Talk:Zlín Z 42

Merge
The contents of the stub article appear to me to be already included in the properly-named article, though I may be wrong, as I'm not really all that well-versed in Czech 1970's trainer aircraft. thadius856talk 00:35, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I've proposed that all 3 merges be moved to here. This reflects the consensus that brought the Boeing 747 variants into a single article and also a modified version of their specifications table. Despite the fact that the naming schemes are different between the 747- and Z series aircraft (100, 100B, 100SR, 200, etc. vs 42, 42 M, 42 MU, 142, etc.), they should be treated the same.


 * Furthermore, as evident from the lack of specifications I was able to pull up on most variants, there is most likely not enough infomation to ever expand the other variants past the stub stage. I'm fairly convinced that the Z 142 is the most popular variant, as made apparent by the amount of Google search results it pulls (882 for Zlin "Z 42"; 12,000 for Zlin "Z 142"; 599 for Zlin "Z 242"). However, I feel that the four-seater version of the aircraft (Z 43 and Z 143) are different enough to warrant their own article together.


 * Of course, I'd also be strongly in favor of a variety of redirects: Zlin 42, Zlin Z 42, Zlin Z-42, Z 42, Z-42, etc. thadius856talk 03:54, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Zlin 242 photo
I have restored the sole photo that we have of a Zlin 242, that another editor deleted with the edit summary: "removed photo with bad quality". This photo is a scanned 35 mm print, so it will not be as good as a digital photograph. I think the quality is acceptable for this article, but mostly I didn't see any point in deleting it when the alternative is to have no picture of this model. - Ahunt (talk) 19:08, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Tamil Tigers attack
According to this article, the Tamil Tigers use Z142s, but according to Zlín Z 43 they use Z 143s - Any relaible sources saying which is which?Nigel Ish (talk) 15:14, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


 * According to the Sri Lankan defence website the aircraft were Z 143s -. Would probably be a good idea to remove it from this page. Pilotofthefuture1 (talk) 09:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * According to CNN and The Australian they were 142s. - Ahunt (talk) 10:52, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * BBC says it's a 143 and carries an image and a video of the downed aircraft. I can't really tell the difference between the two models. More pictures here. Majority of articles say it's a zlin 143. If you know a bit about the zlin could you check the images and decide which model it is? Check the 2009 suicide air raid on Colombo and Air Tigers wikipedia pages too. Cheers. I hope i helped. Pilotofthefuture1 (talk) 13:56, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Why do we need to see the Tamil Tigers mentioned in large fonts in an encyclopaedic article about a light general aviation aircraft? This amateurish and dumb (ab)use of this plane does in no way help describing the characteristics or typical/intended use of this aircraft.
 * If there was an article about this particular event, it would be reasonable to mention the aircraft type used and to link back to this article, but not the other way around.
 * Please delete that highly irrelevant section from this otherwise excellent article.


 * --Wikitanian (talk) 11:37, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Your use of pejorative terms like "amateurish and dumb (ab)use" shows that you have a highly POV approach to this subject. The global media gave widespread coverage of the LTTE's use of these aircraft and now that the conflict is essentially over it forms part of the history of this aircraft type. - Ahunt (talk) 13:01, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, on the discussion page I always have a point of view. A discussion would be meaningless otherwise. ;-)  Rest assured I am always careful not to let my POV infiltrate the actual article.
 * I still do not see sufficient reasons to have a separate LTTE (Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam) section in this article about a general aviation trainer. The LTTE issue represents only a tiny little bit of the type's operational history.  If we regard that as relevant and in any way characteristic for the Z-42/Z-142, we would be obliged to present the more representative part of its operational history as well - and in adequate proportion.  I think this cannot be achieved without inflating the article way too much.
 * The wide media coverage focused mainly on the fact that the Tamil Tigers had surprisingly established their own little air force and flown actual attack missions. The aircraft type used was mentioned of course (most of the time incorrectly).  Apart from that, it was almost completely unknown to the world-wide media audience.


 * --Wikitanian (talk) 14:01, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Stall Speed
The "stall speed (clean)" is not the same as the stall speed with flaps down. This is a strong contradiction that needs to be sorted out.

--Wikitanian (talk) 11:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

List of Operators
The article currently lists only military operators, thus giving the wrong impression this aircraft was primarily a military trainer. It was not. Listing all known civil operators (countries) as well would help, but we could end up with a very long list.

The East German air force did not operate Z-42 aircraft, but 12 Z-43.

Please note that listing Tamil Eelam as an operator is technically wrong. Tamil Eelam is the state some Tamil groups intend to establish, i.e. it is an idea, but it does not exist. For the same reason, Tamil Eelam cannot be labelled as a terrorist organization. I suggest replacing "Tamil Eelam" in the list of former military operators by "Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam". How about calling it a guerrilla force or a separatist organization? Labelling this group as a terrorist organization may appear obvious to many of us, but it is POV. This is illustrated by the fact that only 32 countries proscribe the Tamil Tigers as a terrorist organization.

--Wikitanian (talk) 14:26, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Operational History
There is a statement indicating that the Z-42 was used for basic air force training. Unfortunately, there is no reference provided to verify this claim. Since Eastern Bloc air forces did not perform any kind of ab-initio flight training (on fixed wing aircraft) and given the very basic equipment and instrumentation of the Z-42/Z-142, this air force training role is rather unlikely.

--Wikitanian (talk) 14:26, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Tail
The Wikipedia artcle on the Zlin 42 states that it has an all-flying tail, but the photos indicate otherwise. - 199.44.16.128 (talk) 00:04, 8 April 2011 (UTC)Kirby Palm palmk@nettally.com


 * The 242, the tail of which can be seen in the lead photo, certinly has a conventional tail, but the description is of the basic 42 model and that may be different. - Ahunt (talk) 00:09, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Might be, but it's not. I've looked at several photos of Zlin 42's found via Google Image search, and none of them have all-flying tails. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.44.16.128 (talk) 00:17, 8 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay well thanks for clarifying that. It is unsourced anyway so i removed it. - Ahunt (talk) 00:49, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Zlin 42 spinner
The Zlin 42 has a very distinctive spinner on the prop. Does anyone know what it's about? It almost appears to have air intakes on it or something.

199.44.16.128 (talk) 00:13, 8 April 2011 (UTC)Kirby Palm palmk@nettally.com

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