Talk:Zomi

Copyright concerns
This article was tagged as a potential copyright infringement of http://www.pu-zo.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=35:brief-zo-history&layout=blog&Itemid=65, but it seems likely that the material was published here first. Internet archives do not offer stored versions of this page, but according to the page itself, the article was published on 06 October 2008. The text was placed in his this article over a series of edits on August 30 and August 31 of 2008, here. Though it's hard to say definitively, there is also suggestion of some utilization of previous text. Note that already present in the article was the phrase "Of the three major races of the Tibeto-Burman group of people – Tet, Pyu and Kanyan - the Zote Belong to the Tet group of people and are further sub-grouped under the umbrella name Chin." This remained, with only one change: "Of the three major races of the Tibeto-Burman group of people – Tet, Pyu and Kanyan - the Zo Belong to the Tet group of people and are further sub-grouped under the umbrella name Chin." This sentence, as altered, is also present in the external text. If the article were copied from that external site, it would be a coincidence that a phrase so similar was already in the article. The section on religion, also in that external site, was also in the article by that time. You can see its first entrance into the article in 2006, with sufficient spelling and grammatical errors to suggest that it was placed by a contributor for whom English is not a first language. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 02:24, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Redirect
See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Burma (Myanmar). Dougweller (talk) 11:16, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Why this article should not be redirected to "Zou people"
Zomi is a confederation of several tribes that inhabit the North Eastern states of India, north-western Burma and parts of Bangladesh.

Zou is one such tribe under Zomi. Under Zomi, there are many tribes like Zou, such as, Kom, Simte, Paite, Vaiphei, Gangte, Lai, Hmar, Teizang, Dim, and so on.

See this Zomia_(geography) page. "ZOMIA" was coined in 2002 by the Dutch social scientist Willem van Schendel in an article published in the geography journal Environment and Planning D: Society and Space (pp. 647–68). It is a geographical term, derived from the word "Zomi" which in the local language means ‘people that live in the mountains’. See here. This "Zomia" term was further popularized by James Scott in his book "The Art of Not Being Governed" 2009. This is not to confused Zomi with Zomia_(geography), not just wrong spelling, the area and the target is too far.

Will Kymlicka has extensively used the term "Zomi" in his books.

Go to page 238 here to find mention of Zomi

In his works, there is no other idea to confuse with Zomi and Zou. Zou is a sub-tribe of Zomi. The dialect they are speaking is different other tribes of Zomi. In Zomi, there are so many languages and dialects, among them Zou is just one of them.

And, please go through this: "Journal of Tribal Intellectual Collective India"  Vol.1, Issue 2, No.4 pp. 51 to 65, December 2013, by P.Thangsuanhau & V.Jamkhanpau

According to the 2001 Indian census, the population of some tribes of Manipur are listed below : All listed Scheduled Tribes are one in Zomi, a nomenclature name for them.


 * 1 All Scheduled Tribes - 741,141 - 100%
 * 2 Thadou - 182,594 - 24.6%
 * 3 Tangkhul - 146,075 - 19.7%
 * 4 Kabui - 82,386 - 11.1%
 * 5 Paite - 49,271 - 6.6%
 * 6 Hmar - 42,933 - 5.8%
 * 7 Kacha Naga - 42,013 - 5.7%
 * 8 Vaiphui - 38,267 - 5.2%
 * 9 Maring - 23,238 - 3.1%
 * 10 Anal - 21,242 - 2.9%
 * 11 Zou - 20,567 - 2.8%
 * 12 Any Mizo (Lushai) tribes - 15,164 - 2.0%
 * 13 Kom - 14,602 - 2.0%
 * 14 Simte - 11,065 - 1.5%


 * Thadou (number 2) is a Kuki tribe
 * Tangkhul (number 3) is a Naga tribe
 * Kabui (number 4) is a Naga tribe
 * Paite (number 5) is a Zomi tribe
 * Vaiphei (number 8) is a Zomi tribe
 * Maring (number 9) is a Naga tribe
 * Anal (number 10) is a Naga tribe
 * Zou (number 11) is a Zomi tribe
 * Simte (number 14) is a Zomi tribe


 * Paite, Vaiphei, Zou, Simte are Zomi tribes. Kabui, Maring, Anal are Naga tribes.

