Talk:Zoe Sugg/Archive 1

Semi-protected edit request on 30 September 2014
Please add birthdate of March 28th, 1990 as confirmed on her blog in several locations (example: http://www.zoella.co.uk/2011/03/my-21st-birthday.html)

173.230.166.149 (talk) 17:14, 30 September 2014 (UTC)


 * It's a self-published source, but I feel like a birthdate will typically trace back to that. I'm okay with adding it; are there any objections to including it? —C.Fred (talk) 17:36, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
 * sounds fair enough Cannolis (talk) 20:19, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Per WP:DOB: "Wikipedia includes full names and dates of birth that have been widely published by reliable sources, or by sources linked to the subject such that it may reasonably be inferred that the subject does not object." - the dob has not been mentioned by any reliable sources but I'd say that the second part is true in this instance. Are there any mentions by Zoe which contradict the 28th date?  Nik the  stunned  08:14, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done per lag of objection Cannolis (talk) 21:28, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 November 2014
Consider adding that she was Mind's first digital ambassador in October 2014. With Mind's support, she launched the initiative "#DontPanicButton," which raises awareness for young people who suffer from anxiety and panic attacks by encouraging people to wear red buttons, traditionally a sign of panic, as a sign of solidarity and positivity. (She announces her partnership in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRW9XBiGPdw&list=UUrUbqTCagwsaP2Fmr0p1TsA) (Mind's press release can be found here: http://www.mind.org.uk/news-campaigns/news/zoella-becomes-first-digital-ambassador-for-mind/#.VGV7JJPF800)

Krobin31 (talk) 04:22, 14 November 2014 (UTC)krobin31


 * Has this gotten coverage in reliable secondary sources—things other than her vlog and the organization's press release? I think we need secondary sources to show the significance of the program (as well as the significance of Mind) before this is included. —C.Fred (talk) 16:30, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅  Nik the  stunned  13:38, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

'did not write the book on her own'?
She didn't write any of it. This whole section needs re-written. --82.41.251.96 (talk) 10:21, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Please provide sources for your claims.  Nik the  stunned  10:30, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Partner?
From the documentation for Infobox person about partners: "If particularly relevant, or if the partner is notable; 'partner' here means unmarried life partners (of any gender or sexual preference), not business partner." Sugg and Deyes have been dating, but has the relationship reached the depth and duration to call them partners—and more to the point, do any secondary sources refer to them as such? —C.Fred (talk) 14:40, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
 * No, sources universally refer to them as "boyfriend" / "girlfriend" (or synonyms thereof) - which allows for minor inclusion in the article (given the coverage) but not the infobox (which I think basically constitutes legal partners, whether officially ratified or not).  Nik the  stunned  15:15, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

After watching many of their YouTube video's I think they are more business partners than boyfriend and girlfriend. They met at a YouTube convention you very rarely see Alfie and Zoe hold hands with each other, They never kiss each other. It's possible they don't sleep in the same bed together. They have separate bathrooms. The only people who attend their parties or have sleep overs at their house are other YouTube Vloggers that also belong to their management company. when one of them is traveling around the UK promoting their book the other one stay's home. Alfie makes video's with other women without Zoe and Zoe makes video's with other men without Alfie. And when Alfie is overseas Zoe has men staying in one of the spare bedrooms which would make an average boyfriend very upset.Mirrabooka (talk) 16:13, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 August 2015
Please change this:

As of January 2015, Sugg's main YouTube channel has over 7 million subscribers and over 330 million video views, and is the 59th most subscribed channel on the website; her second channel "MoreZoella" has over 2.6 million subscribers and over 170 million video views.

To this:

As of August 23 2015, Sugg's main YouTube channel has 8.9 million subscribers and over 520 million video views, and is the 50th most subscribed channel on the website; her second channel "MoreZoella" has over 3.4 million subscribers and over 290 million video views.

Sources: http://vidstatsx.com/youtube-top-100-most-subscribed-channels https://www.youtube.com/user/zoella280390/about https://www.youtube.com/user/MoreZoella/about

Mkdileep (talk) 13:36, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ (for the most part)  Nik the  stunned  08:47, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 May 2016
In Zoe's "Draw My Life" video, she said she was born on March 28,1992. Right now, the page says March 28, 1990.

