Talk:Zero Punctuation

About time!
Good to see someone's finally given Zero Punctuation its own article. I think the series has become famous (Or perhaps infamous?) enough to deserve this article now. Stonking great! Geshpenst (talk) 13:17, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure, as if I care what you think? You are really interesting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.100.236.55 (talk) 22:36, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * They shouldnt even have a wikipedia page, their site is too disfunctional. But it can always be on wikia. Coolman1250 (talk) 03:52, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Picture of Yahtzee
there is at least one ep i remember where you actually get to see him. i could have sworn it was a 4th Wall-breaking game like MGS4, but i don't recall seeing him upon rewatching. is it notable to point out that ep in this or the episode list? Plonk420 (talk) 09:22, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Episode guide section
I think that a list of episodes is a notable inclusion, as while no individual episode is notable, that's why they don't have their own articles! (Which would be ludicrous) However I feel a simple list of them is notable as part of a Zero Punctuation article. I think "Episode guide" is a bad name though for conveying what this section does, so I renamed the section "List of episodes". I'm going away for 2 weeks tomorrow though so I can't really take part in this conversation properly, apologies - rst20xx (talk) 21:16, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Whoa, censorship?
I just re-watched the GDC episode, and much of the cursing has been censored. I'm certain it wasn't always censored, what gives? Should mention of the censorship be made here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.155.107.156 (talk) 22:42, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * They requested that he censored it. Look for the 24/2/08 post on his website (www.fullyramblomatic.com)Delta (talk) 15:43, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It was due to that video being shown at a public conference of some kind. Purely formal and not going to be continued. MasterOfHisOwnDomain (talk) 23:01, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Clones
should we mention the many clones that this series has?--Not G. Ivingname (talk) 17:41, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think a bunch of copy-cats on YouTube is worth mentioning. Maybe if some of the imitators were notable, or there were notable sources discussing it, then it would warrant mentioning. - Koweja (talk) 15:11, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd sure be interested in what clones have sprung up. I haven't run into any myself.
 * Really there just people under names like "Some puncuation" and "all puncuation" who review Mr. Croshaw's game. Wise dude321 (talk) 17:02, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Biased
This article is severely biased, and needs some editing, specially on the part of mentioning that SomethingAwful offered him a position at the beggining of the article, as it really shouldn't be in the introduction, perhaps mentioned later on, but defenetly not at the start. Also, most of the article, though interesting, is a useless recopilation of fan-based info. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davilvi (talk • contribs) 16:46, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't see how it's biased or a useless recompilation of fan based info. However, I think that the paragraph beginning with "As a hint towards what he thinks as the ultimate game," is not something that should be written in an encyclopedia. It's interesting, but not relevant here (especially as the statements quoted were not really serious by Croshaw's own admission). But the paragraphs about negative and positive reviews give informations about the general criterias used by the reviewer to appreciate a game. Plus, the informations were collected by fans, but I don't see how that makes them biased, as they don't praise the reviewer or anything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.125.145.32 (talk) 20:41, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Webcomic?
Why is Zero Puncuation labeled as a webcomic in the category tags? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.251.106.238 (talk) 16:27, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Can I second this query--ZayZayEM (talk) 00:54, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Opinion
Should we include an "opinion" row in the table? There could be a breif summary of yahtzee's opinion —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.206.139.28 (talk) 13:55, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

No, his opinion on a specific game does not provide relevant information on the show itself. 84.248.142.99 (talk) 07:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Platform naming and order
I suggest renaming "PC" to "Windows", as it used in actual games descriptions (example). Argument here is obvious and comes from article about PC. “The most common operating systems for personal computers are Microsoft Windows, Mac OS and Linux ...”, while most games released for Windows only.

Also, just to make things prettier, the platform order should be alphabetical.

Skfd (talk) 17:54, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I personnally think that the actual platform and genre of the games reviewed are unimportant to the list, are overly bulky, and should be removed entirely or condenced into bullets under the title/subject to save horizontal space if they are to be kept (à la artist discographies). Things mentioned across the list should realy be kept specific to the episode and the review as opposed to specific to a subject of the review.
 * In a less related point the list is also going in the oposite direction to all other lists and should ideally be in chronological order and I'm slightly regretting not changing that myself when the list was shorter although it still seemed like a huge task that I lacked time for back then. — Balthazar  (T 02:47, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's a episodic series so it should resemble an episode guide. There isn't enough information no warrant half of them have the hidden feature. It looks messy and haphazard.--DonJuan.EXE (talk) 14:23, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's a episodic series so it should resemble an episode guide. There isn't enough information no warrant half of them have the hidden feature. It looks messy and haphazard.--DonJuan.EXE (talk) 14:23, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Order of the episodes?
I've been looking through the episode and see that 2007 and 2008 are in order of date, but they are backwards. Starting in december working down to january, should this be changed?

Also at the start of 2007 there are 2 edits, on leading to section=6 and the other section=7, which are perfectly identical, should one of these linked pages be removed? Considering they both contain the exact same content.

