Talk:Zippy the Pinhead

Trivia removal
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 * Zippy is also mentioned in a seinfeld episode("The Stall" Season 5 Ep. 12)where jerry remarks excitedly "zippy the pinhead" in a conversation with george.

Odd capitalization aside, this strikes me as stunningly uninteresting. I believe that Seinfeld (which I've never seen) is or was a popular show, but the mere fact that this or that was excitedly mentioned by him isn't worth the pixels (let alone bytes). -- Hoary 08:23, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

This has since expanded. After the latest reinsertion it reads:


 * In the Seinfeld episode " The Stall" Elaines boyfriend tony played by Dan Cortese falls during a rock climbing adventure with Kramer and George. In the aftermath of the incident Elaine says tony might look like a monster and is worried. Jerry then says he might look like Zippy the Pinhead. Here is an excerpt from www.seinfeldscripts.com




 *     +  ELAINE:he's supposed to get the bandages off on Sunday.. what if?


 *     +  JERRY:what?


 *     +  ELAINE:you know (acts like a monster)


 *     +  JERRY:oh you're afraid he might look like Zippy the pinhead

This tells us nothing whatever about Zippy. (Moreover, it strikes me as supremely uninteresting about Seinfeld.) If there is no lucid counterargument, I'll delete it and make sure it's deleted. Meanwhile, yes, I invite lucid counterargument. -- Hoary 01:26, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Speaking of Seinfeld, it is also mentioned in one of the Zippy comics that deals with the dark nature of the superhero comics. In one scene, Zippy and Griffy are grabbed by that superdude called "Testosterono, The Thing From Below", after being exiled from a superhero fan-ridden comic book store, and stuffed into a molten volcano. As they are sinking into the lava that would change them into "The Chastiser" and "Pinman", Zippy tells Testosterono, who thinks he's doomed them to die, "Think of all the Seinfeld episodes we'll miss!!"  Here's a link: "They'll Short-Circuit Your Shorts!!" --Angeldeb82 02:08, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Zippy is mentioned in other media
Hi there. First off do not insult my capitilazation as the point here is Zippy not my grammar or writing technique. I put this fact in because the section is titled Zippy in other media. I figured people might want to know that Zippy was mentioned in a mainstream television show. It is in the other media section, isn't that what it's for? I can understand it may be a bit verbose on my part but I think the fact should remain even if it is shortened because it is about Zippy being mentioned in other media. Thank you for your time. Have a great day and thank you for the advice/message!!!!! .... Added at 12:19, 10 October 2006 by Kramer84


 * If you read the rest of the section, you'll see that it's about actual or planned versions or adaptations (and not mere mentions) of Zippy in other media. These are:
 * An entire movie about Zippy
 * An entire play about Zippy and Griffith's other characters
 * A substantial section of a movie in which an actor impersonates Zippy
 * A widely distributed collection of a thousand Zippy quotes.
 * To me, these are an enormous contrast with a single remark oh you're afraid he might look like Zippy the pinhead; which is quite different.


 * So, Zippy was mentioned in a mainstream US TV show. I guess that goes to show that mainstream US TV isn't utterly brain-dead, but it was a much less significant appearance than this one (linked to from here), and I still don't see how it says anything about Zippy -- except that Zippy isn't hopelessly obscure, a fact that readers will surely be able to infer from other material in the article. -- Hoary 13:07, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I re-inserted the reference to Seinfeld, because I searched this page hoping to find the episode of Seinfeld that mentions Zippy the Pinhead. After not finding it, I saw in the discussion that it is only Hoary who doesn't want the Seinfeld reference. If more people want it removed, that is fine. But only one person who says they have never watched the show: that isn't enough reason to remove this reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.204.26.208 (talk) 18:24, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Ok
Well then would it be satisfactory to just write "Zippy the pinhead was also mentioned in a seinfeld episode" since the title of the section is Zippy in other media. Television is in fact other media so I do have a point. It is not titled "Zippy is supposed to be adapted into a movie." I still think this is a fact that some people might want to know. Thoughts.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kramer84 (talk • contribs).


