Talk:Zuleyka Rivera/Archive 1

Wording
As the article Miss Universe 2006 relates to the pageant as an event, not as a title, it is not exactly correct to say she won Miss Universe 2006 (and in pageant terminology - yes there is such a thing - most people wouldn't word it that way anyway, they'd say "won the Miss Universe 2006" pageant etc) - but I get what you're trying to do so have fixed it in a way that I think compromises our two approaches :) -- PageantUpdater  •  talk  |  contribs  |  esperanza  05:53, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Article title - which name to use?
This appears to be another one of those tricky situations whether it is unclear whether she will be known as Zuleyka Rivera or Zuleyka Rivera Mendoza. What should we go with? -- PageantUpdater  •  talk  |  contribs  |  esperanza  05:29, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I prefer Zuleyka Rivera, as it is the way she is being called at the Miss Universe official website. Carioca 05:35, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I think we should use both last names. It is her legal name and it is the name that was used during the televised pageant.  Plus, just because someone calls you by a shorter versioin of your name it doesn't mean that that is your nameCjrs 79 15:21, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Peruvian?
This video claims that Zuleyka Rivera is Peruvian but represented Puerto Rico. -- Lancini87 20:26, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Undergone plastic surgery?
Well, this link claims so: http://criticalbeauty.com/MU_Telecast_2006.html it is up to a consensus (and of course, whether some other sources can verify the claim) to include this in the article. --Joey80 13:47, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Here's another article link i found http://www.missosology.org/missuniverse06/focus4misspuertorico06.html talking about her willingness to undergo surgery before her Ms. Universe participation. this article is also quite interesting since it talks about her fear of the English language, which makes sense out of her decision to answer the final question and interview in Spanish during the pageant, despite the fact that she has undergone intensive English speaking classes after winning her national title. --Joey80 13:59, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I would take the validity of both those sources with a grain of salt. They are clearly very biased and their intent is to insult Zuleyka Rivera, who is the deserving winner of Miss Universe, I dont care what anyone says! There is article floating around the net where she states that she has not undergone plastic surgery. Honestly, I dont understand why everyone is so hateful towards this girl. If she looked "plastic" during the competition it's because of her makeup artist who did a dreadful job! I saw her on Live with Regis & Kelly and thought she looked gorgeous! So makeup cleary played a role in her "fake" appearrance on Sunday. If you look at pics taken of her since winning, she looks very natural and like I said before: GORGEOUS!! Anyways, I also read an article that explains her weight loss. Apparently, the MUO served alot of Mexican and Italian foods during the course of the two weeks. Apparently Zuleyka wasn't used to the spicy foods so she wasn't able to eat so much. She loss something like 8-10 lbs. I also read that her nutritionists told her to eat 6 times a day but only none fat foods. I'm pretty sure that she'll gain the weight back during the couse of her reign. I really wish people would get over their bitterness. She's won and there's nothing you or anyone else can do about it. No one is even giving her a chance which is really saddening.

I currently can't find those articles I spoke of. The one about her denying plastic surgery was through an interview with the Associated Press. I'll be on the lookout for them!

In one of the links it she also denied that she had plastic surgery so she won without it in the missogly thingy plus she dosen't need it she hot.

Hatred
Is this sort of hostility normal? I typically don't follow pageants that closely so I'm not used to all the hate that's going on. It just seems a bit out of control to me. Any thoughts?


 * I'm thinking it's because she was the underdog in the competition, and usually whenever an underdog gets out on top, everyone seems to hate them. Falconleaf 04:05, 30 July 2006 (UTC)


 * But for all the talk about pageants being too predictable, wouldn't an underdog victory be a good thing? And how could any Puerto Rican competing in the Miss Universe pageant be considered an "underdog"!


 * Not to mention, how wide her mouth became after they announced the winner. It was obnoxious.


 * You can't be serious! Get over yourself and get a life!  If all you can do is sit around bashing other people because you're jealous and want to be them, you need a hobby.  Or maybe you should get a job.  McDonald's is always hiring!

You people should be ashamed of yourselves for making fun of a young girl thta you do not know. jeslousy destroys people.

BTW Puerto Rico was never an underdog in this pageant. She was a frontrunner from the beginning!!

Proof
Are there any sources that support Zuleyka being the youngest (or one of the youngest) woman to be crowned Miss Universe? I know that her age is one of the knocks on her but I think regardless of her age, she will represent her country as well the "universe" very well!

