reputation, which *isn’t* on Wikipedia’s list of missions 147.235.206.46 (talk) 22:35, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The trial is ongoing, and a link to Benjamin Netanyahu will suffice. I have created numerous articles about very wealthy people, and have no interest in Gertler's reputation - I barely even know who he is. Edwardx (talk) 23:25, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The trial will go on for years and in the meantime Israel’s democracy is taken hostage. If you want to know more about the subject I will gladly elaborate, however hiding this crucial information about who is funding these crimes makes you, personally, a collaborator.
 * I urge you to reconsider. 147.235.206.46 (talk) 09:02, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * All things considered, "collaborator" is a rather unfortunate choice of word. Please read Assume good faith. If you really want to improve this page in an encyclopaedic manner, try a search engine with "Zak Gertler Benjamin Netanyahu". There is more content that could be added, without compromising Neutral point of view. Your proposed addition of "who is currently on trial in Israel for bribery, fraud and breach of trust" is not the right way to proceed. Edwardx (talk) 12:24, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Dear EdwardX,
 * I appreciate your detailed and respectful answer, I did not mean to offend you, but wanted to point at something you're missing:
 * you see, I have been going out week after week for the past 24 weeks, to protest against one the biggest wrongs in Israel's history.
 * I am not alone, there are almost 400,000 active people any many more who agree. we're demonstrating with flags, signs, trumpets, marches, drums, any non-violent way you can think of. wiki edits too, when due.
 * we're fighting for our country's existence, in any way we can. I believe you would too, if you were threatened.
 * can you imagine what it is to be banned or killed for being LGBTQ?
 * can you imagine women not allowed to have education, abortions, opinions, not being protected by law against violent men?
 * this is where we're heading, and further. a civil war is not that far anymore.
 * think of all the atrocities and injustices in human history, imagine you had a choice to help prevent it - this is one of these times, only it's happening now and can still be stopped.
 * wikipedia is a cultural bullhorn to the world, and as an editor, you have that choice exactly.
 * having said that, now allow me to differ:
 * you say my edit suggestion is not neutral - there is nothing impartial about telling facts alongside facts.
 * the currently approve version says: Gertler is a close friend of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and hosted the latter's 70th birthday at his home. how is this neutral? by the way, I'm sure mr Gertler has many other prominent friends, why are they not listed here? anyway, this is one fact.
 * another fact is that Netanyahu is currently on trial in Israel for bribery, fraud and breach of trust . this fact is as relevant to his bio as their friendship.
 * there's no other neutral way of seeing this.
 * if it is a matter of phrasing (as you can tell English is not my motherwtounge), I'll be grateful to get your assistance on re-writing ALL facts as they are. this is new to me, but I'm sure I can learn, just as I discovered I can drum on a march :)
 * thanks
 * Shirily 147.235.206.46 (talk) 15:16, 19 June 2023 (UTC)