 * Seinfeld had a larger public than Zippy, and so if Zippy the strip or Zippy the character was mentioned in Seinfeld then it's hardly surprising that this would be what tipped off some people, even many people, to the existence of Zippy. But, though not enormously popular, Zippy wasn't obscure before the Seinfeld mention, and no particular reason has been presented to suggest that the mention was significant. -- Hoary (talk) 01:50, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

?
Well I for one never heard of Zippy until he was mentioned in Seinfeld. That is what lead me to looking up Zippy in the first place. Before Seinfeld mentioned it I never heard of him and that is why I looked him up to see if there was an actual Zippy. You say " So, Zippy was mentioned in a mainstream US TV show. I guess that goes to show that mainstream US TV isn't utterly brain-dead..." like all mainstream TV is brain dead. You come of like you think you are so much better than everyone else. Like adding something to your precious little Zippy that you do not like is a crime. I still think it is a fact about him. I have reviewed other articles here and they have factoids like mine all the time. I guess TV isn't other media to you? Oh well I could care less at this point. No point in beating a dead horse.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kramer84 (talk • contribs).


 * Right, well, there may have been many people like yourself. You happened not to have known of Zippy whereas I happened to have known of Zippy; of course that doesn't mean I'm more knowledgable than you, let alone better. For one thing you (and millions of others) know much more about Seinfeld than I do. Look, sorry if I offended you; this was not the intention. But another fact is that articles such as this one tend to get lists of mere mentions added to them, and it's very rare that these lists add up to anything. -- Hoary (talk) 01:50, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Very well. Agreed. No harm no foul. Good luck going forward. Thank you for the debate and you have made your point and a believer out of me! Kramer84 (talk) 16:02, 22 April 2009 (UTC)kramer84

Nickelback
Does that comment about the line "Are we having fun yet?" have any bearing on the article whatsoever? I think it's a bit of a stretch to assume that the line had any tie to Zippy.

140.185.215.122 19:19, 12 March 2007 (UTC)Steve


 * It very obviously has a tie to Zippy. The character often says it, and one of the books that collect the strips is titled Are We Having Fun Yet? Of course this does not mean that the phrase originated with Zippy, and it's proper to demand evidence for any such assertion. -- Hoary (talk) 01:50, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Emacs source
The claim that Zippy quotes are being erased in Emacs 22 could use a citation. 128.220.223.61 19:29, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

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Clown suit vs Muumuu
The comic itself describes Zippy's outifit as a clown suit in the "guide to understanding zippy". However, the creator himself describes Zippy as wearing a muumuu in a certain book. What are we to make of this? I think it is clearly a clown suit, because muumuus clearly do not have collars like the one Zippy has. I am familiar with Zippy, but I am no fanboy. If someone can tell me why we should support one version over another I would be glad to hear it, otherwise all I can conclude is that we don't really know what he is wearing because of the contradictions, and that both should be listed. --ErgoSum88 (talk) 21:47, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Note that "clown suit" is in quotation marks in the relevant source. Clowns may wear a variety of costumes - the essence of them is that they are exaggerated and humorous. A muumuu is more specific in that it is specifically dress-like and so the reader is better informed. Perhaps we may use a form of words which conveys a full picture, e.g. "Zippy wears a clownish, polka-dot costume which the author tells us is a muumuu"? Colonel Warden (talk) 00:11, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * That sounds good to me. --ErgoSum88 (talk) 01:14, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

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Live Portrayal
Not sure where you would fit this into the soup of the main article, but I'll drop it here for posterity , and you may do with it what you will.

Way back in the late 70's / early 80's, KQED - the San Francisco PBS station - produced a television series called "Video West". It was an offbeat show covering the "Bay Area" counter culture and other "local" oddities. It was not uncommon to see an episode about ,say, Anton LaVey and his Satan based shenanigans , then a bunch of live gigs at the Mabuhay Gardens by folks like DEVO or The Dead Kennedys, and then some sort of local "art" film. ( A sort of localized "Mondo Kane".)

Among the cornucopia of weirdness, were several filmed inserts , and one fully hosted episode , featuring Zippy The Pinhead. He was performed by Jim Turner (aka MTV's "Randy of the Redwoods".) of The Ducks Breath Mystery Theatre, whom had quite the cult following around San Francisco at the time. ( It is unknown, to me anyways , if Bill Griffith approved this early portrayal or not. ) 75.104.162.60 (talk) 17:30, 22 October 2019 (UTC)