Talk:Zensar Technologies

UDP Template removal
I have looked at the current state of this article and believe while the article has cleanup issues there is nothing overly significant relating to Unpaid editting, perhaps a couple of claims to identify, but nothing that can't be better handled by Refimprove and cn templating say. I am therefore going to replace the UDP template with a Refimprove, leaving this record in the talk. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 05:31, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Founded (Date)
Cruncbase says 1991. The Economic Times (ref tag ET-Zensar-20181013) says 1963. Why? How to resolve? Djm-leighpark (talk) 21:42, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Early origins
Now the company history, and what has just re-entered this article, can be read as Zensar is trying to claim history for the totality of these companies history. My suspicion (which it based upon what seems reasonable) is 'Zensar' operation was an operation that manufacturers and possibly sales/supported for the above companies under an avatar of their name, most likely building products to licence particularly in the early days). In some ways I suspect the operation may have had elements of a franchise.Djm-leighpark (talk) 15:51, 14 October 2018 (UTC) Some pointers: Djm-leighpark (talk) 15:51, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * There have recently again seem to have been introduced some early claims which may be pretentious and misleading. This revolves around how the article uses uses the fact Zensar (or whatever it was then called) was using/operating under the names of International Computers and Tabulators (ICT), International Computers Limited (ICL) and Fujitsu etc.  My understanding from a an 'international'/UK point of view (and I am UK born and based) was that (loosely):
 * British Tabulating Machine Company (BTM) and Powers-Samas merges to form International Computers and Tabulators (ICT)
 * ICT merged in parts of Ferranti/English Electric to become International Computers Limited (ICL)
 * ICL went on to form links with Fujitsu, then was taken over by them and operations eventually re-branded as part of Fujitsu.
 * Reference tagged Iexpress-20001124 indicates Zensar was a 75% owned subsiduary of Fujitsu ICIM Ltd in 2000
 * The references tagged ET-Zensar-20181013 has Zensar Technologies Ltd incorporation date as 29 March 1963.
 * I wish I could (re)find the doc, but I recall either Ganesh Natarajan (or possibly Kishore) mentioning the company has been going for 54 years and that early on it had been under a variety of 'avatars'. This is primary but still useful.


 * I have found information in about 3 sources which are mostly consistent apart from discrepencies in the incorp date (mar '63 vs mar '83). I hope to be able to attempt a WP:BOLD good faith attempt at a cited history up to 1961 and then forward over a number of edits.  Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 17:26, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, I changed the History section and used information from NDTV as the basis. It may not be 100% correct/details but it appears to largely tie in with this profile and the book "From Start-Up to Global Success: The Zensar Story". Also be cautious - it isn't up to you to find "the truth" but to represent what the sources say - anything else could be viewed as WP:SYNTH.  HighKing++ 18:44, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi ... in between going ape I am actually trying to walk the tightrope (which is why I put 19hrs on the In-use which aint something I'd usually do) ... its why I started with a very very safe statement ... hit 1959 and went ... h'mm because the Hollerieth is a bit odd ... and (and Dr. Who suddenly came on the tele) .... A key point before I forget is ZENSAR TECHNOLOGIES LTD. (ZENSARTECH) - COMPANY HISTORY is also useful.Djm-leighpark (talk) 19:43, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I've made some more changes to the history section based on the book (I've also added a Google Books link to the book). It probably doesn't have all the details but it is more accurate than what I had originally put in (which was based on the NDTV source that is already in the article but I now believe that "history" looks very unreliable).  HighKing++ 20:11, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * @ The bits from the book fills in a couple of gaps neatly. All sources seem to be mostly correct with different omissions and a couple of inaccuracies.  From the sources (and a couple of Wikipedia links I believe the story from 1959 was:
 * BTM held the rights to the Hollerith 80 col card punch equipment in the British Empire as opposed to the non-80 by Powers-Samas. When these merged to ICT in 1959 (Hollerith Ltd could have been branding / associate company associated with BTM).  However NDTV says ICT branding was used from 1 October 1959.  On incorporation (1963) the Company was called  International Computers and Tabulators Indian Manufacturing Company (ICTIM) (ICL/ICIM wouldn;t make sense at this point).  In 1968 ICT merged with others to become ICL and also ICTIM would have likely become ICIM at this point.  Fujitsu took over ICL in the early 1980's though  I think the company remained as Fujitsu ICIM.  I think then you story from 1991 to 2000/2001 is essentially good, the earlier bit may ideally need to differentiate between ICT and ICL.Djm-leighpark (talk) 21:07, 14 October 2018 (UTC)


 * The article I was seeking earlier was already in the article references tagged as ForbesI-20170418 'Zensar Technologies: On the digital highway' ... while a primary resource it does shed more light on company activities and admits weakness in the outsourcing area. It mentions briefly about the early avatars (But does not mention 54 years) but may be useful in an alternative view of history post millenium.Djm-leighpark (talk) 21:27, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * One point to note is we are now using the alternate isbn for 978-93-5150-862-5 for Start-Up to Global Success: The Zensar Story rather than 9789351508632. Djm-leighpark (talk) 01:13, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

February 2019 Content Dispute
Since 9 February 2019 I have reverted twice ... generally for removing previous content. I am under the impression Deepakhmwiki wishes to remove history and display other current information more prominently. In general the cited (ideally independent) updating of turnover figures to more recent ones is to be welcomed; the removal of history is not. The article has been subject to much promotional editing in the past, was subject to intense scrutiny at the 3 October 2018 deletion review, and has been subject to disruptive editing since. Effort has been made to avoid a neutrality. Please discuss here if necessary.


 * I will note has not discussed here but has attempted to initiate discussion on my talk page at User talk:Djm-leighpark/Archives/2019 1.  For the record I have replaced one archived citation link not performing correctly; switched one other one to use the archived copy.  Two other links remain marked as dead link but I may work on them.
 * I think I've now sorted all links cire links with issues. One dead link from India times suffered from not having a full cite with publication date ... if it had I could have simply removed the url!  Any all now sorted17:49, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Revenue figure in Infobox
It has come to my attention possibly through 's edit the (2016) archived cite for the unlabeled is not responding correctly and the original reference is unavailable. The figure of $480m USD seems correct. The 10 February attempt to by has altered the figure to USD 6.7M which seems incorrect. The Revenue figure in the infobox does however need to be updated with a suitable citation.Djm-leighpark (talk) 06:11, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I've update the infobox with the figures in the primary report, which uses USD. I left at USD only as that is what is readily available in the report, if it also directly mentioned the INR figure I'd be happy to that also.  It is better if I used an independent source, though that is more pressing if the claim figure was mentioned in the body.  Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 07:15, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Updation of Zensar revenues for end of March 2020.
Hi...I just got told that as I work for Zensar, I should not make edits on the Zensar page. I understand that now, and will refrain from doing so in the future. Meanwhile, will the change that I made (updating the revenues based on a published reference) go through...or should I request a third party to do the same. Thank you for your support (and warm welcome to the Wiki community). Abhishek.vanamali (talk) 06:08, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * @ I've noted various claims in the past 6 months that were not sourced, including one that removed content while not summarised. I'll possibly work over this when I get the urge, but I am focused elsewhere at the moment.  What can be usefully done, and I would say this to subject, is to upload usable pictures to commons with the right license so they can be selected for use in article (but be careful to do this legally and not nearly get arrested by the guards like what nearly happened to me once).  Thankyou.15:31, 30 June 2020 (UTC)