Talk:Zinedine Zidane/Archive 5

Enzo Zidane
I don't know if this is the correct place to discuss this. Should "Enzo Zidane" be unlinked to this page? "Enzo Zidane" is Zinedine Zidane's eldest, who might become a notable player, and it is important for users to realise that "Enzo Zidane" is not Zinedine Zidane; the impression is made if Enzo Zidane is linked to Zinedine Zidane. (Lord Shivan (talk) 08:39, 18 December 2008 (UTC))

Player Profile?
Would it be possible to add a section describing Zidane's playing style? Or is the article already too long? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wushugene (talk • contribs) 16:08, 31 December 2006 (UTC).


 * His style? Sure, there is plenty of room to put the word 'brilliant'. Or did you mean describing his his signature "Roulette" move? Ryecatcher773 04:53, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Something more needs to be said about how good he was. There's nothing there at all. Look at Maradona's page, surely there needs to be some consistency? Bagli1 (talk) 22:48, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * That's the kind of thing we try to avoid, so look on it as a plus point that his article isn't like Maradona's. - Dudesleeper / Talk  20:03, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * has really good information on Zidane's playing style. Maybe someone could sift through that information on concise it; it is rather large. (Lord Shivan (talk) 08:50, 18 December 2008 (UTC))


 * It would be very unencyclopedic to *not* have something on Zidane's playing style. There is something iconic about the way Zidane's approach to football, always on his own terms. There is a lot of talk about the number 10 but Zidane is one of a very select few who define the dying playmaker position. Just discussing the number of trophies he has won and the number of goals a player has scored is I think very demeaning and over simplifies his contributions to the game. Being neutral is one thing; declining to discuss the significance of one of the sport's great icons is another.Veinofstars (talk) 00:51, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Muslim
Zidane listed as a famous muslim, but does mention it anywhere in the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.26.98.195 (talk) 08:15, 12 March 2007 (UTC).


 * I think he says somewhere that he's a non-practicing muslim? Wushugene 20:46, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not aware of any firsthand quote or deed of Zidane that indicates he is Muslim. Until one is referenced in the article he should not be listed as such. He does not practise at all, and his wife and kids are non-Muslims. Karpouzi (talk) 13:59, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


 * His fourth son's name is a Muslim. --212.76.72.252 (talk) 18:23, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Zidane has Arab blood and heritage in him. That's a Fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.104.187.61 (talk) 03:40, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Zidane has Kabyle blood and heritage in him. Kabyles are not Arabs. And that is irrelevant to his religion. Karpouzi (talk) 06:25, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * And religion is irrelevant to his article. - Dudesleeper / Talk  09:36, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * This is a biographical article about a famous person. Every bit of information about him, whether positive or negative, is relevant and must be added to this article. I dont see any reason as to why his religion must not be specified in his "Personal life" section of the article. Adding this in no way violates wikipedia's policy on biography of living persons, especially since it is properly sourced.Joyson Noel (talk)

Since htere is no article to support that Zidane is a muslim then it should not be mentioned becaused it is not reliable information. It violate wikipedia policy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.140.91.234 (talk) 08:24, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Out of retirement to Los Angeles?
Headline should really be changed, I think, to something like 'Possible comback' or 'Rumoured comebacks'. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.192.143.93 (talk) 22:34, 28 April 2007 (UTC).


 * 100% False. It is just rumours. Zidane is officially retired from professional football.

#5 shirt at Real
I'm not sure if the paragraph about his #5 shirt (diff) going to Cannavaro has much relevance to this article. It's not like Zidane personally gave the number to Cannavaro. Zidane simply happened to vacate it when he left the club, and as a new arrival, Cannavaro took a number that was available, just as Zidane took a vacant number when he arrived at Real. Unless there's some source stating this is anything more than a coincidence, I'm taking it out. --Ytny (talk) 15:09, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It is an interesting information. I wasn't trying to stress that Zidane personally gave the number to Cannavaro. It will be a good trivia material.Madan | Talk 14:56, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

3 World Cup finales, not 2
Hi, Zidane particpated in 3 world cup finals. In 2002, he was injured and did not play matches # 1 and # 2 vs Senegal and Uruguay. But he played the last match of first round vs Denmark.


