Talk:Zig Zag Railway

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Operation of Original Lithgow Zig Zag
Between 1869 and 1910, did trains propel up or down the middle road, did they attach a pilot engine, or did the engine change ends? Tabletop (talk) 00:41, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Well usually a bank engine was required on the heaviest trains due to the steep 1 in 42 grades. When that was the case, an up train would stop at Bottom Points and the train was just reversed up Middle road. However this was only the case after 1897 when the Bottom Road was duplicated and the first deviation was constructed which allowed longer and heavier trains. In later years, if you was lucky enough to be looking down on Zig Zag in the 1950s, the heaviest 2000 ton coal trains even required three pilot engines and a bank engine to haul it up the 1 in 42 grade of Bottom Road. Thanks for asking. =] Benshi (talk)

Like, what the hell
Hay, I though the plan to extend the railway to Newnes Junction was unproposed? If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me. Benshi (talk)


 * The extension is under construction and half finished. Newnes will make a better interchange than ZZBP. Amongst other reasons, there is plenty of room of Newnes' empty platforms to build a magnificant interchange.   Tabletop (talk) 10:32, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, well I thought they were going to use the original site of the Newnes Juntion station. Benshi

zig zag route
the table on the right side is missing Clarence 1st and shows 2nd zzr as 1st where do i edit that section ? Dave Rave (talk) 03:39, 26 April 2014 (UTC) is it just a piece of the main western line table or a copy/paste part of that ? i can edit that but I can't see where it is coded to be included Dave Rave (talk) 05:41, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Finally found it searching for {{, thinking now --Dave Rave (talk) 12:03, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Merger discussion
As neither the Top Points or Bottom Points are of much note, should these be merged into the Zig Zag Railway article? Neither existed as stations before the line being reopened as a heritage line in 1975. Mo7838 (talk) 12:21, 1 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Then the Stn points on the main western line would go missing.
 * Unless, can it link to the paragraph in an article.
 * Both parts could stay and be expanded --(talk) 12:33, 2 May 2014 (UTC)


 * with a little room to expand, the original zig zag as an entity could be split from the
 * zig zag as the historical trust. --Dave Rave (talk) 06:21, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Further Reading additional book
I have added the Further Reading book reference by Roger Sallis as a significant source of early restored ZZR heritage railway containing relevant & significant information - ... however the added info is coming up with a red alert : "Check ISBN" - I have checked both the physical book source ISBN No. code & double checked the NLA - National Library of Australia, Canberra Catalogue entry ISBN - that confirms the ISBN No # Code is correct !! - ... is the alert objecting 2 the fact there is No Trove referencing 4 the added book reference or objecting 2 the valid "X" in the ISBN No. # Code - ?? Don (Wingco) PATERSON (talk) 15:14, 2 November 2021 (UTC) so many times I've had to redo a simple edit for not proof reading, and you're on the phone? auto-correct will kill your work, proof read Dave Rave (talk) 20:20, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Took the "help" advice & restored the 10-character ISBN instead of the 13-character ISBN ... which has seemed 2 suppress the red "Check ISBN" error warning & invalid ISBN flag Don (Wingco) PATERSON (talk) 15:29, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
 * never trust your own work, always preview, and proof read, and look for read bits, and re-preview.

Frameless
I just edited the page because the expanded view of most of the photos was coming up with the description 'Frameless' and in one case 'Franeless'! When I first saw this, I thought that's a strange name for a locomotive, thinking it might derive from an unusual construction!!!

The descriptions I have used came directly from the info on the page associated with each photo, however someone with more rail knowledge may like to improve them. Lkingscott (talk) 09:18, 1 April 2023 (UTC)