Talk:Zimbra

Company vs. Product
So is this article about the product Zimbra or about the company Zimbra, Inc.? The infobox on the page is a Template:Infobox Software type. If their is consensus about that the company is the focus, I'll change the infobox to the Template:Infobox Company and move discussion of the product down to a section (i.e. their "flagship product") Cander0000 21:48, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose, read the intro, is a groupware product, so the template is correct.Mion 21:59, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The company is becoming part of Yahoo! and the article is about the product ... richi 22:30, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Thoughts then on adding a bit about their v5 development? -mcode 19:38, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I had contact with a sales rep from Zimbra. They told us about some limitations/features. Feel free to add stuff from it. --Blonkm 13:41, 24 October 2007 (UTC) Blonkm, system requirements change too often to post on wikipedia...
 * It is primarily Java.
 * We can install on RHEL 4
 * We do not run on Red Hat Linux 9, only RHEL 4 & 5. RedHat 9 ships with a different kernel, which is not supported by Zimbra.
 * You can use calendar per employee and utilize resources (conference rooms, conference #’s, etc).
 * We support tasks in Outlook 2003. Tasks in the Web UI are available in 5.0
 * We support and use Open LDAP. We sync natively with PDAs if you purchase Zimbra Mobile.
 * We support just mail on Thunderbird, if you wanted shared calendars, contacts, and tasks, you’d have to use Outlook 2003 or the web ui. -You can use Lightning. CalDav support is also available.
 * Yes, you can import via CSV

Suggest update of Blonkm material - stuff should be incorporated into article if possible. -mcode (talk) 03:55, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

IMO people are tugging too much over the different aspects, FUDing and generally missing on the big picture; I'd like to see a full representation of what it is, as I found it valuable helping with my initial research. It doesn't make sense to just frame it as an FOSS product, corp entity or paid product. There's: + organization/history + what the product does + open source vs closed (licensing too) + components + related links

i'd like to have this all Alfmurphy (talk) 17:13, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I think it'd be worthwhile to separate the wiki out into a number of different parts. First, there is Zimbra, Inc. the company, which no longer exists, and it has quite an involved history, between acquisitions and renaming, etc. Second, there are multiple Zimbra products, none of which are named Zimbra. There is Zimbra Collaboration Suite, which most people think of when they refer to Zimbra, but there is also Zimbra Desktop, its own stand alone product. There are also the various Zimbra connectors, such as ZCO (Zimbra connector for outlook) and the active sync plugin. On top of that, there are also various zimlets, both those developed by Zimbra and the ones developed by the community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mishikal (talk • contribs) 21:32, 8 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I'd support that. - Ahunt (talk) 21:36, 8 March 2016 (UTC)


 * That's what confused me and why I added macOS and Windows as platforms, because I thought the article was on Zimbra Desktop. I'm sorry about that. - rose64bit 17:45, 14 February 2018 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rose64bit (talk • contribs)

Fork
Download the source and fork while you can, before Microsoft buys Yahoo and stops Zimbra, remember Hulu? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.43.236.132 (talk) 18:08, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Out of date
Licensing information is out of date. 204.147.183.222 (talk) 11:40, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Rewrite from neutral POV needed
When we originally created the wikipedia article for Citadel, it was quickly nominated for deletion because someone felt it read like an advertisement. The Zimbra article is far more blatantly marketing-driven than that article ever was. I expect Zimbra to be held to the same standards as everyone else. If the article is not rewritten from a neutral, encyclopedic POV, I see no reason why it should not be nominated for deletion. Art Cancro (talk) 18:57, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not about tit for tat, nor is it a platform for corporations to play themselves up or others down. Regardless, I do see a few edits since you made this complaint.  Have the non-self-serving aspects of your comment been addressed to your satisfaction, Mr. Cancro? --Treekids (talk) 23:03, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

This is required again. Looks kinda like a C&P from a review or website, actually. Metao (talk) 07:54, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Consolidation of zimbra.com links
Hello, all. Just a quick note to explain some of the edits made here. Editors were linking to zimbra.com multiple times in the same page which is not proper Wikipedia style -- just link the first time, or in the External links section at the bottom (which is what I did). Also, don't add a bunch of links to sub-pages on the zimbra.com site; same reason. People will go to the official site to download -- most people are smart enough to figure that out. :) Remember that Wikipedia can't be a PR page for Zimbra, so avoid placing opinionated promo text in the article. Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia! Art Cancro (talk) 15:21, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