 * In the article's statement, "two World Cup Finals" is referring to the Final of the World Cup Finals. France did not make it into the Final of the 2002 World Cup Finals as they did not win a game or even score in the group stage.  While the term "World Cup" technically includes the qualifying rounds and the finals tournament, "World Cup" is commonly used when referring only to the World Cup Finals tournament while "World Cup Final" is commonly used to refer to the very last game of the finals tournament. - Slow Graffiti 03:53, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Why is there no section on the 1998 World Cup.. surely it's the event that catapulted him to international fame. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.43.89 (talk) 02:22, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Removed weasel words and POV
Zidane is knows to be quiet modest and shy - by who? Zidane has occasionally shown a quick temper. The word 'occasionally' is POV. Many would disagre that a forward who got sent off 14 times is his career is only 'occasionally' quick tempered. Cf Alan Shearer, who despite being a more physical player (and playing 80 more games) received two red cards in his career, one of which was overturned on appeal. Thehalfone 09:26, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I take these to be comments on his overall personality, not his on-pitch demeanor. Athletics has a way of bringing out a different side of people.  In the interviews and videos of him off the pitch, I find those three adjectives to be accurate. - Slow Graffiti 03:53, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Zidane is a shy man because his a good and simple person, plus his star sign is a cancerian. That is fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.104.187.61 (talk) 03:47, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Why is there no section on the 1998 World Cup.. surely it's the event that catapulted him to international fame.

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Lipreading accuracy
"Sources of these translations often vary and some are based not on facts whatsoever. However, professional lip readers have been able to provide very accurate recounts of the event."

I understand a discussion about lipreading may not be appropriate in this place, however I would like to point out that lipreading is typically inaccurate and a big deal should not be made out of what has been lipread. It is true that some extremely rare gifted individuals can lipread remarkably well (close to 100%), but tests to prove it are always conducted in the lipreader's native language, and on high quality full frontal videos (e.g. A speechreading expert: The case of MM - J Rönnberg, J Andersson, S Samuelsson, B … - Journal of Speech, Language, and Hearing Research, 1999 - ASHA). The claim that it is possible to "provide very accurate recounts" by lipreading in a non native language from a much less than optimal video are unprovable and almost certainly exaggerated.

Wrong nationality
"Zinedine Yazid Zidane (IPA: [ˌzineˈdin jaziːd ziˈdan]; born 23 June 1972), popularly nicknamed Zizou, is a retired Italian football player of Algerian descent, famous for leading Italy to winning the 1998 World Cup": can someone please change that ? (s/italian/french/ and s/Italy/France/) when editing the page the correct country is displayed but the wrong country and nationality remain when saving. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.21.132.232 (talk) 23:03, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Zidane is a French citizen of Algerian heritage. That is so cool. Once again, Zidane is just too good and too famous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.104.199.169 (talk) 16:15, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Zidane is a French citizen of Algerian blood. True. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.104.187.61 (talk) 04:44, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Name in Arabic
In previous editions of this article, Zidane's name written in Arabic was included. I wonder why was it removed? 124.106.201.225 12:38, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

tatp —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.200.164.152 (talk) 17:36, 11 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Probably because Zidane isn't Arab and, as far as I know, doesn't have any Arab ancestry. Zidane is French-born of Algerian-kabyle descent. Metropolitan 2:33, 13 November 2007 (UTC).