Wikigeeknerdbang (talk) 02:29, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
 * ❌ read the link to this article which was used as a reference - maybe she got confused in her interview - although some people try to appear younger than they are. - Arjayay (talk) 06:36, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 June 2016
You should add under the Subscribers tab that she has 10 million subs on her main and on her vlogging channel 4,114,895 subs

Emmaduhon (talk) 20:13, 30 June 2016 (UTC) Emma Duhon
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: It's already there. st170e talk 22:23, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 October 2016
zoella has over 11 million subscribers, not 5

109.149.151.231 (talk) 19:18, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Already says 11 in the infobox Cannolis (talk) 19:47, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 December 2016
Zoe recently released her new book (Girl Online: Going Solo) on November 28th 2016 OfficialLozzy (talk) 12:53, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  JTP ( talk • contribs) 15:13, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Book was already mentioned in the article; added release date and a ref (albeit a poor one). Wire723 (talk) 11:05, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 December 2016
can we please change the picture to a more recent onePrincessktxox (talk) 17:56, 24 December 2016 (UTC) Princessktxox (talk) 17:56, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The current image has been released under a free license. If you know of a more recent freely licensed replacement, you are welcome to propose the specific image. Huon (talk) 23:38, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 April 2017
Msier048 (talk) 00:39, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. —  IVORK  Discuss 00:44, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 10 May 2017

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The result of the move request was: not moved Primefac (talk) 18:33, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Zoella → Zoe Sugg – I moved the page to this name accidentally after attempting to revert a previous move to 'Zoë Sugg', which is not, and has never been, her name. I'm pretty sure we should be using her full and real name as that seems to be widely available and often used in news articles etc.  Nik the  stunned  17:02, 10 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Oppose It seems like the press (Sun, Hindustan Times, Metro, Cosmo, Daily Mail) often refer to her primarily as Zoella. The Guardian referred to her primarily as Zoe Sugg and Forbes: Zoe "Zoella" Sugg, but most prefer Zoella. — A L T E R C A R I ✍ 07:50, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose - She is best known as Zoella, so I don't see a need to move the page. I say this as creator of the Susanna Lau article, which I every now and again think "maybe I should have done the main article under Susie Bubble." I've definitely heard of Zoella, but Zoe Sugg just made me go, "who?" I don't see a need to move the page to her "real name" as this seems a bit like identity erasure - Zoella is her public persona, the name under which she creates, which makes it seem a bit like saying "right, Stefani Germanotta, we're calling you by your real name from now on." Mabalu (talk) 11:37, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Common name. Whether it's her real name or not is irrelevant. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:07, 16 May 2017 (UTC)


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Umlaut
So recently, I made an edit adding an "ë" to the spelling of Sugg's birth name. This edit was reverted by, asking me to "not add random umlauts to her name". However, as seen by her Twitter, this is just how she spells her name. Also, they added United Kingdom back into the Infobox, although I believe that I read a policy where the constituent country is supposed to be listed rather than the UK, similarly to how one is supposed to be listed as "English, Scottish, Welsh, etc" rather than "British" unless they publicly identify themselves as the latter. However, I am unable to find a policy that says so, so if somebody has knowledge on that topic please let me know. { [ ( jjj    1238 ) ] }   13:51, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi there. A twitter screen-name is in no way an indicator of how someone spells their name! It's just a 'cool' affectation... Or should we also change Lady Gagas name to | Xoxo Gaga etc!? It doesn't mean anything and should not be used in her article at all. The other part I've just reinstated, I shouldn't have reverted both, my apologies.  Nik the  stunned  15:10, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 August 2017
The name shall be Zoë Sugg, not Zoella, her name is Zoë not Zoella. KristofferNaley1 (talk) 22:26, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
 * ❌ The subject is referred to by her WP:COMMONNAME, Zoella, the name by which she chooses to be commonly known, and by her legal name Zoe Elizabeth Sugg.  There is no evidence that she uses the diacritic above the "e" in Zoe, and there is evidence to the contrary, e.g., .  See other notices on this Talk page.  General Ization   Talk   22:43, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 October 2017
Please change "She has been in a relationship with fellow YouTube star Alfie Deyes since 2014." to "She has been in a relationship with fellow YouTube star Alfie Deyes since 2012." because they started dating Oct 4th, 2012 based on information they have said on twitter, Instagram, and their vlogs on youtube. Amfull (talk) 12:13, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Sparkling Pessimist   Scream at me!  01:10, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 January 2018
zoella was born 1987 185.28.91.235 (talk) 11:55, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 14:55, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * In addition, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 14:58, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 January 2018
chanel name originally

