Talk:Zef

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I have never heard of Zef being associated with Joseph and maybe that's my own shortcoming, but FYI Zef is akin to "chav" or "redneck" in some parts of the world. See Bogan -- 41.242.55.46 (talk) 19:58, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * In fact the Word Zef doesn't occur on the article that is redirected to, ie. Joseph -- 41.242.55.46 (talk) 20:49, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The original wikipedia search for Zef returned the page for Joseph. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.209.71.138 (talk) 14:04, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Why is this an article about Jack Parow and Die Antwoord? And why is there an "associated artists" section? WikiMot (talk) 16:51, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Who the hell wrote the Meaning section? Reads like a child would write, and it contradicts the fact that the article "explains" zef in the Origin section quite well I thought. LegoTrip (talk) 17:53, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * FWIW after 5 years, in Dutch (presumable Afrikaans as well), Zef is indeed short for Jozef, the Dutch variant of Joseph. -- Sander (talk) 09:19, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Zef may indeed be a nickname for Jozef (Joseph), but it's irrelevant in relation to this article. Centerone (talk) 05:31, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Not notable; specific to Die Antwoord & related acts?
I'm not sure this subject is notable. I can't find any use of the term which doesn't link back to Die Antwoord or acts related to Die Antwoord. I strongly suspect "Zef" is an invention, a fantasy, of Die Antwoord and acts related to Die Antwoord, and that no such culture actually exists in any significant way outside the DA bubble. That's not to say it isn't without merit - creating a vibe is a common and successful tactic in pop music - but it is to say, there are no reliable, independent 3rd-party sources and therefore this topic should not have its own page on Wikipedia. I suggest this page is merged into the Die Antwoord article. Andrew Oakley (talk) 10:36, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Zef has existed long before Die Antwoord became popular. It pretty damn ancient actually. A merge will not reflect reality. 196.8.126.31 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:47, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Well then ,please provide the sources. Even in Dutch or Afrikaans if English sources do not exist. 212.64.67.52 (talk) 16:18, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * And the Afrikaans and Dutch wikipedias do not have an article for Zef, which points against its notability. Ashmoo (talk) 10:41, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately reality is not the criterion for inclusion in Wikipedia but verifiability. —Wiki Wikardo 09:46, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

"Origin of the term" section issues
This section variously discusses the meaning of the term and the origin of the term -- distinctly separate topics -- and gives two distinct etymologies (Afrikaans for "common" vs. contraction of "Zephyr"). --Malnormalulo (talk) 02:32, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

So South African hipsters?
Pretty simple.

-G


 * No, not at all. Centerone (talk) 03:53, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to 2 one external links on Zef. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20100906110928/http://www.zoopy.com:80/video/3byh/celebrity-co-op-jack-parow? to http://www.zoopy.com/video/3byh/celebrity-co-op-jack-parow
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20110813131343/http://www.viceland.com/int/v16n9/htdocs/die-antwoord-154.php to http://www.viceland.com/int/v16n9/htdocs/die-antwoord-154.php

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Original research about chav/bogan being the lowest of society
"It differs from the Australian term bogan and the British term chav in that it is mostly a positive term for oneself, rather than a derogatory term for someone else. It is also not typical of the poorest classes of the society, but rather a mostly white, lower-middle class subculture."

Reads as a claim that chav/bogan are at the bottom of society whereas zef is better off than (I assume) many South African blacks. Certainly chavs in the UK are a lot better off than a whole army of unregistered immigrants and I imagine the position of bogans relative to aborignals is similar. I would prefer to change the second sentence to "Zef is not typical of the poorest classes of the society, but rather a mostly white, lower-middle class subculture." to avoid making an unsubstantiated and (IMHO) incorrect claim about other countries.