 * if he is algerian descent that means he is arab cause one of his parents should be from algeria therefore he has arab acnestry —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vacumecleaner (talk • contribs) 09:53, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


 * He is of Kabyle descent, therefore he doesn't have Arab ancestry. Karpouzi (talk) 13:59, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Zidane has Arab blood and heritage in him. That is a Fact! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.104.187.61 (talk) 03:16, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Zidane's nationality and ethnic background does not matter. His talents and achievements speaks for it self. Zidane is just too good and too famous, end of story. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.104.199.169 (talk) 16:10, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Zidane himself might not be an Arab but his name is certainly a muslim name with Arabic roots. It's correct pronounciation can only be achieved in Arabic (Zayn-ud-din Al-Yazid Al-Zidan). Therefore it wouldn't hurt to have his name written in the Arabic/Persian script as well. If someone could update it it would be appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.229.30 (talk) 21:27, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Juventus/Real Madrid section
The section about Zidane's time in Juventus and Real Madrid is unbelievably short. Considering this was the pinnacle of his carreer, it must be expanded. Just compare the length of the Zidane-Materazzi section with the Juventus/Real Madrid section. It's absurd!!! In fact, I think it deserves two separate sections for each one of those clubs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.127.31.184 (talk) 07:22, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * ...buddy algeria is an arab country buddy boy —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vacumecleaner (talk • contribs) 09:28, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Just make the Arabas happy and add him. He's at least Muslim, I know that for sure he prays at my local mosque. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.201.119.207 (talk) 15:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Algeria is an Arab and a muslim country. That's a fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.104.187.61 (talk) 03:44, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

World Player of the Year Awards
I know its relatively insignificant but it annoys me that the female footballer Birgit Prinz is placed in the same bracket as Ronaldo and Zidane, both male footballers abviously. She absolutely shouldn't be mentioned. He, by definition, is a male footballer while she is of course a female footballer. They are two different fields and entirely seperate, in much the same way as Roger Federer is chasing Pete Sampras' grand slam record not Margaret Court's. Its too poltically correct and insulting so get rid of it Lazarus89 (talk) 02:35, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Death
Can someone please post a source of his death.


 * First off, it was vandalism. Secondly, please sign all queries and/or comments with four tildes (these things: ~). Thank you. Ryecatcher773 (talk) 08:42, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Very silly. It is just rumours. Ignorant people tend to make up stories just to critise a famous player.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.104.197.166 (talk) 16:35, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Better picture?
Isn´t any other free picture, better than Zizou in his training suit ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Periptero (talk • contribs) 22:43, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * There you go, I hope you like it :) Sir Wolf (talk) 12:19, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Perfect. I'd gotten tired of the original (and cumbersome) picture. Thanks for changing it. Beemer 69   chitchat  17:26, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Discipline Section
I noticed there's some edit debate over the existance of the discipline section, and I figured it might be worth trying to hash out a consensus on the talk page. Looking things over, it seemed the discipline section only really added a claim that he sometimes had a short temper (unnecessary) and the fact that he was the 4th player to be sent off in a world cup final. All the other stuff was covered in other parts of the article. I added the 4th player thing to the current section on the Materazzi affair, and with that in I'm quite happy without the discipline section since it was just duplicate information. Any thoughts? Vickser (talk) 22:25, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * In all honesty, there is no debate. Some new anonymous user decided to bring it back one week after it was removed. Beemer 69   chitchat  23:01, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Berber ethnicity
Allright, while I didn't necessarily see the necessity of adding his ethnic origins in the first place I even more so not see any justification in removing (diff) them once they have been placed in the article. This is a biographical article about a person and the information removed is relevant. I'm re-reverting it to the previous edit. - Stemel (talk) 15:12, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Sadly, the ethnicity field doesn't exist in the infobox template, so it was redundant, hence my initial reversion. I'd have written as such in my edit summary, but I was on a quick pass-through. - Dudesleeper / Talk  18:01, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah I get it, sorry for that.. how noob of me:), I hadn't seen anything in the summary and thought it was sort of a biased edit. Stemel (talk) 16:34, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Thalassemia
Zidane was diagnosed with thalassemia minor. This may have affected his endurance. Where should this information be added?--Scotchorama (talk) 17:05, 7 November 2008 (UTC)