Talk:Zane Grey/Archive 1

Posthumous works?
Looking at the list of novels, can someone explain how Zane Grey was able to write so many novels after he died in 1939?! MakeRocketGoNow 19:23, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
 * "He was the author of over 90 books, some published posthumously and/or based on serials originally published in magazines." I guess that explains it. That'll teach me to RTFA. Still, that's a lot of posthumous work! MakeRocketGoNow 19:23, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

16:30, 18 December 2005 (PST) Many of his manuscripts were never published. While he was alive, only his most successful manuscripts were published as novels. After he died, those unpublished manuscripts eventually made it to print.


 * In Grey's Altadena home there is a large wing that he had added on referred to as his studio. The upper level is a ballroom sized studio large enough to entertain 100 people. There he had a swing-open cabinet with tin-lined pigeon holes large enough to hold manuscripts, and enough to hold 40 or 50 manuscripts. His son Romer was the last Grey to live in the houdse and I am sure he was able to control distribution of the manuscripts after his father's death. These manuscripts have all found their way to auction, to say, that not one is left in the home. The present owner who bought the house from Romer had found these manuscripts available for price tage ranging from $25,000 to $40,000 which kept her and her husband from ever acquiring one.


 * The home also sports a small elevator by the main staircase which helped the ailing Mrs. Grey to get from floor to floor.Magi Media 11:41, 8 July 2006 (UTC)Magi Media

The article should mention where all this posthumous material is coming from (it's like a third of the guy's output) and why he chose not to publish it earlier. Did Grey consider these manuscripts inferior/unfinished or was he and/or his angent/editors/whoever avoiding oversaturation? Also, what does "based on serials" mean? "Based on" implies to me that the dude is going back and rewriting/reshaping things (& he can't do that when he's dead). Maybe I'm just being picky but the wording makes it seems like it isn't the same thing as a 'serial novel'. I'm not going to change the phrasing because I haven't read the book and don't know what's up. It'd be great if maybe someone could note which books were published as serials + original publication medium & date(s). This is the first time I've posted anything on a discussion page & sorry if there is a format or etiquette or anything I should've followed & didn't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.251.52.118 (talk) 07:35, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * If all these posthumous works were indeed penned by Grey, it would make more sense to give the years in which they were written rather than the years published. Or perhaps both years could be given, but the year of authorship is important, if only to establish that these posthumous works were actually written by Grey, and not cobbled together by various ghost writers from incomplete notes or rejected manuscripts that Grey may have left behind.
 * Without that information, there isn't any way of telling that Zane Grey westerns aren't a phenomenon similar to Sherlock Holmes, where we have hundreds of stories and novels, but of which A. Conan Doyle himself only penned 54 stories and 4 novels. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.249 (talk) 23:30, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Zane Grey Writing style
Why is it that his writing style is so feminine? Did his wife the almost-school-teacher write as a an unnamed co-author or author with his name? The style of Georgette Heyer is similar but much cleaner and smoother.Hunter of Truth 04:25, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Zane Grey's style was of a profoundly psychological bent, his son, Dr. Lauren Grey was Emeritus Professor of Psychology at UC Riverside. In discussion with Dr.Grey I suggested that he was similar to his father, he looked at me quite shocked and stated words to the effect that they were worlds apart, he a Psychologist, his father a (mere) Writer. In reading and re-reading Zane Grey I aware of a profound subtext to his work, The Search for Meaning, maybe in a populist but relevant tone. do not forget that hi lived and wrote in the days of Jung, William James, Freud, Adler, and many others, Faulkner, Hemingway, all searching for answers. He explored areas of social change such as Womens Rights, Mormons, Unions, War and he wrote from impeccable research, many of his stories were based on true events, however stylized his words may have been. It is a pity a Publisher, rather than close family, don't own the rights as they are ripe for this age we live in. But don't take my word for it, read them. The femininity alluded to was a troubled man, drawn to beautiful young women, who could not hide himself in his words. He was certainly in touch with the feminine aspects of his psyche. Healthily so? Not for me to say. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiwicafe (talk • contribs) 09:52, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Ancestors
In his novel „Betty Zane“ he says in chapter 1 that the family is of Danish origin. Zane was an aristocrat which had to go into exile. He came with William Penn (remember Zane Street in Philadelphia). “Being a proud and arrogant man, he soon became obnoxious to his Quaker brethren (citation)”. 89.54.27.66 (talk) 08:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Zane Grey.....imperfect yet perfect
I only wish that I had the ability to write the way my literary hero Zane Grey did. And being as I had very little education my command of the english language is extremely limited. However I will say a few simple words from a simple mind about a great and gifted author.

