Talk:Zaky Mallah/Archive 1

Notable
Why does this guy need an article? For one event? FunkMonk (talk) 20:58, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Why article locked?
I do not see a lot of discussion here.

Also, when I look at the history, edits seem to be removed from the history. How can that happen on Wikipedia?!

Certainly he has become more notable after the Q&A incident, which should certainly go on his page. The reaction to him by the minister was "interesting".Tuntable (talk) 01:03, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 23 June 2015
His appearance on Q&A needs to be mentioned. It was headline news. Tuntable (talk) 01:08, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. In particular, we need the exact text that you would like to add, complete with citations. — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 01:44, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Appearance on Q & A
Zaky appeared on the ABC program Q&A on 22 June 2015 where he questioned Minister Steve Ciobo about proposal to allow ministers to revoke citizenship to suspected terrorists. The prime minister Tony Abbot attacked the ABC for permitting Zaky to appear, asking "whose side the ABC is on".

In the program, Zaky asked Ciobo how the proposed laws would have affected his case (in which he was found innocent of the main charge). Ciobo replied that he wasn’t familiar with the case but would be pleased to expel Zaky from Australia. Zaky responded that he would be pleased to see Ciobo removed from Australia. Zaky then said that Ministers like Ciobo pushed some Muslims to extremism.


 * Actually while on Q&A he responded to a comment by a member of the government by saying "the [government has] just justified to many Australian Muslims in the community tonight to leave and go to Syria and join ISIL (Islamic State) because of ministers like him,” And the main charge in the original case may have been terrorism, but threatening to kill folk - which he confessed to, isn't a nothing crime either! 118.208.91.170 (talk) 11:00, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
 * It may well be a "nothing crime". I'm pretty sure that most of us have made similar threats about people we didn't like in private conversations. Have we forgotten that in 2013, Steve Ciobo himself very publically said on Lateline that Labor MPs should slit Julia Gillard’s throat? Abbott defended this and there were no calls for him to be arrested. The judge stated that he didn't believe that Mallah "had any intention" of carrying out the threats. Wayne (talk) 19:21, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Please Unprotect Zaky Mallah
I have placed requests to have this unprotected. I do not know why it was protected in the first place, the log says "Unverifiable Claims", which is hardly a reason for protection, and certainly not for hiding the history. There has been no edit waring, and no discussion on the talk page. The topic is very topical, and the page needs updating promptly. These requests are now several days old.

Tuntable (talk) 09:14, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
 * It has been reduced to semi, you should be able to edit. 07:06, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Suggested addition/ clarification of conviction history
(Note that this section is not my contribution, I have just added the edit protected request, which is why I have made it a separate request.)Tuntable (talk) 23:56, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Replace last paragraph in "First Australian charged under its anti-terrorism act" with:-

In 2005, Mallah was acquitted of terrorism related charges thought to include a potential suicide attack [4][5] In May 2005, Mallah was sentenced for two and a half years for threatening an ASIO or Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT) staff. In September 2005, his jail term was extended by 6 weeks for assaulting a prison officer. .

Done Tuntable (talk) 00:47, 29 June 2015 (UTC)


 * More on the nature of the charges should be included to clarify what was involved and why he was found not guilty.


 * After being refused a passport, followed by a death threat, Mallah, then 19, through a lawyer appealed to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal. Both Mallah and his lawyer were barred from viewing the evidence supporting the passport refusal which was upheld so he then purchased a rifle and ammunition, prepared his will and made a video to be played after he died. Mallah bragged about this and his claims were eventually brought up on Alan Jones radio program. The Australian newspaper then paid him $500 for an interview. The Counter Terrorist Command, also aware of the threats, sent an undercover officer posing as a free lance journalist to do another interview. This undercover officer offered Mallah $5,000 if he would hold everyone hostage at Asio headquarters and give the "journalist" the scoop. Entrapment of a suspect in Australia is legal if the police obtain a "controlled operations authority certificate"  however, the police did not get a certificate so the entrapment was illegal. At his trial Justice James Wood allowed the entrapment into evidence, Woods also criticized the media for accepting the claims as credible and giving them undue prominence in newspapers. At his trial the jury found Mallah not guilty of 2 counts of "committing an act in preparation for or in the planning of a terrorist act, contrary to s.101.6(1)" and Justice Wood stated that "the prisoner was an idiosyncratic, and embittered young man, who was to all intents something of a loner, without significant prospects of advancing himself. While I accept that the Prisoner enjoyed posing as a potential martyr, and may from time, to time, in his own imagination, have contemplated creating a siege and taking the lives of others, I am satisfied that in his more rational moments he lacked any genuine intention of doing so." Mallah was instead charged with "making a threat to cause serious harm to a third party: (s.147.2)" to which he pleaded guilty. These threats were verbal and were made to the undercover officer. Wayne (talk) 07:30, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Done. I have asked WLRoss to add some references. Tuntable (talk) 00:47, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Clarification of ISIS Link
Insert after second paragraph in "Joining the Syrian civil war."

Zaky says he does not support ISIS, that he "hates ISIS" and fought with the Free Syrian Army. Tuntable (talk) 00:08, 25 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Correction...Zaky Mallah never fought with the Free Syrian Army or anyone else. He spent his time on the frontline filming them for his youtube channel. He was never charged in relation to this as fighting in a foreign country was not then illegal. Wayne (talk) 06:24, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Done Tuntable (talk) 01:13, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 24 June 2015
"According to the Australian News" to "According to News.com.au -- Aronzak (talk) 06:05, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Done Tuntable (talk) 01:30, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 24 June 2015
Page is now semi protected, so you can make the changes yourself. (I think they are of marginal value.) Tuntable (talk) 01:32, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

"Mallah's analysis was that various kinds of non-violent assistance in war zones would not violate Australian law"

to

"Mallah promoted the view that various kinds of non-violent assistance in war zones would not violate Australian law"

(this doesn't violate WP:SAY - caution about interpolation is needed, this is a claim being promoted).

-- Aronzak (talk) 06:07, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 27 June 2015
Page is now semi protected, so you can make the changes yourself. (I think they are of marginal value.) Tuntable (talk) 01:33, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

The section "Fired from the ANZ stadium" does not require a definite article (it should read Fired from ANZ Stadium) or even better Dismissal from ANZ Stadium.

 Lux ure Σ  00:35, 27 June 2015 (UTC)