Talk:Zoosadism

From zoophilia
This text was extracted from zoophilia. However, the full references are missing. References needed are: See the text for details. -- The Anome 12:48, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * (Schedel-Stupperich, 2001).
 * Ressler et al. (1986) found that 8 of their sample of 36 sexual murderers showed an interest in bestiality.
 * Kidd and Kidd (1987)
 * Andrea M. Beetz's thesis on sex and violence with animals

-- The Anome 12:58, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * A bit of research suggests that "Schedel-Stupperich" is Alexandra Schedel-Stupperich.
 * "Ressler" might be Robert K. Ressler.
 * "Kidd and Kidd" are probably Aline H. Kidd and Robert M. Kidd

Based on a reading of http://users.ox.ac.uk/~zool0380/mitchell-serialhomicide.htm, the Ressler paper is probably either or -- The Anome 13:10, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * Burgess, A. W., Hartman, C. R., Ressler, R. K., Douglas, J. E. & McCormack, A. (1986). Sexual homicide: a motivational model. Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 1, pp. 251-272.
 * Ressler, R. K., Burgess, A.W. & Douglas, J. E. (1988). Sexual Homicide: Patterns & Motives. Lexington, MA: Lexington Books.


 * suggestion: add more studies and connection like "high percentage of shattered/broken homes" to provide a more well rounded view of the issue. To also avoid singling out one particular issue, like learning disabilities cited in the article.--Steele 02:11, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Comment moved to talk
Regarding avisodomy, a contributor added:
 * ...and referred to as a "flutter f*" by practitioners

Is it? How do you know this? Can you supply a citable reference for this, please? -- The Anome 00:13, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Just checked, nada on google which isn't looking promising. Doesn't mean it isn't so, but a citation or at least online source would be nice. Otherwise may have to delete it, it's not essential crucial information. FT2 (Talk) 18:08, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Zoosadism in popular culture section added
I have added a section for Zoosadism in popular culture, after reading up on a couple of movies and books that included it, but this could possibly be merged with the notable zoosadists and incidents section. AMFilmsInc 02:02, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Domitian not Trajan
In fact it was Domitian, last of the Flavian dynasty, who had this habit. This page, or one like it, may be the source of the confusion. Moreover the fullest account of it is in Suetonius, although Plutarch just may have mentioned it in his life of Titus. Nor was Domitian considered one of the Good Emperors by any means. Finally, Plutarch, although a Roman citizen, was born and resided in Greece and wrote in Greek, not Latin. Should he be called a Roman, Greek or Graeco-Roman author?
 * I ctrl-f'd "Domitian" in Plutarch's Lives (I-IV) on Gutenberg.org and every time he was mentioned it said nothing about stabbing flies.
 * https://www.google.com/#q=site%3Agutenberg.org+plutarch%27s+lives
 * It may be in his other writings, but it is not in his Parallel Lives.


 * He never really covered Domitian or Titus in that book:
 * http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Plutarch/Lives/home.html


 * And yes Suetonius has the best account:
 * http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Suetonius/12Caesars/Domitian*.html#3

Another example
I might be reaching here, but...David Motari? -Etoile (talk) 05:29, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Also, serial murderer / cannibal Jeffrey Dahmer: Animal Defense Fund giggle 14:13, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Merge
Instead merge this article in Cruelty to animals as someone proposed I thing is better merge Crush fetish in Zoosadism. Akhran (talk) 12:36, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Needs a neutral POV
This article is about ZooSADISM, which implies that harm is being done to animals and the abuser receives some kind of pleasure or gratification from inflicting injury.

So why, does the "Research" section start on this topic and then morphs into a defense of Zoophilia? Zoophilia has its own article page. Sadism is inherently damaging to another and this article shouldn't be side-tracked by those people who want to "destigmatize" zoophilia. This article is about physical abuse, not romanticized feelings towards animals.

Before deleting this section (about zoophilia, not zoosadism), I thought I would just post here first. 69.125.134.86 (talk) 19:52, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * That's not surprising. These Zoophilia articles (Zoosadism, Zoophilia, Zoophilia and the law) on Wikipedia have a serious case of non-neutral POV. I went ahead and deleted the section, because it dealt with sex with animals and Zoophilia, not Zoosadism itself. Good catch there. Someone963852 (talk) 13:02, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Luka Magnotta removed
The article Luka Magnotta makes clear that he has never been charged or convicted for an animal cruelty offence. The claims that he was responsible for the kitten and python incidents were made by animal rights activists, but not pursued in a court of law. This leads to a WP:BLPCRIME issue.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 20:46, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Walter Palmer
Re this edit: I was a bit slow off the mark here, because this seems to be referring to the American dentist who shot Cecil the lion. On Wikipedia, Walter Palmer leads to a disambiguation page, none of them about the dentist as yet. It would be a WP:BLP1E if created. Also, the claim that he is a zoosadist has BLP issues.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 07:23, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * However, there is now an article called Cecil (lion).-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 15:31, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

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Criminology research
Please include the research that finds correlation between the establishment of new slaughterhouses and increases in violent crime in the same region, including after controlling for a variety of extraneous variables. http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1086026609338164 https://www.news.com.au/national/slaughterhouse-workers-are-more-likely-to-be-violent-study-shows/news-story/f16165f66f38eb04a289eb8bd7f7f273

World View
The world view tag has been inserted into the Research section, due to the fact that the Article appears to only include U.S./American references, and therefore the Article may not be inclusive of the world view of other nationalities. This would be remedied by including citations with respect to the psychology research on the subject conducted in countries other than the United States. 108.235.248.227 (talk) 22:14, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

"Undue weight"
Which topics are given undue weight in this article? Jarble (talk) 19:17, 11 January 2024 (UTC)


 * The 2018 scandal and Other examples sections both arbitrarily highlight specific examples without reference to literature that actually examines zoosadism qua zoosadism. The due-ness of their inclusion is not established unless they receive this level of emphasis in texts dedicated to zoosadism as a topic in itself. signed,Rosguill talk 20:05, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Definition of Zoosadism changed to match reference
I have changed the definition of Zoosadism from harm to torturing (previously was pain). This change matches the language used in reference #1. Note that the equivalent human term, Sexual_sadism_disorder, uses "involuntary extreme pain, suffering or humiliation".

Some speculation: Since this is a paraphilia, only the appearance of the harmful effect is considered, not the actual impact on the victim. For this reason, humiliation is likely out, as it is, generally speaking, a human understood term. As for extreme pain, I am unsure why this distinction is made. As for suffering, this would imply that Sexual sadism disorder applies to acts that the sadist did not initiate, which tracks as Zoosadism is an action instead of a state of mind. Subanark (talk) 18:10, 24 April 2024 (UTC)


 * The user who objected to the change from pain to harm has been blocked due to WP:SOCK. Regardless, their point is valid and I will leave the change to from pain/harm to torture. Subanark (talk) 13:34, 25 April 2024 (UTC)