I started reading Grey's books when I was a boy in the 1960's and fell in love with his books. I read also many other authors such as Louis Lamar and Max Brand and many others. However, none of them captured my imagination the way Grey's books did. None of them had the ability to couple hard riding action, discriptions of the scenic settings and romance among so many other thrilling aspects of his books.

For many years I got away from reading any books but as of the last several years I have returned and what can I say.....I'm hooked on Grey! I try to read others but its just not the same.

I am now trying to collect at least one of every book he wrote. I think I have most of his westerns and a couple of his fishing books. I also have two biography's.

When I think of his early start and how the publishers were so critical and literally turned down his good works it makes me see red as it did him. What were they thinking? I realized it is their business and they are the experts but the numbers soon began to speak for themselves as his popularity gained momentum.

And the literary critics of that time that slammed him and belittled his works!....what's up with those guys? Were they just jealous of a huge success story? Again, I know that they were from extreme intellectual circles and in their minds they probably saw all the imperfections of his writings but nobody can dispute or takeaway the fact that he was the most read author .....ever.....for thirty years other than God himself with the Bible!

Zane certianly had his imperfections and being raised in the home that he was with all of its discouragements and cruelties, I would say that he rose above it all.....perfectly.

My only regret that I see about all of his work was his apparent lack of faith in a God that made all the beauty that he could so wonderfully discribe. I hope that in his last days he found peace with God and I can meet him in heaven.

Like I said, an imperfect man and to me a perfect author. Gary —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.183.212.105 (talk) 20:44, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Accuracy of quotation
"The so-called civilization of man and his works shall perish from the earth, while the shifting sands, the red looming walls, the purple sage, and the towering monuments, the cast brooding range show no perceptible change.” Could someone please check  this quotation; the part "the cast brooding range" seems suspect to me.211.225.34.170 (talk) 08:50, 19 February 2011 (UTC) When i look at my keyboard, I see that C and V are neighbors.  Should it be "vast"?  That, at least, is what revmoore.blogspot.com/2008/08/zane-gr...  has. 211.225.34.170 (talk) 08:55, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done. Corrected it to say "vast". If you do a Google search on these words you can see them in the Pauly book. - GroveGuy (talk) 04:16, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Radio
In addition to what is mentioned in the article, the BBC broadcast its own production of Riders of the Purple Sage (excellent even by BBC Radio Drama standards) circa 2001. I'm pretty sure it was the output of the Classic Serial department, and broadcast in two episodes, each close to an hour long. Grubstreet (talk) 13:26, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

The Lone Ranger/ The Lone Star Ranger
Is there any evidence that The Lone Star Ranger was the basis of The Lone Ranger on TV, as stated here? It's not mentioned anywhere that I can see on the Lone Ranger article, and I've not seen it anywhere else... Jock123 (talk) 16:54, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, it looks very likely, but unless it can be sourced, not encyclopedic.Rags (talk) 08:01, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

The Rustlers of Pecos County
...isn't in the bibliography. Perhaps that was intentional, because it seems to have been a re-packaged version of another pair of stories that Harper joined and published as one.

All very confusing. Someone familiar with Grey's works might wish to add a short section to clear up the confusion surrounding the several books or parts of books that have been mixed and matched. Tito john (talk) 05:50, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Womanizer
Zane was reportedly quite the serial womanizer, and reportedly took many extended trips with various women while married. While one affair is mentioned in here, I think more about this aspect of his life should be mentioned. Thomas Pauly wrote a book that talked about some of this, and it should also be added to the "Further reading" section. Also, evidently his wife Dolly, was quite the saint and put up with his dalliances. Apparently, she was also quite the woman behind the man, and I think that more info about this special lady should be included in the article.

Listed book dates
I have several original or second edition Zane Grey novels that are printed much earlier than the dates listed in this article. One in particular is Rogue River Feud with a 1929 copyright by Curtis Publishing company. Since these belonged to my father who was born in 1908, he must have bought them back then. Is that cause to edit the date column? CALNNC (talk) 15:41, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Rogue River Feud was originally published as a serial beginning in December 1929 in the journal Country Gentleman under the title Rustlers of Silver River. According to Zane Grey's West Society, the first printing of the book Rogue River Feud was published by Harper & Brothers in April 1948 (the publication date) listing the code letters C-X (indicating a March 1948 press date). The 1929 copyright date simply indicates when the author copyrighted the first installment of what would later become the 1948 novel. I'll add a sentence to the Works section lead and a reference clarifying the dates. Bede735 (talk) 22:39, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

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The Last Trail
The link is to the movie, not the book. The movie poster says "Zane Grey's The Last Trail", but going by the picture on the poster and the list of characters, there seems to be no relationship at all to the book. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.255.171.122 (talk) 17:34, 25 May 2020 (UTC)