zoella2803901 185.28.91.235 (talk) 11:56, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 14:55, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * In addition, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 14:58, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Title of article?
An editor changed the infobox name today from "Zoella" to "Zoe Sugg"; I reverted to comply with the title of the article. However, the current state of the article is not inconsistent with the editorial choices we've made in the article: all the subsequent references to the subject are to "Sugg", not "Zoella"; we seem to use the latter as references to her YouTube channel or brand.

In light of this, should the article stay at its current title of "Zoella"? Or, since the article is primarily about the person and the brand is secondary, should it be moved to "Zoe Sugg"? It would help to see how recent sources refer to her to determine how to apply WP:COMMONNAME. —C.Fred (talk) 15:36, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

I should've pinged when I left this message. Doing so now. —C.Fred (talk) 16:00, 8 December 2018 (UTC)


 * I believe that the article name should be changed from Zoella to Zoe Sugg. Sugg has stated on social media and in videos that she’s going by her birth name now, and as the articke is about her as a person, rather than her brand, it should be altered. —Joesimnett (talk) 17:02, 8 December 2018 (UTC)


 * How are independent reliable sources referring to her now? —C.Fred (talk) 17:40, 8 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Sources such as iNews, Independant, Ok, etc are beginning to use Zoe Sugg. Many others use Zoella in headlines, perhaps to draw attention, as it’s a well known pseudonym, but use Zoe Sugg within the article. —Joesimnett (talk) 21:42, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 17 September 2019

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The result of the move request was: No consensus. (non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:40, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Zoella → Zoe Sugg – Sugg now goes by her birth name, Zoe Sugg. She has publicly stated that she no longer uses the Zoella channel, and has adopted the use of her Zoe Sugg YouTube channel more. She has also changed her social media usernames to ZoeSugg. Independent sources such as Metro, Hello!, Stylist and Shemazing refer to her as Zoe Sugg, rather than Zoella. DarkGlow (talk) 15:49, 17 September 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 16:37, 24 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose per WP:TOOSOON. Wikipedia uses the WP:COMMONNAME which is not necessarily the current name. I think we need time for her birth name to become the commonname here, if it ever does.  Lazz _R  19:21, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose for now. Articles published in the last few weeks refer to her primarily as Zoella. PC78 (talk) 23:26, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Actually, most articles from the past few months refer to her as Zoe Sugg. See here:  – DarkGlow (talk) 07:45, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, neutral then because it's not consistant in reliable sources. I can see some merit in the proposal though. PC78 (talk) 10:37, 18 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose per WP:TOOSOON, Move in a year or 2 when sources start calling her by her real name. – Davey 2010 Talk 14:02, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * If you look above your reply, you'll see several sources with her real name being used, and I'm sure I can find more if necessary. – DarkGlow (talk) 14:53, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * "Zoella" brings up 21,900 results whereas "Zoe Sugg" only brings up 10,600 results so therefore right now it's TOOSOON to move, As I said above It should be moved in a year or 2 when sources start using her full name. – Davey 2010 Talk 15:02, 18 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Support, prefer her birth name. Neutrale Person (talk) 18:21, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Support, topic consistency. I took a look at how the article is currently written, and we refer to her as "Sugg" throughout the article. Further, looking at the intro, "Zoe Sugg" is the person, and "Zoella" is a brand and (former) YouTube identity. Based on that, since the article is about Zoe Sugg the person, we should style the article title "Zoe Sugg". Obviously, "Zoella" would be retained as a redirect. —C.Fred (talk) 20:46, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Support If she wants to be referred by her full name, rather than her former nickname. So be it. KingSkyLord (talk &#124; contribs) 22:38, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * What she wants to be known as is irrelevant - Wikipedia policy trumps what BLPs want. – Davey 2010 Talk 23:13, 25 September 2019 (UTC)


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