Talk:Zhang (surname)

Names
There is a proposal to create a precedent that names are not encyclopedic. Articles about names regularly show up on various deletion pages and are summarily deleted. Perhaps - since you've been working on an article about a name, you hold a different opinion that you'd like to express. Please do: Deletion policy/names and surnames SchmuckyTheCat 17:05, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Proposed Merger with Chang (surname)
Reason for proposal: Most of the content of the articles Chang (surname) and Zhang (surname) are about the same name, although other oriental names with a similar sound are also covered on both pages. Both pages include lists of people named. Cheung already redirects to Zhang, so I propose that Chang (surname) should likewise redirect here, and the content of the two pages be merged.

Please indicate your support or opposition below.


 * Merge: proposed for the reasons stated above by Fayenatic london 14:00, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Opposed and unmerged. Not much discussion and separate English names, regardless of ethnic origin. Cheung should have been separated or directed to Chang, not used as an excuse to submerge everything.


 * You would have quite a strong point if the article were titled 张 (surname), except it isn't. Plus, personally, I find the current page to flow very smoothly, which would be hard to maintain if it remained a mashup like before. You'd need 12+ different subsections for each variant ethnic spelling. Not to mention the dubious political point of including Hakka and Minnan names – even when the people in question are from Singapore, HK, or Taiwan – on this page but separating out the Korean and Vietnamese ones. — LlywelynII  16:19, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Agree
Due to the phonetic similarity, and the varieties of Chinese dialects and vernacular spellings, Chang and Zhang are interchangeable in many cases, especially for oversea Chinese and historical Chinese names. Though Chang and Zhang could be in very different Chinese characters, it is better to categorize them together here (in Wikipedia English version) for comparison and study.

--Flyming 21:05, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Merged
I've replaced Chang (surname) with a redirect to this article. Although I think the "Chang" article should be recreated when someone comes up with some real content for the surname 常. Here is the list of notable people that was listed there. It needs a little editing work before it can be inserted in the same format that this article is using.

<!--Commented out list from Chang page:
 * Chang Apana (1871-1933): a Chinese-Hawaiian policeman in Honolulu, Hawaii
 * Chang Chau-hsiung (張昭雄 Pinyin: Zhāng Zhàoxióng) (born 1942): vice-chairman of People First Party of the Republic of China since 2000
 * Chang Brandon (張卓楠; Hanyu Pinyin: Zhāng Zhúo Nán) (born December 28, 1982): a popular Taiwanese artist.
 * Chang Cheh (張徹; pinyin:Zhāng Chè) (1923 – 2002): film director of Shaw Brothers Studio
 * Chang Chen (張震)(born October 14, 1976): a Taiwanese actor
 * Chien-Chi Chang (張乾琦), (born 1961): a Taiwanese photographer
 * Zhang Chongren or Chang Ch'ung-jen (张充仁, 1907 - 1998): a Chinese artist and sculptor
 * Chang Chi-yun (1900 - 1985): historian, geographer, educator, politician; founder of Chinese Culture University
 * Chang Ch'ün (張群, pinyin: Zhāng Qún) (1889-1990): Premier of the Republic of China in 1947-1948.
 * Chang Chun-hsiung (Chinese: 張俊雄; pinyin: Zhāng Jùnxióng) (born 1938) is a politician in the Republic of China on Taiwan.
 * Eileen Chang (Traditional Chinese: 張愛玲; Simplified Chinese: 张爱玲; pinyin: Zhāng Àilíng) (1920 – 1995): Chinese writer.
 * Franklin Ramón Chang Díaz (張福林, pinyin: Zhāng Fùlín) (born 5 April 1950): Costa Rican-American physicist and astronaut.
 * Chang Hsüeh-liang (nickname: The young marshall): ruler of Manchuria and instigator of the Xi'an incident
 * Chang Hui-mei (張惠妹, Hanyu Pinyin: Zhāng Hùimèi) (b. 1972), popularly known as A-Mei (阿妹): Taiwanese pop singer
 * Iris Shun-Ru Chang (Traditional Chinese: 張純如, Simplified Chinese: 张纯如; Pinyin: Zhāng Chúnrú; 1968 – 2004): freelance Chinese American historian and journalist
 * John Hsiao-yen Chiang (Chinese: 蔣孝嚴, pinyin: Jiǎng Xiàoyán) (born May 2, 1941), formerly John Hsiao-yen Chang (章孝嚴, Zhāng Xiàoyán): Kuomintang politician in the Republic of China on Taiwan.
 * Jung Chang, (Traditional Chinese: 張戎, Simplified Chinese: 张戎, Wade-Giles: Chang Jung, Hanyu Pinyin: Zhāng Róng), (born 1952): Chinese-born British writer
 * Chang Kuo Lao (WG), Elder Zhang Guo (Chinese: 張果老; pinyin: Zhāng Guǒ Lǎo): one of the Eight Immortals, known as Master Comprehension-of-Profundity (通玄先生 Tōngzhào Xiānshēng).
 * Michael Te Pei Chang (張德培; Pinyin: Zhāng Dépéi; born 1972 in Hoboken, New Jersey): former professional tennis player
 * P. C. Chang (also: Peng-chun Chang, Zhang Pengjun) (1892 - 1957): a Chinese professor, philosopher and playwright
 * Chang Po-ya (張博雅 Pinyin: Zhāng Bóyǎ; born 1942) is the Chairwoman and founder of the Taiwanese Non-Partisan Solidarity Union
 * Thomas Ming Swi Chang: Canadian physician and scientist
 * Zhang Zai (or Chang Tsai) (1020-1077): Chinese Neo-Confucian moral philosopher and cosmologist
 * Chang Tso-lin (WG) (Chinese: 張作霖, pinyin: Zhāng Zuòlín) (1873 – 1928), (nickname "Old Marshal" or "Mukden Tiger"): Chinese warlord in Manchuria in the early 20th century
 * Chang Tsung-ch'ang (WG) (pinyin: Zhang Zongchang, Chinese: 張宗昌) (1881 – 1932), (nickname 'Dogmeat General'): Chinese warlord in Shandong in the early 20th century
 * Wah Chang, American designer, sculptor, and artist
 * Winston Hsiao-tzu Chang (章孝慈 pinyin: Zhāng Xiàocí) (1941 - 1996): president of Soochow University in Taipei
 * Zhang Yuzhe (Chinese: 张钰哲; pinyin: Zhāng Yùzhé; Wade-Giles: Chang Yu-che) (1902 – 1986): Chinese astronomer
 * Chang Wan-chuan (1909 - 2003): One of the most recognized Taiwanese artists, and a pioneer of the Fauvist movement in Taiwan.-->

Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 17:29, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

History
Seems to me that the English equivalent surname might be Archer. Any thoughts on this? 87.112.72.208 23:37, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * An archer is the user, not the maker. The English equivalent is bowyer. 71.141.96.96 (talk) 11:49, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Very cute, except the character describes arching the bow, not nec. making it. Archer is fine, so long as one remembers that 张 doesn't actually "mean" anything. It was constructed from those pieces for those reasons, but modern Chinese uses different words for "archer" and "bowyer". It's like saying America means "Land of Hard Work". — LlywelynII  16:25, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

"Chinese Arc Constellation"
So what modern constellation would this correspond to? 71.141.96.96 (talk) 11:46, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

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