Talk:Zoo Tycoon 2/Archive 1

Creating Article
Hello everyone!

I am currently writing Zoo Tycoon 2. Feel free to make any changes, however, if you could refrain from deleting it or marking it for cleanup it would be great. If you think this article is in need for cleaning, please mark it after it's finished. Thanks

--Primate#101 21:12, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * For the most part, it's Finished!!!
 * Please edit this page because I know I made some mistakes!

Hey great. Can you put the specific differences between #2 and the original? Y'know, like under a subtitle?


 * --Primate#101 00:59, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

redirect
Why does Zoo Empire redirect to Zoo Tycoon 2? They are different games. Bibliomaniac15 00:33, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Fixed -- Primat e #101  01:36, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Mistake
Hello Everyone,

I accidentally blanked this article as I was editing it. I'm very sorry, but I did fix it. If you could overlook that, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks!

--Primate#101 01:02, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Move to Wikibooks
I was looking through guidelines, and I found that lists of objects are not supposed to be included in Wikipedia articles. And Zoo Tycoon 2 has about 20! They need to be transwikied, just wondering if anyone had any suggestions or comments before I moved them.

-- Primat e #101  01:35, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Feel free to transwiki if no one opposses.
 * Well, seeing as no one opposed, I'm transwiking. Or is it transwikiing?


 * -- Primat e #101  19:44, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Working
Hello,

I am working on a Zoo Tycoon 2 Portal :) And ideas suggestions would be nice.

Thanks, 65.32.58.197 13:12, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * No real point. Zoo Tyccon or Animal-based video game portal would be better. And for a start, it would be a good idea to join. - Cuddly Panda (talk · contribs) 03:45, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Asiatic Black Bear
Someone keeps removing the Asiatic Black Bear from the animal table. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.163.100.65 (talk • contribs)


 * The Asiatic Black Bear is not a part of the PC game, and is already mentioned in the paragraph text of the Downloads section...please do not add it to the list anymore...at very least, discuss the issue here. This constant edit waring is tiring.  As a result, any changes made concerning the Asiatic Bear will result in a "3RR" warning being issued.Blipadouzi 19:08, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Expansion Pack box arts
At the expansion pack articles, it has a picture of the box art for the regular Zoo Tycoon 2, but not the expansion packs. Should it be that way? KdogDS 22:26, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Box Arts
I read the statement about the box arts for the expansion packs, and if you look at my articles Zoo Tycoon 2: Endangered Species and Zoo Tycoon 2: African Adventure, you will see the box arts.

Daniel10 11:32, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Marine Mania Animals
Why on the Marine mania article does it show some animals, and on the Zoo Tycoon 2 article it says that the animals cannot be confirmed due to BETA testing? I fixed this.

Daniel10 08:13, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

' Trivia '
How is the 'trivia' really trivia?? 67.172.125.13 04:12, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

It's facts. I think. I added 'Trivia' to the article anyway. --Cuddly Panda 22:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

The only trivia I can find is about the sheep model. Teak the Kiwi 22:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

People vandalicing this article and expansion ones...
I mean, in recent times, people has been adding random animals to the bonus downloads section, giving false hope to users, and giving bad reputation to Wikipedia. I suggest Protection of the article.-Eriorguez

Ambient animals?
How and where are they obtained? Josh 03:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm very interested in them. Anyways, they are the animals that are wild and appear on various maps randomly. Like the birds that occasionally fly overhead. The springhare is very realistic (try looking for it on a desert map). Dora Nichov 09:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Bonus Animals
does anyone KNOW how to obtain those bonus animals?because I've never heard any of those animals at all in the game.

Only the Musk Ox, Black Leopard, Asian Elephant and Addax are real. The umpcoming animal is real too, but none of the others. Panda Lover 15:41, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

All of the animals in the game are real. To download the animals (except the addax), click on "Downloads" on the main menu. For the addax, go to www.zootycoon2.com and go to the "Downloads" section of the website. Click on "Patches" and install the patch. YOU MUST DO THIS BEFORE DOWNLOADING THE ADDAX! When the patch is done loading, go back to "Downloads" on the website and download the addax. Gray94wolf 19:34, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

error in article history

 * I made an error in the history ofthe article, it was supposed to be screming in the menu not screaming in the game.

