Talk:Zoomusicology

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Hello everyone, I have added a section on the various experiments being conducted in the field of zoomusicology. I feel that this will give people a better idea about the work being done, and more information on how animals use music and its impact on behaviour. I have also edited various parts of the article and taken out information that I felt was not properly demonstrated in the literature. I took out the section labeled "Definition" because I felt that the information did not actually define zoomusicology (the actual definition was above anyway), and it was not very relevant to the rest of the content in the article. I also edited the "zoomusicologists" section by taking some information that was not cited and adding some citations to the stronger examples of zoomusicologists that were not cited. RosieLillian (talk) 17:53, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

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Zoomusicologists
I've added the research of some zoomusicologists who I am aware of, but there are certainly more people to add. Please add more if you know of them! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackbirdsong2 (talk • contribs) 14:55, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Ayahuasca

 * Icaros are believed to carry the healing force of medicinal plants such as tobacco and ayahuasca and to shape the visions produced by the ayahuasca intoxication.

I removed the above from the last paragraph as it has nothing to do with animals, music, or zoomusicology. Hyacinth 00:59, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The icaros (sacred healing songs and chants) sung by ayahuasca healers, or shamanic practitioners, among Amazonian tribes are evocative of many of the sounds of birds, insects, and other animals of the jungle.

I removed the above statement because it is entirely incorrect (and lacks reference and relevance). The relation of Amazonian healers with animals in sound is given, but not by the means of imitation or by being "evocative", see https://static.uni-graz.at/fileadmin/gewi-zentren/Sysmus/Dokumente/bbdm/2013_EFIntro.pdf 93.82.58.187 (talk) 23:45, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

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A Few Minor Edits and Additions
Hey Wikians,

I have just posted a few edits and additions. I renamed the 'Various Experiments...' heading, because it contained some information that was generally about the topic and not specifically about experiments. Specifically, the section on birds contains lots of general information on birdsong that doesn't seem to involve experimentation involving birds or birdsong (until the latter part of that section). To be quite honest, I am still not altogether satisfied with the heading above the mammals, birds, and insects subheadings.

I also added a new section on the Therapeutic Effects of Music on Animals. It contains to significant additions which I believe pertain to the subject.

I definitely think some sort of reformatting of the page is in order so that it flows in a more logical and cohesive way. Does anyone have ideas on this?

HungryHungryHippo2000 (talk) 01:20, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Reformatting Ideas
Hello again Wikians,

It seems to me that there are two main kinds of posts that are on this page: those relating to music created by animals, and those relating to the effects of human-created music on animals.

Perhaps the body of this article could be somehow bifurcated into those two sections? Does anyone else see this distinction as a logical basis for a restructuring of this article?

Feedback on this thought would be much appreciated as I would not want to make such a substantial change without reaching some consensus first.

Best, HungryHungryHippo2000 (talk) 02:02, 20 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I came to this Talk section with the same thought in mind. Cell.com omits the claim in this article that Zoomusicology includes the effects of human music on animals. Instead there, Current Biology simply states, "Zoomusicology is the study of the music-like aspects of sound communication among non-human animals." So the first question to answer is, does human-created music's effect on animals even belong in this article? If not, that material should be separated out into a different entry. But if so, then yes, I agree, separating that material into its own section would be illuminating. (I presume folks are arriving at this article, as per a typical Google search, to answer: Do animals make music?) Bob Enyart, Denver KGOV radio host (talk) 23:32, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Should the article address: Do animals even make music?
From cell.com: "So is animal song music? Not all scholars consider animal song to be conceptually analogous to human music. For instance, Marc Hauser and John McDermott reject this analogy, contrasting the specific functional role of animal song in territorial defense and mate attraction with human music, which they consider to be 'characteristically produced for pure enjoyment'..." I'm not arguing one way or the other; I'm asking if such a section should be added? If someone thinks yes, and is inclined, I say we should add that viewpoint to this article. Bob Enyart, Denver KGOV radio host (talk) 23:37, 25 February 2021 (UTC)