What's the difference?
In Two versions of Zimbra are available: an open-source version, and a commercially supported version ("Zimbra Network") with closed-source components., the obvious question is, "What's the difference?" That should be answered if it can be done without sounding like advertorial. --Treekids (talk) 23:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Contrary to what the article says, Outlook and Apple Mail can undoubtedly do a lot without a proprietary connector. (I tagged the offending statement.) --Pnm (talk) 05:40, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Outlook cannot synchronize calendar and contacts with Zimbra without the Zimbra Connector for Outlook. The same is true for Apple Mail without the Zimbra Connector for iSync.  Both can only do SMTP/IMAP/POP without the connector which is only for sending/receiving mail.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caidh (talk • contribs) 16:05, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Relevance and completeness of the lead section
I understand that Zimbra is a groupware product from a Palo Alto company, but what does it do? Lancrisis (talk) 05:31, 7 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Good point! How does it look now? - Ahunt (talk) 12:12, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Zimbra sold to Telligent
On July 15, 2013, Telligent announced to have acquired Zimbra from Vmware. See Vmware Divests Zimbra. So, the article may need to be updated ... --BNutzer (talk) 16:28, 15 July 2013 (UTC)


 * ✅ - Ahunt (talk) 19:55, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

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Adoption
The article should mention some large Zimbra users, but how to select them? mentions Rennes, which will invest 200 k€ and save 500 k€ with the switch to Zimbra, so it must be a rather big user, but I'm not comfortable adding it as sole example and I'm not sure how to select others. --Nemo 11:14, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * You could just add that due to the investment and subsequent commitment to using it. - Ahunt (talk) 16:48, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Apple Inc. Portal
Why is this article part of the Apple Inc. Portal? - rose64bit 17:47, 14 February 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rose64bit (talk • contribs)
 * I am just guessing, but perhaps because it can synchronize with Apple Mail? - Ahunt (talk) 18:07, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Update question
Where can I find guidelines about content, so I can update this page while staying within the wikipedia rules. Many thanks in advance. Gayle Billat (talk) 20:26, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Many places. The main issues were your choice of wording, which sounded like it was written by the company marketing department. We don't use external links in article text as per WP:EL and we need references for all added text, as per WP:V. We also don't list every version of a piece of software, just major versions as per WP:NOTCHANGELOG. In particular, since this was your first edit is seems very likely that you work for the company, so you will want to read WP:COI. That will explain that if you do have a conflict of interest (ie work for the company that makes this product) that you should declare your conflict of interest and then suggest changes here on the talk page and other editors will assess the changes and incorporate them if appropriate. I'm watching this page and happy to work with you to update it. - Ahunt (talk) 20:48, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi - I would like to update the content of the Zimbra page, but I am an employee of Synacor, owner of Zimbra. I have attempted to remove all marketing-type text and adhere to the wikipedia rules I learned after my last attempt to update.

This is what I want to submit for the update. Please let me know: - Does this meet wikipedia guidelines? - What changes are needed?

Many thanks for your help!

Updated Text:

Zimbra Collaboration, a Synacor product, is an email collaboration software platform that provides email, calendar, contacts, file sharing, tasks, chat, and videoconferencing. Zimbra Collaboration is available in an open source version and a for-purchase version, Network Edition. Network Edition can be deployed on-premises, via public or private cloud or as a hybrid.

Table of Contents •	History o	Product History •	Overview •	Included Open Source Projects

History Zimbra is a product of Synacor, Inc. Synacor (Nasdaq: SYNC) is headquartered in Buffalo, New York with offices in NYC, London, Paris, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Frisco (TX), Singapore and Pune (India). Synacor delivers advertising solutions, email and collaboration platforms, and cloud-based identity management.

Zimbra is deployed in more than 140 countries worldwide with hundreds of millions of mailboxes.

Zimbra was acquired by Synacor, Inc. on 18 August 2015. Initially developed by LiquidSys, which changed its name to Zimbra, Inc. on 26 July 2005, the Zimbra Collaboration Suite was first released in 2005. The company was subsequently purchased by Yahoo! on September 17, 2007, and later sold to VMware on January 12, 2010. In July 2013, it was sold to Telligent Systems, which changed its name to Zimbra, Inc. in September 2013.