P.S. Has anyone heard of ghosts in the Endangered Species game? 66.75.21.158 19:12, 1 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The ghost are just weird variant skins.User:Dinoman96


 * Nah, they probably aren't variant skins. If they were skins, they'd normally show up the moment you bought the animals. I've had a Croc that was normal to begin with, but turned transparent for no explainable reason. It might be because it had a glitch or sumthin. Or maybe Zoo Tycoon 2 was supposed to have ghost animals, and when the idea was abandoned, they simply dumped it somewhere where it was unlikely to be found, but could be picked up when they needed it. (like Blue Hell or sumthin). Yengkit19 07:28, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Removed Artifex
A non-released user made expansion is not really notable enough to be included in the article.

Artifex Deletion
Well Artifex IS working to create and release a new expansion, Arabian Nights, as well as feature the Artifex movie found during the introduction. 66.75.21.158 22:07, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but the people of Artifex asked that is be removed and not to be added onto the Zoo Tycoon 2 page again. --AlbinoStallion 18:13, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

I say we keep a small note on it Misc. Facts. If we can't mention it, how come we have a modding section in Jurassic Park: Operation Genesis? --Cuddly Panda 01:25, 6 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I think the "User Object" section of this article acts as a fair substitute to a modding section. Yengkit19 07:07, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Question...
Why do the animals only eat adult male guests ? Gray94wolf 19:41, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Because it is a sexist game. I can imagine not having kids getting eaten, but women? --Cuddly Panda 07:52, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Interesting. Gray94wolf 15:30, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Is it even possible for any guest to be eaten? I've tossed a few male guests into lion pits and all the lions did was to chase them around...and around...and around.... Yengkit19 07:04, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

July 2007
We don't even know if Extinct animals is coming out in July. I edited that out. Dinoman96 14:17, 19 May 2007

98 Animals (thus far)
Whoever is vandalising the section saying that there are 97 kinds of animal, stop it. There are 98. It is blatantly obvious in the game itself, and it doesn't matter if two are the same species...kind and species are not the same. I mean, there are three varieties species of tiger in ZT1 (and two of those are varieties of the same sub-species), but nobody denies that there are 45 kinds of animal there (120 if you include all the official EXP packs/downloads). Just accept it.

There are 98 KINDS, but 97 SPECIES, and my edit explicitly said that. Dora Nichov 03:19, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Nobody cares. There are 98 animals in the game and that is that. It'd be like the kind of person who rants to the nearest zoo keeper just because their collection holds three subspecies of the same parrot. Zoo Tycoon 1 had three versions of the one species of Tiger (and, indeed, two versions of one subspecies of it), but no one rants and raves about that. They didn't even interbreed like the Masai and Reticulated Giraffes did. Most of the zoo simulation games have at least one species which has two or more different subspecies or varieties, and no one complains about that. Seriously, you need to stop vandalising. There are 98 animals, not 97. Get over it. CBFan 09:50, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

I NEVER vandalized. It's true there are 97 species and I haven't removed the fact that there are 98 animals. It doesn't matter that no one cares. I do. And because it's true, there's no reason it shouldn't be removed. Dora Nichov 12:29, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

And I didn't change ZT because there's no mention there of the amount of animals. Dora Nichov 12:31, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, YOU care. YOU as in one individual. Nobody else. There are 98 creatures to use in the game and your claim of "There are 97 because I say so" is not going to work. Yes, I KNOW that the Masai and Reticulated Giraffes are the same species, but so what? They're still both seperate animals. I asked you to drop the argument. You are now vandalising by still continuing. Stop it.
 * 99 including the Asiastic black bear.--Cuddly Panda 09:55, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

This is not vandalism. It is true information and I haven't removed any other true info. Just because no one cares doesn't mean anything. Listen, isn't it better to make things clearer? I didn't say "there aren't 98, there are only 97", I said "there are 98 but only 97 species" and there's nothing wrong with that. Dora Nichov 12:20, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

-It's called "Pointless" and, to a lesser degree, "Being childish", especially as you refuse to drop it. So what if they are the same species? Try visiting a real zoo. It isn't worth screaming, raving and crying about. Treat them as seperate animals and stop treating us ZT2 fans as if we were two years old. How many of us do you think DON'T know that the giraffes are the same species? We're not stupid, you know. CBFan 14:38, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

