Talk:Ziva David

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" She is consistently seen wearing the Star of David on her necklace, but does not appear to follow Orthodox Jewish strictures (for example, she works on Saturdays)"

While she doesn't seem to be Orthodox, she would probably be allowed to work on Saturdays since her job is often literally a matter of life or death.96.232.55.195 (talk) 03:27, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Languages
"Ziva speaks five languages; including Hebrew, English, Arabic, Turkish, and Spanish"

I took "including" out. If she speaks 5 languages, then list the five. You would need more than five, for it to be "including" those five. Feel free to change it back if you disagree, though. 23:45, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Why is Belgian French listed as one of the seven languages she can speak? Belgian French is like American is to English. French-French is understood by the Belgian French speakers and vise versa. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.241.190.13 (talk) 20:41, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

She says she speaks 5 languages early in the 3rd season, so why does the article say otherwise? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.251.48.12 (talk) 10:05, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

According to an episode I watched recently, from season 9,(which, of course I can't recall of the top of my head) she said she speaks 9. We have definitly seen her speak English, Hebrew, Arabic, and Turkish, and possibly Spanish and Russian. Jpech 9  5  00:42, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Kosher
"Ziva keeps Kosher. This is known because in season 3 when McGee buys the team dinner, Tony tells her not to worry because the food is Kosher." As i remember, this supposed to be a joke from Tony, so Ziva does not habe too keep koscher.


 * What was decided about the Kosher issue? The only reference I can come up with is Tony's rather joking one, so if there is no other support than that, I think the fact should be taken down.  CrashCart9 05:17, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Ziva clearly doesn't keep kosher, in the episode Kill Ari (pt. 2) she asks Tony for a pizza slice, without looking at the box (to look for a kosher stamp), she didn't even looked at the pizza itself (before asking for it) to see if there was meat/sea food etc. on it. I'm removing the entry. Lizrael 14:20, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

There is actually another reference to this in season 3. I can't remember the episode, but Tony hands Ziva some food (if memory serves me correctly) and she says something like 'no thanks, it's not exactly kosher'. This may have been an excuse to turn down the visually unappealing dish she was being offered, but I thought this was worth mentioning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.111.223.26 (talk) 22:40, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

There also is, in the first episode of the 3rd season, when Gibbs gives Tony a pizza while he is tailing Ziva, and she takes a bite of it--it is clearly pepperoni pizza.

Also, she meant "not exactly Kosher" as in purely disgusting, I think.

The nuzzle
In a couple of episodes - most recently "Suspicion" - Ziva has been shown seductively "nuzzling" people she has been threatening. (In "Suspicion" we see her do this when she forces the police officer to apologize to the Iraqi suspect). What should we call his - a "trademark move"? Or just a bit of strangeness on her part? 23skidoo 14:35, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup

 * This article needs the editorial content removed. I got rid of a lot of it, particularly in the Trivia section, but it still needs help.


 * In the NCIS character template bit, there's one item titled "Home city". This needs changed to "Hometown" or something similar, as now it points to Ziva's home city as Israel, which is not a city, obviously.


 * I broke up the Character part of the article - it was too long and as such, difficult to read. The new section, however, needs work.
 * There's a significant amount of information about her interaction with DiNozzo interspersed throughout the article, so much so that her interaction with him could easily be a subsection of that header if it were all pulled out.
 * However, for continuity purposes, it would look better the other characters had subsections also, and many of them (truly, all but Abby) do not have enough information to justify that at this point.
 * The Gibbs area of the interaction section in particular needs fleshed out, as there is much more information out there that could be added to show a more complete overview of Ziva's interaction with fellow NCIS members.

