Talk:Zhima Credit

some sources that might be useful
See here and Here InsertCleverPhraseHere InsertTalkHere 02:56, 23 December 2015 (UTC)


 * From an edit comment made by another editor: The BBC article clearly states that while a state-sponsored system similar in some ways to Sesame Credit will be mandatory in 2020, that such a system does not yet exist and is not Sesame Credit or affiliated with such. (The BBC article in question is this one.) That's my reading of the situation as well. There's certainly room for writing an article with a title like Proposed Chinese universal citizen rating system, but this isn't it. -- The Anome (talk) 12:58, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

More confusion with citizen rating system
I've removed more material based on this ACLU comment article that conflated this with the proposed citizen rating system. Note the correction by the article's author at the bottom of that page. The proposed citizen rating system is well worth reporting on, but there's no firm evidence that it's anything to do with Sesame Credit.

As far as I can see, this FT story is the nearest we have to an authoritative source on the proposed Social Credit System, and even parts of that seem speculative to me. This, and other sources, quote a document entitled "Planning Outline for the Construction of a Social Credit System (2014-2020)", supposedly "State Council Notice concerning Issuance of the Planning Outline for the Construction of a Social Credit System (2014-2020) GF No. (2014)21", but the only online source I can find for it is a Wordpress blog post, which does not count as a WP:RS. This article also suggests that there's very little actual information publicly available on this, and most of what's been written about it seems to be largely speculation, followed by a lot of obvious reporting-of-reporting echo-chamber stuff that then picks up on the speculation, usually citing other reports, which cite still other reports, and so on. -- The Anome (talk) 13:46, 26 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Update: I've found a Chinese government source for a "Planning Outline of Social Credit System Construction": http://www.chinatax.gov.cn/2013/n2925/n2957/c778860/content.html Note that as a primary source, this is not necessarily authoritative for what it actually is planned to be, but it certainly reports what at least one significant part of the Chinese government says it is planned to be. -- The Anome (talk) 14:00, 26 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Update:' I've now created the Social Credit System article. -- The Anome (talk) 19:25, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 13 March 2019

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The result of the move request was: moved (closed by non-admin page mover)  SITH   (talk)   22:24, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Sesame Credit → Zhima Credit – Per page history: "The official name of this product is not Sesame Credit, but Zhima Credit, as is shown in the official website of Ant Financial. https://www.antfin.com/family.htm .But in English reports, sometimes it is unofficially called Sesame Credit." Pinging User:Edithruby. Timmyshin (talk) 17:39, 13 March 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. samee  converse  21:34, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak Support; not on the back of a primary source like the Ant Financial website, but because a lot of recent RS can be found for Zhima Credit. A lot of this press also says "better known as" Sesame Credit which gives me pause, so I'd be interested in reading other people's thoughts. Potentially too soon? Pegnawl (talk) 18:23, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Actually "Sesame credit" gets more English-language Google News hits. But there are more false positives such as "Like Credit Sesame Credit Karma shows..." Timmyshin (talk) 21:19, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Support If the name "Sesame Credit" does not predominate in English-language usage, the official name should be the title. --Yujeo (talk) 15:45, 22 March 2019 (UTC)


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Ambiguous
Is credit sesame and sesame credit the same? Tinybirdie (talk) 18:49, 28 July 2019 (UTC)