I sincerely hope this simple explanation clears all confusion.

When people search for ZOMI, they are taken to a way different, much smaller in scope, page - ZOU PEOPLE. Let me reiterate here again, the Zou people page is about a tribe, whose population is around 20,000, less than 3% of the entire Manipur's population, that belong to Zomi. What about other tribes like Paite (numbering 49,271 - 6.6% of the population of Manipur), Vaiphui (38,267 - 5.2%), Simte (11,065 - 1.5%) which find no mention in the Zou people article?

There are nine tribes that belong to Zomi: Paite, Vaiphei, Zou, Simte, Tedim Chin, Mate, Thangkhal, Gangte, Kom. The welfare of these communities/tribes are looked after by different social organisations, the apex body of which is called Zomi Council [not 'Zou Council'].

At present the following nine tribe-based organisations are the constituent members of Zomi Council:


 * 1. Paite Tribe Council
 * 2. Vaiphei Peoples Council
 * 3. United Zou Organisation
 * 4. Simte Tribe Council
 * 5. Tedim Chin Union
 * 6. Mate Tribe Council
 * 7. Thangkhal Peoples Organisation
 * 8. Gangte Tribe Council and
 * 9. Kom Union of Manipur::::

Please do not redirect the Zomi page to Zou peopleanymore. Remove all copyvio materials. We will try our best to explore and reflect all the difficulties and intricacies of the Zomi/Zo identity vis-a-vis Kuki, Chin and Mizo. —Vaphualization (talk) 16:46, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Why the Zomi article should not be about the ZO people
Not all of the people who are "hill people in the highlands of northwestern Burma and the uplands of Manipur" and who claim descent from the ZO people (sensu lato) accept the designation Zomi. Zomi is a political movement in the area, and is explicitly rejected by some tribes. This article should only be about the political movement, and should not claim suzerainty over all the ZO people (sensu lato), just as the term "Kuki" has failed to be accepted by all of the ZO people (sensu lato). --Bejnar (talk) 17:37, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

There is on-going discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Burma (Myanmar). --Bejnar (talk) 17:40, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 March 2014
The redirecting the Zomi to Zo people is irrelevant as Zo people article is focusing only on one particular tribe. While Zomi is much a larger concept. Zo(Hills) people. Zo(Progenitor)mi

14.139.207.125 (talk) 08:06, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Please challenge at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Burma (Myanmar), not here. -- Mdann  52   talk to me!  14:41, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 4 October 2014
Hi System Admin, I Am a Zomi nationality and I have to proclaim what Zomi is stand for, Who are Zomi, its origin and history, its nationalism movement and population. Zomi and the area of Zoland is needed to be on Wikipedia page. Long time ago, we have published and used for a long time. Even though, some of unrequested user had changed it and redirect to the Zo Peolple.

I need your help to provide me a permission to published it and have to be protected my account on wikipedia. Thank you so much

Sianzun (talk) 21:06, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Zou People Is Not Similar To Zomi People
Zo/Zou People is the union of Zo families, Zo people.And also included all the man who live in the hill is Zo people. But the zomi people say all the decendant of zo, where they live is no ploblem. Zo People= ∑(Mizo+Zomi+Chin+Kuki). Here, a simple culcuation the zou people, you want to say is Zou smaller tribe. we want to say is the zomi people,the mizo people,the chin/the kuki people. These are four group.If the mizo had article. The Zomi also have an article is at the Zomi's right. Here, the word, Zomi-Zomi people,Zou- zo people(zote-zote mipi), mizo- mizo people are difference. Zomi is the collection of the remaining from Mizo and the Chin group. Its nationalist feeling stated as they go out from slavery mint and have to equal human right. Therefore the zou people is not the zomi people.