Absolutely -- she is only eighteen, the minimum age for participation in the pageant, and few eighteen year olds have won. -- PageantUpdater  •  talk  |  contribs  |  esperanza  21:08, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Picture
Can someone please put in a photo of her as Miss Universe asap? There should be one on the official Miss Universe website pretty soon... another source might be Yahoo which often publishes photos released by MUO (fair use, obviously). (no internet credit=unable to put it up myself) -- PageantUpdater  •  talk  |  contribs  |  esperanza  04:41, 24 July 2006 (UTC) is there a higer resoultion picture of her in the pagent?

Back to ethnicity Puerto Rican's are a mixture of many races including African which were brought to the island as slaves, Spaniards & the Taino indians who were decimated within the first few hundred years of colonization by Spain. There is also influence from French & German immigrants & inhabitants from other neighboring Caribbean islands. The people of Puerto Rico come from such a diverse background that even in one family when combined in one room are different colors, a reflection of that diversity.

The above comment is not true. That is truly ignorant. There are many ethnic enclaves on the island such as Loiza, Coamo, etc.. where racial mixing is not common. Not every PR is of mixed heritage. Thatw ould be ignorant to say. However Zuleyka is of mixed ancestry and her grandmother was proud of this as they interviewed her (with Zuleyka present) on WXTV-Univsion 41 in New York the day after the pageant.--XLR8TION 21:29, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

mySpace account
She has one for the fans, just can;t find, but I remember seeing it. Where is it?

Our you sure she has a myspace account

it could be a fake

it isn't fake, it has official stuff on it, and it looked proffessional, it even said "for the fans" on it. it even had lots of Miss universe trademarks on it as well, so it probably might be real.


 * I dont know about this. I don't think MUO would even go for any of their title holders having a myspace account during her reign unless it was created before she was crowned.  If anything, this account is a tribute to Zuleyka or it's someone simply pretending to be her.  I doubt its truly Zuleyka though.  Also, this "official stuff" could have been stolen off several websites.  Have you ever heard of plagiarism?


 * So clearly you've seen this account. What's the link (if it truly exist)?


 * http://www.myspace.com/salinasmiss
 * I think it's an impersonator. Myspace is a joke!
 * it said it was official

And so we should all believe that the account was created by Zuleyka because the website says its official? Excuse me for being skeptical but that makes no sense at all. We all know the dangers of myspace, and how easy it is for ppl to go on there claiming to be ppl they are not. I'm not gonna believe its her just because there's "official" pictures on the sight. Those so called pictures are posted everywhere on the net. I think we should treat this as a tasteless tribute to our Miss Universe. I don't think its right for someone to be making statements claiming to be Zuleyka...this could potentially be bad news for both Zuleyka Rivera and the MUO. I think the sight should be shut down until there's sufficient proof that Zuleyka herself is the creator.
 * If you look at the part where books are mentioned, on the left of the page, it's a copy-paste of Amelia Vega's page, Amelia Vega was Miss Dominican Republic, http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=5535043

which puts us in front of the truth: there is one joker doing these so called "official page".196.12.176.1 19:35, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

UMA BLASINI'S (MISS PUERTO RICO 2007) BIRTH NAME
Although Uma Blasini's birthname is not Uma, she has always been know as Uma. That is not just a nickname but rather her stage and artistic name. Before winning the Miss Puerto Rico Pageant she was already famous in Puerto Rico for being a top model and everybody knows her as Uma. When she compited and won the Miss Puerto Rico Pageant she did so under the name Uma and that is the name that she's gonna use when she compites in Miss Universe. If that's the name that everybody knows her for and people will continue to know her as Uma I don't understand why this page should refer to her as Wilma especially since Wilma isn't her birth name either but rather precisely a nickname and shortcut for her birth name Wilmadilis. Are we gonna edit every Wiki article in which a celebrity is mentioned by their artistic name rather than their birthname?

208.59.119.30 22:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC) Dannyton

BOTH times she compited at the Miss Puerto Rico Universe she did so under the name of UMA. If you do a simple google search you will see that. BOTH times, as Miss San Juan in 2005 and as Miss Guayanilla in 2007 she compited under the name Uma. When she won she was immediately introduced as Uma and the cover the three major Puertorican newspapers listed her name as UMA. To dissipate any doubts, Miss PR director, Magaly Febles, formally annouced that Uma will participate at the Miss Universe under that name. I don't understand who are you to say that Miss Puerto Rico are never known by their stage or nickname and why, what you are saying should stand alone with no basis to prove it.