Separate page for episode list
This list either needs to go or be split off. Leaving it here in the main article is not a reasonable option. &mdash; Anonymous Dissident  Talk 17:08, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree, currently the list makes the page very long and more difficult to navigate. --Taelus (talk) 22:35, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * This seemed pretty uncontroversial and necessary, so I've split it into List of Zero Punctuation episodes. If anyone wants to help make that a better list, t'would surely be appreciated. Greg Tyler (t &bull; c) 22:54, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Please stop adding Amnesia to this list of games he has praised
First of all, that review was lukewarm. Secondly, to prevent that part from getting cluttered, I feel that we should keep it to a small number of titles (four seems to work). --Goodbye Galaxy (talk) 20:26, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

All of his reviews are luke warm. For a horror game that was as good as it gets barring Silent Hill 2. If you check the comments everyone is saying "wow that was a good review." Also, the company that made Amnesia could do with all the exposure it can get, so i feel that that overrides the desire to keep it short. I understand your viewpoint, but it's for the greater good haha. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JoshE87 (talk • contribs) 01:19, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Since the "positive review" list is slowly getting out of hand again; I rephrased and trimmed it down to the same as the main article: "The reviews are not universally negative, and he has occasionally praised games, for example Portal,[1] Psychonauts,[2] or Silent Hill 2[3] all received positive reviews. Saints Row 2, Batman: Arkham Asylum, and Just Cause 2 were named as his Games of the Year of 2008, 2009, and 2010 respectively." —  HELL KNOWZ  ▎TALK 09:45, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Half-Life praised too?
I know he hasn't reviewed a proper game of the series but he makes a lot of references to the series and avoids antagonizing Valve and it's games. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.99.168.94 (talk) 08:43, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Article Rewritten
I have nearly completely overhauled the article which I have quietly been working on here for some time.

The article, as it stood before, was atrocious. It was mostly outdated, lacking third-party references (although the new version still has plenty of primary sources), and the Critical Style section was a total eyesore with a gigantic mess of games that just didn't need to be there. It's been a start-class article on all three of the WikiProjects it belongs to for a long time, and I'm attempting to bring the article up to at least a B or C class with more outside references, better wording, less crap, more information, and an image as well.

If anyone objects to this rewrite, go ahead and revert it, but I'd like to know what you think is wrong with it here.  Protoss  Pylon  22:12, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * That was certainly more pleasurable to read. Zero Serenity (talk) 00:22, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Class assessment
I changed the class to a C-class. It fails a few B-criteria, particularly criteria 1 and 2 in that it lacks sufficient references, and it contains a major omission as it does not discuss any independent critical response to the show. This probably deserves a new level 2 section titled Reception. --Odie5533 (talk) 20:38, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

'Blandest Games' to Awarded Games?
Does anyone think it would be appropriate to add 'Blandest Games' to the chart of awarded games? Rodger42 (talk) 18:04, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure. Lets just hope we don't have more categories or this will just get worse. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 20:23, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

High-quality pics? Why not?
Would it be bad to replace at least a few of these pics, like the logo, with high-quality versions? Quite a few of these are like thumbnail size. Actually, a lot of Wikipedia articles on games and movies seem to have this problem. Does nobody on Wikipedia use Google to find their pics? 72.192.119.52 (talk) 21:52, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * This is part of our policy. Unless the picture is hard to see or read, or we have CC licensing, they're purposefully downscaled. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 02:27, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

What is a CC and may you please link to me this part of the policy? 72.192.119.52 (talk) 20:09, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * All you need is right here. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 20:13, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! I never heard of that part of "Fair Use" policy before, nor do I completely understand the part about the pic "substituting" for the original, but I digress. I suppose Wikipedia insists on following the very letter of the law at all times. One more question, is your name by any chance inspired by Zero Punctuation or is purely coincidental? 72.192.119.52 (talk) 04:13, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Coincidental. I've had this name for about twenty years now. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 08:36, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Citation 2
I've found an archive as well as a working URL for the second source (GameSpot) here; however, neither seem to completely verify the content they're supposed to here. Should I replace the current URL with them anyway? Glades12 (talk) 11:57, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Name
Yahtzee announced in a livestream on their new channel 'Second Wind' that he would be starting a new short form video game review show called 'Fully Ramblomatic' (previous name for Zero Punctuation) Would this constitute a name change for the current Zero Punctuation wiki page or would it require its own page when it actually releases? presumably it's going to be similar in content Angryman120344 (talk) 17:31, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yahtzee doesn't own Zero Punctuation; The Escapist still owns the brand/IP. Even if the new show is similar to Zero Punctuation, it would still be separate article (assuming the new show meets Wikipedia's notability requirements).  Meanwhile, if The Escapist ever tries to relaunch Zero Punctuation with some other critic replacing Yahtzee or whatever, that would be covered in this article. CurlyWi (talk) 19:49, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

changing zp related verbs to past tense?
I know it seems a bit stupid but,should I change the verbs to past tense now that the series seems to be over, or should I wait until it is officially canceled? Data Devourer (talk) 00:46, 30 April 2024 (UTC)