Talk:Zoo Station (song)/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Binksternet (talk) 17:56, 9 April 2010 (UTC)


 * GA review (see here for criteria)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): b (MoS):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (references): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:


 * Review:
 * Reading the first paragraph is a clunky experience, with short, choppy sentences. It should be recast for better flow.
 * The song signals "an introduction to the band's new sound", but I think the new sound should be made more plain. How about "an introduction to the band's new sound—a shift to an industrial- and distortion-influenced processing of percussion, guitars and vocals"? Or your own rewording... I just want the reader to immediately understand what the new sound is. An opportunity might be taken in the lead section to say what kind of sound was abandoned.
 * The influence of the song title "Zoo Station" on the subsequent album Zooropa is not mentioned. Susan Fast makes the connection in Walter Everett's Expression in pop-rock music: a collection of critical and analytical essays. Both are related to "Zoo", the center of Berlin, and to the secondary meaning of "zoo" which describes wildness and chaos.
 * The idea that the song's title influenced the names Zoo TV and Zooropa, from what I can tell, is original research. The text says the word "zoo" itself was somewhat of a buzzword for the band to describe Berlin, but I'm not sure it's accurate to say the song's title was an influence. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 03:39, 10 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Twice, the reader is told that the song opened every Zoo TV tour date but one. Which one? Why? What song replaced it?
 * I know the American plural forms of the zoo animals are, primarily, rhinoceroses and flamingos, but the article spells them rhinocerosi and flamingoes—spellings offered as alternate ones by the American dictionary Merriam-Webster. How purposeful is this choice? How British?
 * I don't know if one plural is more "British" than the other, but I've tried to write the article with British English in mind. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 03:39, 10 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Along the same lines, goldrush is presented as one word when it is two.
 * I kind of like how Greg Kot says "Zoo Station" opens by "trying to out-demolish Ministry". Kot continues by calling the song a "grating, metal-on-metal percussion and a belching guitar". I am not forcing you to use these bits but they are quite colorful! The article quotes Kot only with "rude awakening" and the comparison to Neil Young's first song on Rust Never Sleeps. Actually, the quote as currently used fails to represent Kot's parallel between The Edge's "belching" guitar and Young's "fingernails-on-chalkboard guitar scuzz" which begins the song "Hey Hey, My My (Into the Black)". Instead, the article uses Kot to compares one whole song to the other.
 * I don't see the need for the wikilink to note in the discussion of A and G notes. The wikilink to the A (musical note) can be piped to include the word notes.
 * A bit of clunky reading flow occurs with this phrase repeated: "...as well as both processed and unprocessed vocals. As well as introducing the band's new sound ... as well as a willingness to throw caution to the wind..."
 * One of the newspaper quotes includes an incorrect double hyphen attempt at creating an em dash. The Susan Fast quote box incorrectly uses spaced hyphens as spaced en dashes. Please change these to unspaced em dashes to match previously established article style, or change the article style to spaced en dashes, per WP:DASH. Whichever you choose, all of these sentence interruptions should be streamlined to show the same style throughout.
 * Some hyphens incorrectly used as en dashes for page number ranges.
 * Question: should the series of musical notes use en dashes instead of hyphens? Rather than "G-F♯-D-C-D-C-A-G-A" should the article use "G–F♯–D–C–D–C–A–G–A"? To me, en dashes seem to be indicated since the notes progress from one to the next, as in date ranges, page ranges and geographical lines such as east–west.

Okay, that's my review at first glance. I may or may not make further points as I look more closely at the article. I am putting the GAN on hold to give editors a chance to address issues. Binksternet (talk) 19:48, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * With exception to my comments, everything above should be addressed. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 03:39, 10 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Say, who is quoted as saying "interference and shash"? Whoever it is, did that person really say 'shash', or did they say 'hash'? If 'shash', we should put some kind of scare quotes or [sic] template on it, as it is not a word. Binksternet (talk) 21:04, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The Susan Fast quote box does not need to be explained as being about the intro or being taken from an essay. Her name could stand alone, or it could be presented with some kind of credentials, such as "Susan Fast, PhD, McMaster University", or "Susan Fast, professor of English and Cultural Studies". Binksternet (talk) 21:31, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

<=Okay, we're good to go here. GA time! Binksternet (talk) 04:36, 10 April 2010 (UTC)