Miss Puerto Rico 1971 (who succeded Marisol Malaret) has always been known as Beba Franco. Barbara Palacios Teyde, Miss Universe 1986, is known, competed, and won the Miss Universe pageant using this name while her real name is Barbara Perez Hernandez. Even if no other beauty queen had done that before that, that doesn't mean that Uma is prevented from doing so. I would like you to cite the source that supports you conclusion that beauty contestans do not use stage names. It is well documented that BOTH TIMES Uma participated in the Miss Puerto Rico Universe, she did so under the name of UMA. Like I previously mentioned, if wikipedia needs to refer to Uma by her birthname that is not Wilma, it would be Wilmadilis. If wikipedia needs to refer to Uma by the name that she's mostly known at that is definitely and very easy to document, UMA. If you do a simple google search you will see that there just as much article listing her as Wilma as there are listing her as Uma but the caveat is that she was also a public figure as a professional volleybal player by the name of Wilma. If you google her, you'll see that there are way more sources referring to her as Uma of a beauty queen that there are naming her Wilma.

208.59.119.30 01:00, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Uma Blasini
Wilma Blasini Perez is already an article on Wikipedia. Further deletion of this internal link will be labeled vandalism. Furthermore, aliases such as those claimed to be used by Marisol Malaret or Barbara Palacios has not, nor will affect how their article is listed on Wikipedia. Aliases should be listed in the biography and not in any internal links that will affect the user from reaching their intended article.--XLR8TION 01:42, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree that this is vandalism, the woman is most commonly known as Uma Blasini and should be listed as such. I have suggested a move on the Wilma Blasini Perez page. --  PageantUpdater  •  talk  |  contribs  |  esperanza  01:55, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

This is not vandalism!! If anything what you're doing is vandalism and you just violated the 3 edit rule. That wikipedia article that you're making reference of lists her a Wilmadilis not Wilma. 208.59.119.30 02:18, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Please click on article --->Wilma Blasini Perez. This is a working link/article. Replacing it with Uma Blasini and no article is vandalism. --XLR8TION 02:32, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Infobox image
I know the quality of the new image in the infobox is terrible but it is the only free image I have found, and therefore we must put up with it! PageantUpdater User Talk   Review me!  15:05, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Who she is dating
I am removing the section regarding who she has allegedly dated per WP:BLP concerns. While the New York Post may be a WP:RS, the Page Six portion of it is a gossip column, and as such in not a WP:RS. This information can not appear on the article unless it appears in a reliable source. There is no need to find a source regarding a denial on her part, as it violates WP:BLP and celebrities are not required to deny all things that are printed about them in gossip columns. The fact that this portion of text may have appeared on the article for months before it was removed is of no consequence. Material which violated BLP should be removed at any time that it is discovered. The failure to remove it in the past is not justification for keeping it now. Please do not restore this text without referencing a reliable source, i.e. not a gossip column. --After Midnight 0001 19:41, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

New York Post citation has been there fore months and it leads to a valid page citating the link. You're the first editor who has had a problem with this and I have seen countless articles that have provided similar information on their topics without any problems from other editors. Therefore, it should remain in the article and unless can be divslaidated it is not gossip. If you can't provide a citation to validate a story, than it is gossip. Therefore the news article gets reverted. --XLR8TION 19:47, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

All accounts of reported paramours should be taken to account. Whether the paragraph needs reformatting, it is important to note these accounts as they are truly the first indication of Zuleyka's new celebrity status. Rumors have persisted for years about Ricky Martin's sexuality, and his article takes this into account in a tasteful, non-slanderous manner. The same approach can be applied to Zuleyka. --XLR8TION 01:22, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Random rumors as to who's dating whom on any given day are not encyclopedic. Ricky Martin's Wikipedia article makes absolutely no mention of any rumors about his sexuality. FCYTravis 03:24, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

