Talk:Zeynep Tufekci

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Techno-sociologist
Why "self-described" techno-sociologist? Why not just techno-sociologist? Fb2ts (talk) 13:26, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Fb2ts, thanks for raising this issue. I beleive the answer is no, she can't simply be a techno-sociologist, and the reason is that "techno-sociology" is not a discipline, anywhere that we have sources for. Some hints for that is that there is no page on Wikipedia on Techno-Sociology, and there is no other article on Wikipedia that even mentions the term. But you can look around the internet or even ask people at your local university - if you're lucky that there is one - if you want to be independently sure. From what I can tell, and I don't mean this in a negative light, but technosociology is essentially her personal marketing brand, which is absolutely fine elsewhere, but makes no sense where the goal is clarity and using categories that help the reader understand how her scholarly work relates to that of others. Hoping this is sufficiently clear. Cheers, Solstag (talk) 14:41, 30 November 2017 (UTC)


 * OK. How about Essay of Technosociology: A Gasogene in Costa Rica. Madeleine Akrich. Essay of Technosociology: A Gasogene in Costa Rica. Lemonnier, P. Technological choices. Transformation in material cultures since the Neolithic, Routledge, pp.289-337, 1993. Fb2ts (talk) 14:54, 30 November 2017 (UTC)


 * AND Styles of Pig Farming: A Techno-Sociology Inquiry of Processes and Constructions in Twente and The Achterhoek Paperback – 2003 by Monica Commandeur (Author) Fb2ts (talk) 14:54, 30 November 2017 (UTC)


 * More recently Security Community Technosociology sheds more light on the alleged WhatsApp security flaw explaining why it is not a big deal.Fb2ts (talk) 14:58, 30 November 2017 (UTC)


 * A three-dimensional view model of international standardization using techno-sociological analysis IEEE.org. Toshihiko Yamakami CTO Office, ACCESS, Nakase 1-10-2, Mihama-ku, Chiba-shi, Chiba, Japan 261-0023. 2011.Fb2ts (talk) 15:08, 30 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi Fb2ts. Yes, these are works in the field of Science, technology and society, usually referred to as STS, of which I completely agree that Zeynep is a part of. Within this field, people refer to each other as "STS scholars" or variants of "sociologists of [innovation, technology etc]". I don't see how using a non-standard and almost never employed name (even the examples you gave don't use the term as a professional category) for this biography helps. Abraços, Solstag (talk) 15:18, 30 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, the examples I gave are what I could get out of google on the spur of the moment, not a comprehensive survey. Perhaps you have some professional inside scoop. How do you know what people "in the field" say? Are you an academic in the field of sociology? I am a native speaker of the English language, and Techno-Sociologist would seem to me to describe Tufekci's work perfectly. Fb2ts (talk) 22:59, 1 December 2017 (UTC)


 * I agree that techno-sociology is not an established term for a study of field with any academic department specifically dedicated to it yet, for which reason you would only be self-titled as such rather than being attributed the title by an academic department. Neurosys (talk) 12:27, 16 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Except, in this case, the "academic departments" in question are at the University of South Carolina and Harvard's Berkman Center - a research center at Harvard Law School. Also worth mentioning, in this context, is the fact that Tufekci's work has been recognized by the Carnegie Foundation. "The purpose of the Andrew Carnegie Fellows Program is to support high-caliber scholarship in the social sciences and humanities, making it possible for the recipients to devote time to research and writing that addresses pressing issues and cultural transitions affecting us at home and abroad". You can read more about the Carnegie Foundation here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fb2ts (talk • contribs) 13:18, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
 * It occurs to me that you might not be familiar with Tufekci's work. Luckily, there's an excellent TED to get you up to speed fast! :-) Fb2ts (talk) 13:28, 16 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi Fb2ts. I'm not going to quarrel over this. My concern is simply that we convey useful and coherent information to the reader, which, as I tried to convey, her personal branding obscures, as she uses it to set her apart from what is in fact an established field with an international community that works on the kind of issues she works with. It is a media tactic, and it might be valid to raise awareness of the public, but it doesn't help understand the intellectual context in which she develops her thoughts. She is part of a long tradition of sociologist of technology, and while I greatly appreciate her work - that's why I follow this page - it is very far from establishing a new field of study. Which is not a demerit at all. As I said, I don't see the need to dispute and you can leave or take what you want from the text in this respect. To conclude, since you've asked, I am indeed an academic in the field of sociology of science. In fact, I was quite amused that, at the very moment I saw the first reference you presented in our discussion, the author (Madeleine Akrich) was standing right by my side in a conference! That was a joyful accident :D . Cheers, and happy 2018! Solstag (talk) 16:07, 25 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Ola Solstaq. Wikipedia redirects sociology of science to sociology of scientific knowledge - which doesn't sound like what you meant. "The study of science as a social activity, especially dealing with the social conditions and effects of science, and with the social structures and processes of scientific activity". Sociology of knowledge doesn't seem like it quite says it either.


 * But a google for sociologist of technology came up with a course being taught at Princeton entitled "sociology of technology" from 2010 described as "a new course that explores the ways in which culture and social structures shape the design and use of technology, and how technology in turn influences cultural and social experience. Do you know Janet Vertesi? I must say, her work sounds quite different from Tufekci's. In fact, it sounds a bit like the opposite. Fb2ts (talk) 17:04, 25 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi Fb2ts. I did not say Zeynep is a sociologist of science. I said that's the field in which I work (in recent years). About her, see my passage above about Science, technology and society, which is the field where she is active in. To clarify a little bit more, sociology of science and STS are very closely related but, as you noticed, not the same. Sociology of science was initially more concerned with the effects of the social world in the construction of science, not the othe way around, and not about technology. Today, these disciplines have been converging in practice as both our understanding and the world itself have blurred the lines between science and technology, and between society and academia. Thus, STS is a more modern and broader term, but, professionally, sociologists in STS refer to themselves as "sociologists of science/technology/innovation", depending on their focus within the field, or simply "STS scholars", which also encompasses people trained in economics, anthropology and others. In fact, even in my reply, where I say I work in "sociology of science", that is more like a shortcut to say I work in STS with focus on science. Abraço, Solstag (talk) 16:42, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Are TED talks "published"?
See TED Talks list: "Every talk published on TED.com, available as a download."

See also support.google.com: "When you make a video public on YouTube, the "published on" date on the watch page is based on Pacific Standard Time (PST)

Fb2ts (talk) 14:42, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Education?
Where is the chronology of her formal education? MaynardClark (talk) 19:23, 2 March 2020 (UTC)