According to former Zimbra executive Scott Dietzen, the name for Zimbra is derived from the song "I Zimbra" by Talking Heads. Product History •	Zimbra X Beta - 5/10/2018 - Features: Email-as-a-service, container-based, cloud-native product designed for reliability and redundancy. •	ZCS 8.8 - 12/12/2017 - Features: Zimbra Chat, Zimbra Drive, Zimbra New Generation (NG) Modules, added Norwegian and Catalan languages •	ZCS 8.7 - 13/07/2016 - Features: Zimbra 2-Factor Authentication, Zimbra Postscreen and SSL SNI, added Lao language, support for ActiveSync for Windows 10, Microsoft 2016 for Mac with EWS •	Synacor buys Zimbra 2015. •	Telligent buys Zimbra in XXX 2013. •	ZCS 8.0 - 07/09/2012 – Features: New user interface, Activity Stream to filter unnecessary email out of the inbox, dedicated Search tab, enterprise calendaring, ActiveSync 12.1 with mobile-device-management capabilities, Unified Communications to link Mitel and Cisco VoIP phones to the Zimbra Web Client (users can call from Zimbra, listen to voicemails, etc.), multi-node appliance for VMware Hypervisor, support for rolling upgrades, multi-master for LDAP and support for Active Directory provisioning •	ZCS 7.0.x - February 2011 - Features: SPNEGO and OAuth support, introduction of Dumpster, S/MIME support, translations for the APAC region, introduction (beta) of the Free/Busy calendar view •	VMware buys Zimbra in January 2010 •	ZCS 6.0.x - 2009 •	ZCS 5.0 - February 2008 - Features: BlackBerry and Outlook 2007 support plus Web 2.0 IM and task applications •	ZCS 4.5 - February 2007 - Features: Advanced search, domains, servers, backup and restore in the Admin Console, backup performance improvements, backup management, disk layout and filesystems •	Yahoo! Buys Zimbra in 2007. •	ZCS 3.0 GA - February 2006 – Features: Outlook PST import utility, ZCS Connector for Outlook (2003), ability for a global administrator to delegate domain-level administrators, group calendar with sharing and delegation, spell check, Zimlets, Outlook support (Network Edition), REST API’s, MS Exchange migration tools and AJAX UI performance improvements •	ZCS 3.0 - Beta 2 - November 2005 - First release of Network Edition, Zimbra’s commercial offering. Features: free/busy calendaring, group scheduling, multiple calendars per user, delegation, sharing resources, time zones and mini-calendar •	Early 2003 – Zimbra is launched

Overview Zimbra software consists of client and server components.

The Zimbra Web Client is a collaboration platform that provides email, calendar, contacts, file sharing, tasks, chat and videoconferencing. Users can access their Zimbra account on any smart device, with mail clients like Microsoft Outlook and Apple Mail, and via web browsers.

Zimbra can be deployed on a Linux server environment, on the Windows Server 2016 environment using containers and virtually. The platform supports POP, IMAP , CalDAV , CardDAV and SMTP for messaging, and LDAP for directory services. Zimbra relies on Postfix for its MTA functionality, which comes bundled with Zimbra. The platform is interoperable with Microsoft Exchange, various desktop clients and browsers and Microsoft Active Directory (AD). It includes technology from ClamAV, SpamAssassin and DSPAM for anti-malware features and S/MIME for email signing and encryption. Zimbra can be administered using command line interface commands or using the Zimbra Admin Console.

Included open source projects The Zimbra Collaboration Server uses open source projects such as : •	Postfix •	MariaDB (since version 8.5) •	OpenDKIM (since version 8.0) •	OpenLDAP •	Jetty (since version 5) •	Lucene •	ClamAV •	SpamAssassin •	Amavis (amavisd-new) •	DSPAM •	Aspell •	nginx (since 5.0) •	ØMQ (since 8.0) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZeroMQ •	Cyrus SASL •	CB PolicyD •	Unbound •	S/MIME •	Apache HTTPD •	Memcached •	LibreOffice •	RRDtool •	SSDB •	HP KeyView •	Swatch

It previously used: •	MySQL (last used in version 8.0) •	Apache Tomcat (last used in version 4.5) •	Perdition mail retrieval proxy (until 4.5)

Gayle Billat (talk) 19:57, 17 October 2019 (UTC)


 * We can't just drop in a whole new article like that without comparing it to the existing article. We try to avoid putting text as lists, see WP:PROSE for some explanation there. You really need to show what changes you would like to see. - Ahunt (talk) 20:56, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi Ahunt - can you refer me to WP pages describing how I should show the changes? Markup language I shd use? Etc? Sorry that I have no clue how to do this. Thank you very much for your help! Gayle Billat (talk) 19:53, 21 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Very simple: just show which text needs replacing and propose new text to replace it. - Ahunt (talk) 20:16, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Update ...
Hi ahunt,

The updates I proposed Oct 21 were my attempt at showing you my proposed changes to the Zimbra page. Can you still see that page, so you can see my proposed changes? It showed the before/after. I actually edited the new text to make it as factual as I can, hopefully removing any marketing-style text.

I've searched through wikipedia guidelines, and I hope I'm doing an okay job with them.

Please let me know the best way to work with you to get the page updated.

I appreciate your help! Gayle 2601:647:CB02:8960:48D2:5690:967A:A97E (talk) 16:02, 23 October 2019 (UTC)


 * I can see it that way in comparing the versions, but it isn't ideal to do it that way, as it then is in the article history. It is better to propose new wording here, but by showing what you think needs changing, rather than a whole new version of the article.