-Oh, and for that matter, if you claim that only species count, then I might as well say only Kingdoms count...thereby making the total score 1. See? It's pointless. People should already know that the Giraffes are the same species by following the various links, and seeing they can interbreed. All the other games have multiple subspecies, but nobody complains. CBFan 14:49, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not complaining, only editing what is needed. You can argue it isn't needed, but it's still a piece of useful information. And I know none of us are stupid, but some people don't know. Just because everyone you know knows doesn't mean anything. Dora Nichov 09:10, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Anyways, as you've removed that part, I suppose this debate can draw to a close. Nice talking to you. Dora Nichov 09:38, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Lion Feeding?
Under Trivia, someone added that guests can be fed to lions. I've tried twice, and I haven't any luck, so I'm beginning to think it's a prank/joke/whatever. But as I've only tried twice, I can't really confirm whether it's true. Yengkit19 07:01, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Apparently you can feed guests to carnivorous dinosaurs but not lions. Mine just swing the guests around and around and then throw them to the ground. Dora Nichov 10:54, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It is unlikely but it does (rarely) happen. --Cuddly Panda 12:51, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Really? I'd better keep trying... Dora Nichov 13:54, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

New animal in 2007
The new downloadable animal is unnamed, any ideas what is it place it here,

It could be a bull shark. Komodo dover 04:15, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Who knows? Plus this is not a forum and go away, Komodo Lover! Dora Nichov 04:16, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That's absolutely pathetic, idiot. --&lt;html&gt;--- &#91;&#91;User:Cuddly Panda&#124;&lt;font face=Verdana color=F0F8FF&gt;Cuddly&lt;/font&gt; Panda &lt;small&gt;&#91;&#91;User talk:Cuddly Panda&#124;Blab]] &lt;sup&gt;(&#91;&#91;User talk:Cuddly Panda/Non Wikipedia talk&#124;Non-wiki]])&lt;/sup&gt; &#124; &#91;&#91;Special:Contributions/Cuddly Panda&#124;Contribs]] &#124;&lt;/html&gt;]] 07:33, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Who, me? Dora Nichov 07:39, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * No, Snakezilla's post. Or Komodo lover, or Black rhino ranger, or whoever you wanna call him but he's the same guy. Like you hear a rustling in the bushes and someone says 'Might be a female African lion'. - Cuddly Panda (talk · contribs) 13:41, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Notorious vandal/sockpuppeteer now. Dora Nichov 00:32, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

User Objects
The user objects section of this page is being vandilised. Earlier someone edited it to say 'Some Famous meshers who Have sucessfully meshed Zoo tycoon 2 animals include Simba,Penguinman, Littlemog, etc. One of the Best os Simba's mustang'. If this stupidity does not end I will remove the section. --Cuddly Panda 13:26, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Userbox
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WP:VG assessment
I assessed this article as low-importance, as it's not a particularly important game, another game in the series has been rated low (which solidifies this impression) and the article itself doesn't suggest otherwise. Arguably more important is the fact I'm not going to promote it from start-class. Here's why: Hope this helps, UnaLaguna 19:34, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Extreme lack of sources. See WP:CITE, and look for sources from sites such as GameSpot and IGN to back up the information.
 * The list of animals is unencyclopedic and better suited to a game guide rather than an encyclopedia article.
 * Gameplay needs more wikilinks.
 * The "bonus downloads" section could be merged into the "expansion" section. If it's taken out of its current list format (tables/lists aren't particularly encyclopedic) you could probably summarise it in a short paragraph.
 * You don't need to have a separate section for each game mode: that's a common mistake. You could probably mention the differences in a single paragraph without losing the information.
 * Fair use rationales are needed for all images included in this article. See WP:FURG and look at other screenshot/game box images from features articles to get an idea of what to do here.
 * Critical reception section is missing. Look at some featured articles to see what to do for this section.
 * Development section is missing. Again, look at some examples in other articles.
 * Competition section has POV issues and seems to be entirely original research. Get hold of reliable sources to back it up, or delete it.
 * The lead is in need of some major work. See WP:LS and remember that the lead section is meant to summarise the entire article.
 * Thank you. Will do. - Cuddly Panda (talk · contribs) 03:45, 16 July 2007 (UTC)