Talk:Zhi Hu Zhe Ye

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 * George, hi, it's clearly not the only use of such a common Chinese phrase, I restored the artist name. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:05, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
 * There is not one zhi hu zhe ye yet. Perhaps create one? --George Ho (talk) 20:34, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
 * We don't have to create one, this idea that if something doesn't exist as an article it doesn't exist shouldn't be driving things. The point is this album needs (Lo Ta-yu album) on it since it is unrecognizable without it. I didn't waste time creating this album just to hide it from people. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:41, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
 * What about people searching for the album without the disambiguator? If an article about the idiom will not exist, then disambiguating the page is pointless, unless another article of the same name exists. As I realize, disambiguation is a bitch. Any reader can figure out what the article is about just by reading it without disambiguation. --George Ho (talk) 09:07, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: move the page, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 16:08, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Zhi Hu Zhe Ye (Lo Ta-yu album) → Zhi Hu Zhe Ye – Even when the idiom Zhī hū zhě yě (之乎者也) exists, its notability is yet to be proven, and the article of the idiom does not yet exist. Therefore, the album that uses the idiom term as the title shall be "primary topic" by default. Edit: Almost forgot: There are no other topics of the same name. George Ho (talk) 01:15, 14 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Oppose - primary topic for 之乎者也 is 之乎者也, not a pinyin string. I've stated my view on the previous undiscussed move, sorry George but I created this with a recognisable "Lo Ta-yu album" not just to disambiguate from the term, but because it will help people looking for the Lo Ta-yu album 之乎者也 who aren't good at pinyin. It's by no means guaranteed that readers will search 之乎者也 using mainland pinyin for a Taiwan album just because we (correctly in my view) standardize Taiwan articles to mainland pinyin. It seems mp3 sites list this album as "Education in Classical", which is evidently not a reliable source but indicates the problem, Dogpile picks up more than this album so having the Lo Ta-yu album titled Lo Ta-yu album helps not hinders Googlers. Naming conventions for western pop songs "Get Back!" aren't helpful for finding something like 之乎者也. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:54, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
 * If moved, the current title will act as a redirect. AutoComplete will ease difficulties that you describe. --George Ho (talk) 02:02, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Not for mobile phone users. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:23, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, they can search the artist's romanized name and look at discography, can't they? --George Ho (talk) 05:15, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Depends how much their mobile provider is charging them and their signal strength. I have created a redirect "The title of the ground-breaking Chih Hu Che Yeh" In ictu oculi (talk) 08:23, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter whether users search for the exact title text. Wikipedia has redirects and most users probably search through external search engines anyway. —  AjaxSmack   01:32, 15 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. This is the only article of this title.  Even Chinese Wikipedia has the album at 之乎者也, i.e. Zhi Hu Zhe Ye without a disambiguator.  —  AjaxSmack   01:32, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Support, per nom. Two dabs, one article, Lingdian case has returned. There's nothing else to discuss. ©   Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 05:25, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.