 * That said I have looked at what you want to change it to and we just can't do that here. You added wording like, "Network Edition can be deployed on-premises, via public or private cloud or as a hybrid solution" and "Synacor delivers advertising solutions, email and collaboration platforms, and cloud-based identity management", just to give two examples. That is pure corp-speak advertising wording, the sort of thing that belongs on the company website, not in an encyclopedia. We classify it as WP:SPAM and WP:PEACOCK here. As far as adding the product changelog in point form like that, that is covered under WP:NOTCHANGELOG. We could summarize key changes between versions in a table or prose. Again we don't use advertising language like "Features: Email-as-a-service, container-based, cloud-native product designed for reliability and redundancy." It is purely WP:PROMOTIONAL and not encyclopedia content. - Ahunt (talk) 17:23, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

All of my proposed updates are shown below with updates indicated by "  If there is an easier way to show changes, please let me know ... Thanks!

Previous: Zimbra Collaboration Suite (ZCS) is a collaborative software suite that includes an email server and a web client. Zimbra Collaboration is an email collaboration platform that includes an email server and a web client.

The Zimbra Collaboration Suite was first released in 2005. Zimbra Collaboration was first released in 2005.

Edition The software consists of both client and server components = DELETE ", and a desktop client" =. Two versions of Zimbra are available: an open-source version, and a commercially supported version ("Network Edition") with closed-source components such as a proprietary Messaging Application Programming Interface connector to Outlook for calendar and contact synchronisation.[9]

DELETE THIS PARAGRAPH: Zimbra Desktop is a full-featured free desktop email client.[10] Development was discontinued under VMware's stewardship in 2013 but was restarted in February 2014. In addition, the webclient features an HTML5 offline mode starting with version 8.5.[11]

The = CHANGE "ZCS" to "Zimbra" = Web Client is a full-featured collaboration suite that supports email, group calendars, = OLD "and document sharing using an Ajax web interface that enables tool tips, drag-and-drop items, and right-click menus in the UI." PROPOSED NEW ", document sharing, chat, and videoconferencing." = Also included are advanced searching capabilities and date relations, online document authoring, "Zimlet" mashups, and a full administration UI. It is written using the Zimbra Ajax Toolkit.[12]

The ZCS Server uses several open source projects (see the section, Included open source projects). It exposes a SOAP application programming interface to all its functionality and is also an IMAP and POP3 server. The server runs on many Linux distributions = PROPOSED NEW ", on the Windows Server environment, virtually, and using container technology.[13] It supports CalDAV, CardDAV and SMTP for messaging, LDAP for directory services, and Microsoft Active Directory (AD). Zimbra uses Postfix for its MTA functionality. It includes technology from ClamAV, SpamAssassin and DSPAM for anti-malware features and S/MIME for email signing and encryption. = [13] OS X Server support was dropped with version ZCS 7.0.

ZCS can synchronize mail, contacts, and calendar items with open-source mail clients such as = PROPOSED ADDITION "Thunderbird and" = Evolution and also with proprietary clients such as Microsoft Outlook and Apple Mail, either through proprietary connectors or using the ActiveSync protocol,[14] both available exclusively in the commercially supported version. Zimbra also provides native two-way sync to many mobile devices = PROPOSED CHANGE TO DELETE REST OF THIS SENTENCE (Nokia Eseries, BlackBerry, Windows Mobile, iPhone, Android) =.[9]

2601:647:CB02:8960:597B:DA38:255C:1846 (talk) 18:32, 23 October 2019 (UTC)


 * I have some questions. You want to replace "Zimbra Collaboration Suite" with "Zimbra Collaboration", but then refer to it as "ZCS", which seems to be an abbreviation for "Zimbra Collaboration Suite". What name is the company using these days? "Zimbra Collaboration" seem an odd grammatical form, the term is missing the subjective noun.


 * Also why do you want historical information removed? This is an encyclopedia, we normally keep hisorical information. - Ahunt (talk) 01:05, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

We have changed our product name from Zimbra Collaboration Server to Zimbra Collaboration, thus the changes here. I am trying to edit out all uses of Zimbra Collaboration Server and ZCS. I do not want to delete historical info. Are the other changes I have proposed acceptable? Many thanks for your help! Gayle Billat (talk) 18:02, 28 October 2019 (UTC)


 * I can make the name change, but I will indicate it is a new name and still mention the old one and original dates, since that is of historical value. I can't sort out the other changes you have proposed from the existing text that we need to retain. - Ahunt (talk) 06:42, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi - I changed the text above to show my proposed changes inline. I used " = " and all caps to show my proposed changes. I hope that is clear. Please let me know how to best indicate proposed changes. Thanks! Gayle Billat (talk) 15:10, 29 October 2019 (UTC)


 * {[Done}} Okay I have incorporated as many of your changes as I can, but retained the historical data and particularly the historical capabilities. - Ahunt (talk) 18:07, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. Gayle Billat (talk) 18:14, 30 October 2019 (UTC)