Talk:Zeta Phi Beta/Archive 1

POV and Sources?
Very POV article with no references whatsoever. Needs a lot of work. Adisalee 19:35, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Think something needs to be added about their recent hazing problem. Im not sure that this is "finer womanhood" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.154.81.100 (talk • contribs)

I did not add the above statement. I must have remained logged on a computer, but I did not put that. I will be sure to log off. LivelyIvy 1908  18:50, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, this has been fixed.  Mi r a n da   03:48, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Hazing
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070508/ap_on_re_us/sorority_hazing;_ylt=ApRHZ7XYvgAcn7y54Vlp6hZvzwcF 68.154.81.100 20:53, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't think anything about their recent hazing incident should be added. If that was the case all GLO articles could be filled with hazing incidents. LivelyIvy  1908  22:29, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Zeta statement on dismissal of recent lawsuits regarding Starks and Underwood
COURT DISMISSES LAWSUITS AGAINST ZETA PHI BETA -  Ro   Bo   Tam   ice15:34, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Can this be verified with an independent source? —C.Fred (talk) 17:30, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Hopefully so, but until then it should probably stay here on the talk page for discussion. I'm just tied up with a case at the moment, so I can't pull the Zeta case at this time. Of course, anyone else should feel free to find it. -  Ro   Bo   Tam   ice 19:46, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The information about Stark's lawsuit is already in the article ("Stark's claims for breach of contract and negligence were dismissed at a September 11, 2008 status conference"). The citation is provided. The information regarding the Sawyer lawsuit was released by Associated Press and Black America Web, but the official court memorandum is not up yet. -- Absolon S. Kent (talk) 20:30, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

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List of Zeta Phi Beta grand boules
List of Zeta Phi Beta grand boules has been created, having started with the information on the equivalent list for Phi Beta Sigma.Naraht (talk) 03:23, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Sources, BLP, and notable (Greeks)
I found this article randomly through the recent changes. However, it's the same issues here that I just saw at Sigma Alpha Mu (see discussion). While it's not applicable for some members of the list (Rolle and Vaughan, specifically), biography of a living person guidelines are pretty strict about the sourcing of biographical information. Even aside from that, verifiability rules apply. Specifically, self-published information is not a reliable source for allegations about third parties.

That said, I'm almost willing to let Underwood in because of her bio at the Miami Improv, except I'm not sure that it was vetted by anybody at the Improv (which would make it independent).

Anyway, here are the names I just deleted from the article:


 * Zora Neale Hurston - Writer and folklorist of the Harlem Renaissance, best known for her novel Their Eyes Were Watching God
 * Wendy Palmer - (Forward of WNBA's, Utah Starzz)
 * Esther Rolle - Actress. She is best known for her role as Florida on the long running CBS television series, Good Times. She was recently featured in Rosewood and Down in the Delta.
 * Sarah Lois Vaughan - Jazz Singer - On October 1942, she entered and won the 'Amateur Night' contest held at New York's famed Apollo Theatre. She was launched on a career where she sang with such greats as Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, Miles Davis, Art Blakey and Budd Johnson -legendary founders of the modernist 'Be-Bop' era. Once she had gone solo - as she was to stay for the rest of her career - she began to establish herself as a force in her own right.
 * Dionne Warwick - Singer. Among her other hits are the #1 "Then Came You" (with The Spinners) and the Grammy winning "That's What Friends Are For" (with Gladys Knight, Stevie Wonder and Elton John), She earned seven Top 40 singles in the Eighties alone, Overall, she's garnered one platinum, five gold albums including1985's Friends) and five Grammy Awards.
 * Minnie Ripperton - Singer. Her 70s soul classic "Loving You", was entitled "A Huge Ever Growing Pulsating Brain That Rules from the Center of the Ultra world" (1989). The record was eventually a hit, but its greater significance lies in its claim to being the first ever ambient house record.
 * Sheryl Underwood - Comedian. Considered one of the boldest women in comedy she has appeared in shows such as Russell Simmons Def Comedy Jam, BET's comic view, and the Lou Rawls Parade of Stars. She also donates 5% of all her road earnings to her beloved sorority.

If sources—independent of the sorority—can be found to verify membership, then feel free to re-add them with the citation following, like I've done for Anderson. —C.Fred (talk) 03:51, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * See this. Miranda 14:00, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Which is not independent of the sorority (since it is apparently published by the sorority, given the sitename). Since it does not give a source list, there's no way to trace it back to independent sources. Accordingly, that site falls under the restrictions for self-published sources, which cannot be used for assertions about third parties. —C.Fred (talk) 17:36, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it is a reliable source, because it shows who was initiated into their sorority, verbatim. Miranda 17:40, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Since this isn't the first time the issue came up, I have sent the issue to the project's talk page for discussion: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Fraternities and Sororities. —C.Fred (talk) 17:57, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Two shields?
What does the article gain by having both a white on blue and a blue on white version of the shield? Are both official?Naraht (talk) 21:36, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure which one is the official, but I have seen both used on items from the sorority. It looks as if one will be deleted from Wikipedia shortly, so it may resolve itself. Absolon S. Kent (talk) 21:45, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Chapter list
I have created List of Zeta Phi Beta chapters as a new article. Please take a look and see if you have info to add. Rublamb (talk) 22:56, 9 March 2023 (UTC)