In all, this is a pretty woeful little selection of information about the character, particularly in formatting and editorial areas. It needs a lot more work than I can give to it at the moment. CrashCart9 00:07, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Isn't anybody updating the information? Nothing has been done for a few years now.63.3.2.130 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:12, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Zaka
I don't want to do it myself, someone might think it's vandalism and reverse it, but ZAKA (Zain, Kuf, Alef זק"א - זיהוי קורבנות אסון, Identification of Victim of Horrors, in loose translation) is a very famous oranization in Israel. They are incharge of collecting all the pieces of the dead after terror attacks, since according to the halacha you have to bury the whole body at once. During the active years of Intifadas kids even dressed like them in Purim. Please remove or alter the line in the trivia section, most of Zakas activity takes place in Israel, they mainly collect money in the US. Lizrael 21:30, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm removing the entry. Lizrael 14:47, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Army Service
People who are accepted to Mossad are those who completed officers training in the IDF. So, besides the obligatory two years, officers serve at least nine month more, and in some units even two years more. Unless we know for sure that Ziva wasn't an officer, we can't determine the length of her service. Lizrael 12:34, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The sentence added again is wrong, today, males have to serve three years and females only two. In the past the service for girls was even shorter. Since we can't really know for how long she served, until it is mentioned in the show, I removed the wrong sentence, stop adding it. Lizrael 09:37, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Even though the person above is talking about IDF service. she also talks about some of her mossad missions prior to NCIS. ill try to add it, i just have to figure out what shows had the references

Ziva & Ducky
Greetings. For the relationship between Ziva & Ducky I kind of got the impression that it was sort of a "they bonded because they are the two outsiders", both in terms of neither one is American, and, in the begining at least, neither one were part of the main field team (Ducky in the lab and Ziva not yet integrated). Did any-one else get this vibe? Gecko G (talk) 10:29, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

To a point, I do agree with you, although I also think it was something to do with Ducky being one of the only ones to wholeheartedly welcome her. Ziva had hostility from Abby and she clashed heads with Tony when she first arrived over their intentions for Ari Haswari. I think Ziva latched onto Ducky and McGee because of this, but I think you are right as well. They shared the outsider thing, and Ziva and McGee shared the 'probie' role in common. Sky83 (talk) 12:39, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

clean up 2
this is the back story paragraph Backstory When her younger sister, Tali, was killed in a Hamas suicide bombing, Ziva was already a Mossad operative at the time and states that she was in the Israeli army for an unspecified time (It is assumed that this time was at least two years as that is the minimum compulsory service all Israeli women undertake), whilst claiming that no-one recruited her, she volunteered for Mossad.Actualmente esta casada con un tipo que se llama Manuel Reyes y es de Monterrey N.L. Mexico, tiene una niña llamada Andrea [2]

Ziva speaks at least six languages fluently: English, Hebrew,[3] Spanish,[4] Arabic,[5] Turkish[6] and French.[7] She is also able to speak basic German, Italian and Russian.[5]

Note there is a sentance there in spanish. I have removed it but could someone translate that to see if it is needed? thanx Lovingnews1989 (talk) 11:11, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Ziva vs. Xiva?
Why is the title of the article "Ziva David" but every mention of her is spelt "Xiva"? Any particular reason for this? Sarsaparilla39 (talk) 12:03, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Clean Up 3
Have rewritten man chunks, using more adult language, adding citations etc...Thinning down a lot of the Tony/Ziva as well as expanding on others. Have added trivia section, not sure if suitable for wiki. Page may still need some work, but removed tags; resembles fansite(although if you feel it does, edit out trivia), and source tags it has been referenced as much as possible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.37.241.77 (talk) 23:21, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Age
in season 7 episode 3 "The Inside Man" On her application to be an NCIS agent, her birth year is listed as 1982 I think that needs to added —Preceding unsigned comment added by Therealmedd (talk • contribs) 06:11, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you have a citation? --AussieLegend (talk) 07:28, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Photobucket is not a reliable source so it can't be used in the article. An episode number/title with approximate time would be able to be used in Cite episode though. --AussieLegend (talk) 00:34, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

College
In the season 4 episode "Dead Man Walking", Ziva says that she went to college in Israel. If she's been with Mossad since she left the army, when would she have been able to go to college? Tad Lincoln (talk) 07:39, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

A little late to reply and this won't help much at all but that's not really a question for Wikipedia, but for the producers. Good question though, she might have gone to college part-time while in the Mossad. Jpech95 (talk) 01:00, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