The article (Ricky Martin's) in the past did contain references to his alledged sexuality but as you kow anyone can edit Wikipedia. Pageantupdater believes she owns all pageant-related articles, therefore the mediation of anyone besides her should be asked in this situation. If she deletes my edits once again, it will only validate what I am saying. Can anyone recommend a good mediator on this sites to resolve this issue? This item was in her article for months (see history). Until she recently gave up her crown no one objected to it. I am sure there is a way it can be included in article. Might have to be reworded, but it is information related to the topic that can be cited. --XLR8TION 11:48, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with AfterMidnight that the fact that it has stayed there for a while is irrelevant... just because noone's picked up on it doesn't mean it's acceptable. However, I think your latest revision is fine, and a good way to deal with it.  Hopefully the others will agree.  I'm still a but unhappy with the last sentence because again it's an affirmative sentence based on a gossip column, but overall I think it is an improvement. PageantUpdater  User Talk   Review me!  12:23, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * No, I do not agree that the most recent version is fine. The only change that was made was that of the word gossip to celebrity.  This information is still a BLP violation, aside from the fact that who she is dating is WP:NOT encyclopedic.  I also remind XLR8TION again that they are flirting very close to the 3RR line.  If she gets married, it belongs.  If the relationship between 2 individuals becomes notable, that may merit inclusion.  But a single source in a gossip column about a date that she went on that the newspaper claims was verified by a "close friend" does not belong in this (or any) article in any fashion. --After Midnight 0001 14:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello there--comment about Zuleyka's ethnicity
I am new to Wikipedia! Apologies for deleting the statement about Zuleyka's non-European features. :) I am concerned though about this statement since it is not validated by sources in the Wikipedia article itself. You say that her non-European features made headlines in the island newspapers. Could you provide the links to these articles in the form of a footnote? Was it El Nuevo Dia? El San Juan Star? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Puertoricangirl44 (talk • contribs) 07:24, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Get a print edition of Vea Magazine to find your answer. Again read my comments on this page regarding Alba Reyes. If Alba was the first Miss Puerto Rico Univser of color to represent the island in the pageant (she didn't win; Jennifer Hawkins of Australia won that year), than all other candidates prior to Alba were of European ancestry. Look at this year's winner, Ingrid Rivera. Fair white skin, blue eyes, etc.. It has always been common in many Latin American nations with a strong identification to the First World (e.g. Argentina, Chile, Costa Rica, Puerto Rico, etc..) for their media to tout the importance of caucasian beauty than that of mixed race. Billboards in Mexico show blonde, fair skin models, not typical women of the country who are primarily of Native American stock.--XLR8TION (talk) 12:17, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Ethnicity
Deborah carty deu is not of white colombian ancestry. Why is zuleyka ethnicity left out of her article?????

What is her ethnicity? She seems to have a very mixed background. Carioca 04:00, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, considering she's from Puerto Rico, I think she will have a diverse background. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.115.212.184 (talk • contribs).

She is latinia or a mix of white people from spain and the natives that used to live on the island same with mexico but i am not totataly sure there is an article about that somewhere in wikipedia, oh here it is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mestizo

Zuleyka is a Mulatto she is part black and white

yes but shes also a mix of the natives that used to live on the island she is either mestizo or mulatto/mestizo but i am sure she is not mulatto if you read purto rico history it says spain invade the tino indians and other tribes that lived on the islands in the 1700s so that most likly makes her a mestizo or a mulatto/mestizo

Zuleyka is probably mulatto/mestizo but she is most definitely not mestizo

Zuleyka's Paternal grandparents are black

Unless they're mixed or something comparable to creole, none of Zuleyka's grandparents can be 100% black. Have you seen pics of her parents and her little brothers? Her dad is dark skined but not black. That said, know that I don't claim to be an expert on this type of stuff. It's all very complicated; you can't just look at someone and know for sure what their ethnicity, or racial background is. Anyways, my point is, please excuse my ignorance on this subject.

Zulekya's grandparents were on local WXTV in New York where she joined them. Her grandmother in fact said that she was happy that Zuleyka not only represented the island and PR women, but also the fact that she was the first Miss Universe from PR of color. It doesnt take a genealogist, scientist, etc.. to figure out that she is mixed heritage. She is the only winner of mixed heritage. Ignorance is to deny that she isn't. Whoever wrote that comment on my page is clearly blind. Also, make sure to sign your entry. --XLR8TION 21:24, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I just removed the statement about her ethnicity because it doesn't make any sense. It states that: "She is also the first winner from Puerto Rico of mixed racial heritage". The reason that the statement is innacurrate is that close to everyone in Puerto Rico is of mixed racial heritage. I've live d here all my life and i havent met one person who is of 'pure heritage' in Puerto Rico.Nnfolz 08:42, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * To contradict those of her mixed heritage, it is clear and simple to see that she is the first Miss Universe of predominately Non-European heritage. For those who know anything about immigration to the island during the late 1800s, there was heavy Spanish immigration to was very strong. When Alba Reyes was elected Miss Puerto Rico a few years ago she was highly touted in the media as being the first "Non-White} (hence "European") Miss Puerto Rico ever. The overall racial features on the former candidates are very evident. In the last census (2000) 85% of the population identify themselves as "white". Let's not let ignorance take over this conversation. --XLR8TION 21:59, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

And there is no proof that she is of Spanish descent so why is she in the category Puerto Ricans of Spanish descent. That should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Newdecmoi (talk • contribs) 00:42, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

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Biografía en español
Si es representante de la nación puertorriqueña, su biografía debería estar en español ¿no? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.35.10.207 (talk) 08:46, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * This is english wikipedia. All articles here will be written in the english language, another thing is for sure, looks like english wikipedia is more concerned about Puerto Rico's issues than spanish wikipedia.-- Puerto.rico 19:07, July 25 2006 (EST)

She denies having plastic surgery
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/7/26/apworld/20060726094746&sec=apworld — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.73.224.20 (talk) 16:21, 28 July 2006 (UTC)