Talk:Zosimus (historian)

Requested move 30 April 2021

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: moved with consensus. Page view stats clearly do not show the historian to be the primary topic among all the Zosimus. I find the argument on incoming links establishing primary topic for this historian as unpersuasive (in fact several of the links were due to Template:Ancient Rome topics). Meanwhile, Zosimus has been redirected to Zosimos disambiguation page.  starship .paint  (exalt) 04:18, 31 May 2021 (UTC)   starship  .paint  (exalt) 04:18, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Zosimus → Zosimus (historian) – Was briefly moved to this title in March 2010 but reverted because a "plain title should not redirect to disambiguated one". He has the highest traffic and appears most in internet searches, but I'm not sure the historian is such a notable figure that he should to be regarded as the primary topic, at least from a general reader's viewpoint. Avilich (talk) 13:56, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose, after looking through the other entries on the list at the disambiguation page. References to Zosimus are much more likely to involve the historian than any of the saints or martyrs; the brief pope doesn't seem to have been that important, and while the entry on the alchemist is quite extensive—and perhaps a bit florid—I suspect that he's only likely to be referred to in the very limited context of the history of science, or chemistry in particular.  The historian accounts for several hundred incoming links, although some of them are due to his inclusion in the Byzantine historians template; the alchemist is next, but an even higher percentage of his links is probably due to his inclusion in the Alchemy template; and probably the great majority of links to Pope Zosimus are due to his inclusion in both the Popes and Saints templates, since there is a wall of links to him from articles about other popes with whom he has no obvious connection.  I would say that the historian is reasonably primary for this title.  P Aculeius (talk) 12:56, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Raw search numbers alone are not reliable. There's no set of search terms of any given subject which have an identical number of search results. There's little reason why a person unfamiliar with the subject should be redirected to the historian specifically, rather than a list of the possible entries. Avilich (talk) 15:08, 7 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Support the pope was also significant, making it hard to see a primary topic. Dab page will make sure that readers get to the page they're looking for. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  13:22, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per |Pope_Zosimus|Zosimos_of_Panopolis page views. The alchemist, the historian and the pope have a similar number of views, so it seems there is no primary topic. That will require the dab page to be moved too. Vpab15 (talk) 16:13, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Support, Pope Zosimus, while brief, is nonetheless significant, not only in the Pelagian controversy, but also frequently cited as one of the architects of the ecclesiastical provinces that would complicate Medieval church politics for quite some time. There is no clear primary topic. Walrasiad (talk) 14:50, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Support Page view stats seem to indicate there is no primary topic, and I don't think there is a clear discrepancy in long term significance to overcome that.--Yaksar (let's chat) 21:52, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.