"I'm tired of pretending" --quote meaning
This is put in the article as a relationship "milestone" between the two, but I watched the episode a long time ago and then again today and I don't think it is in that sense, but they are talking about the politics regarding NCIS; I don't believe they are talking about each other, although it is possible that it was word play on part of the writers. However, I think it should be considered being taken out of the article or reworded differently because the meaning in the show is not entirely clear. In my opinion, it is more of a line that can be for fiction writers.75.185.108.124 (talk) 22:13, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Improvements
This notice was added at the top of the page nearly two years ago: "This article describes a work or element of fiction in a primarily in-universe style. Please help rewrite it to explain the fiction more clearly and provide non-fictional perspective." Are there any elements, specifically, that need to be added or altered in order to fix this problem? --68.6.227.26 (talk) 03:16, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
 * As this particular issue has been largely rectified, I would like to remove the notice from the top of the page. --68.6.227.26 (talk) 01:39, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Suggestions
I think that the long analysis of the character's relationships is perhaps too extensive. Also, it seems a little odd that a fictional character would have a section entitled "personal life", and most of the information can be rearranged and placed elsewhere in the article. Overall, I think it would be a good idea to reorganize the structure of the article a bit. --1ST7 (talk) 01:34, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Reception
I'm thinking it might be a good idea to add a new section on general reception like those on several of the other character pages. While the "Cultural Significance" part of the article covers a substantial amount of information on the impact of the character, there's still some that would be relevant but would not fit well under this section. --1ST7 (talk) 06:18, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Possessive s
How to use the possessive s for Gibbs seems to be an issue on several of the NCIS character pages. The grammar is kind of confusing as it is, so I tried to figure out which form - Gibbs' or Gibbs's - would be correct before changing anything. This website appeared to indicate that Gibbs's would be the best way to go, so I'm working on changing the article to fit that. --1ST7 (talk) 19:17, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * MOS:POSS prescribes several methods of applying the possessive s, with "add just an apostrophe" being one of them. A principle of the MOS is that once a style has been applied, stick with it and apply it consistently. NCIS articles have evolved over the years to use the "add just an apostrophe" method, so it shouldn't be changed. There are cases where editors have added "'s", but we try to fix these when they're noticed. A quick check just now showed that, of 85 related articles, only 14 didn't consistently use "Gibbs'", so we should stick with the consistent, "add just an apostrophe" method. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 22:31, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * If there's already an established method, then you're right, the article should stick with it. Thanks for responding and clearing up this issue. --1ST7 (talk) 23:49, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Split discussion
I'm posting this on the pages for Ziva David and Anthony DiNozzo as it concerns both of them. There is currently an issue with the sections on the characters' relationship in both articles. In each case, these sections are the largest part of the part of the articles and are comprised mostly of speculation and plot. Also, they essentially say the same thing. Because of the length and the amount of material that might need to be added to comply with Manual of Style/Writing about fiction, I think that a split would be the best way to go. There's enough sources for the subject to have its own article, and this way would allow it to be covered in a more nonfictional, neutral, and comprehensive way without dominating the original pages.

The split wouldn't be immediate; it might take some time for the new article to be ready.

I would like to know other people's opinions on this—support or oppose—and appreciate any advice on how this should be done. --1ST7 (talk) 00:13, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It's a puzzling question, and I'm not sure there is precedent to follow. Would splitting to another article result in a lack of sources for these articles? I ask because the NCIS character articles were all nominated for deletion a few years ago. Perhaps another option is to expand the content in Anthony DiNozzo, and use Main to the section in that article, even if it's an interim measure. DiNozzo is an original character while David was added later, which is why I suggested expanding his article. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 06:01, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for replying. There's no shortage in sources right now. I've got 30 different references already and am still looking, so that shouldn't be an issue. --1ST7 (talk) 06:47, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Removal of posting
Why was my  relevant  comment about Ziva's status as an American citizen removed? The last time I checked, this was  America .66.19.240.3 (talk) 02:21, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Technically, Wikipedia is edited worldwide, not just in America. The thing is, people are not supposed to open forums for general discussion of the topic. The talk pages are there to discuss ways to edit and improve the article, not debate the subject. Hope that helps. --1ST7 (talk) 04:38, 3 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Article talk pages are for discussing improvements/changes to the article, not for general discussion about why this or that may have happened. Also, new posts should be added to the bottom of the talk page, not the top. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 07:01, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

using Laukaran as a reference
This is problematic on several levels.

Basically, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/maya-laukaran/ncis-and-i-find-myself-th_b_3696145.html is an opinion piece, and should be treated as such. Thus, it could be used a ref to verify that, indeed, the internet was upset about de Pablos exit.

However, it contains so much more. In fact, it contains unfounded accusations and distasteful speculation. Stuff that has no place in an encyclopedia. Therefore, it would be much better to find another source verifying that, indeed, the internet was upset about de Pablos exit, without the very loaded baggage coming with an inflamed opinion piece. A ref that cooly reports the furore, the petition, and the letter-writing campaign WITHOUT itself taking sides.

But that's not all. The article currently uses the ref no less than four times, for purposes that go way beyond its (limited) utility.

"subsequent reports indicated that negotiations fell through" - the reference does NOT verify this. Our article only passes on what amounts to pure speculation by an opinion writer!

Using it as ref for
 * "Fans were further upset by reports that she was being cut for financial reasons and were skeptical of Moonves' claim that CBS had made every effort to keep her on the show, due to the subjectivity of his statements and de Pablo's earlier assurances while filming Season 10 that she wanted to stay with the series."

is likewise deeply troubling, since it appears to substantiate the skepticism toward CBS, when, in reality, it contains no facts, only rumors.

But the double whammy is:
 * The manner in which the actress' departure was handled also attracted criticism; Maya Laukaran from the Huffington Post felt that the network was using the media to portray itself as the favorable party at de Pablo's expense, which she found "extremely distasteful".[11] Additionally, comparisons were drawn between this situation and one that had occurred with Criminal Minds, another CBS show that had lost two actresses, resulting in protests from viewers.

PLEASE do not use the same reference both as a supposedly neutral verification of basic facts and as an example of "the internet is angry".

PLEASE do ensure Wikipedia's balanced portrayal by finding a source telling the other side of the story, probably an official statement from CBS.

As it stands, our article heavily suggests that CBS are scum, and that there's something fishy about de Pablo's departure.

Therefore, I will excise that particular reference except where directly mentioned by the article, replacing the refs with placeholder tags until somebody can sort out the mess properly. CapnZapp (talk) 20:44, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

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Death
There is a user who keeps removing references to Ziva's presumed-death and replacing them with WP:OWN and WP:CRYSTALBALL references to her being "missing" and DiNozzo going to search for her. None of this was established as canon, and as such all references to her fate should note her presumed death, not her "in hiding". If DiNozzo can accept her fate, so can Ziva fans. --Unframboise (talk) 01:17, 20 May 2016 (UTC)


 * There's nothing "presumed" about her death. She is explicitly stated as such in the episode, 9 minutes and 30 seconds in:
 * DiNozzo: "What do we know? What are the facts? 'Cause we don't assume, we verify. Do we know she's dead? 'Cause if we know she's dead, we're gonna get him."
 * Gibbs: "Yeah, she's dead, and we will get Kort."
 * No dialog or actions subsequent to this give any indication that she isn't dead or any presumptions are being made of it. The main character outright stated she's dead with no qualifications.  Canonically, she's dead.
 * Zooks527 (talk) 13:19, 09 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Cause we don't assume, we verify - I had a chuckle when I watched that. I thought "Somebody at CBS has read WP:V." -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 16:43, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Tali David or Tali DiNozzo
Which surname should her daughter have?Cantab1985 (talk) 04:46, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
 * The name used in the episode should be used. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 10:16, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Tali David. Definitely WP:OWN to assume she has DiNozzo's surname. --Unframboise (talk) 11:40, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I rewatched the episode today, there was no mention of a surname at all. As much as it can't be assumed that it's DiNozzo, we can't assume that it's simply David either. So surely it should just be Tali. Unless there's an interview/ article that I've missed that references the name? AdamCarter87 (talk) 00:30, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

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