Talk:Zune

Wrong word in use
"Craig Ferguson from CBS did several sketches in which he degraded the way Microsoft tried to sell Zune devices."

I am not sure what the author meant, but "degraded" is not correctly used in this sentence. "Derided", perhaps? Liam Proven (talk)

I'd say "lampooned".75.79.161.32 (talk) 04:40, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Zune 30 and MPEG-4 files
Someone gt the idea that the Zune 30 can't currently play MPEG-4 video files, and that this feature will be added soon. I don't know where they got their info, but my Zune 30 has played MPEG-4 video files since the day I bought it. How is this a "new" feature? -NordsternMN 02:06, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The Zune (device) cannot currently play natively the mpeg-4 video format. It needs to transcode (convert) the mpeg4 (xvid) video into native format for the device to accept and play.  The only good news is that it saves time and uses industry wide standard video format which few use atm.  The news was mentioned on many blogs and on a microsoft zune team blog. - 6etonyourfeet (talk?) 04:45, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

The Zune 30 cannot play MP4 files natively, the software converts them-wcnghj. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.105.245.95 (talk) 14:03, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Zune Limited Edition Section
There are sure a lot of limited and special edition Zunes clogging up the Models section. Perhaps a special section should be dedicated to special colors, or limited edition Zunes? Dcastimore 18:45, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Whoever keeps putting Hot Pink as a regular Zune 30 color and Red and a limited edition needs to get educated. Hot Pink only had 100 of them made. Red had like 100000 made. It is inconsistent to put Pink in regular zune colors, but put Red in Limited Edition. They both said limited edition on the box, but I don't consider them to be very limited considering how many were made. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.12.48.159 (talk) 03:49, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree it's not even relevant to the new Zunes. Probably place em in the Zune 30 section or create limited Zunes article like you suggested. - 6etonyourfeet (talk?) 19:27, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I would like to move the first 6 paragraphs of the models section to the Zune 30 page and replace it with something like this:


 * The Zune 30 was the first Zune music player, and has a 30GB hard drive for storage. The Zune 30 is similar in size to the Ipod classic.


 * The Zune 4 is a second generation Zune with 4GB of flash memory for storage. The Zune 4 is smaller than the Zune 30, and is similar to the Ipod Nano. The second generation Zune has a Zune Pad instead of the simple directional pad included on the Zune 30.


 * The Zune 8 is the same as the Zune 4, with the exception that it has 8GB of storage rather than 4gb.


 * The Zune 80 is a replacement to the Zune 30, with a larger 80GB hard drive. It is 14% thinner and 20% lighter than the Zune 30 and also includes the Zune Pad.
 * Any Suggestions?? Dcastimore 17:57, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Be WP:BOLD but I suggest that you try to merge your summarize all the models from the single one liner paragraphs into single unified paragraph. Also try to avoid references to iPod because there is an editor who consistently deletes/censors references to iPod when the comparison to competition is acknowledged by reporting media.  You might want to cite the last paragraph because the figures may be WP:OR to some readers. - 6etonyourfeet (talk?) 23:50, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I've divided the 'colors' section into a 'limited editions' section as well. Both the old Zune 30's and the new Zunes have limited editions. Too bad the new section still is just as wide as the old section, it's hard to do side-by-side comparison with such a wide column. --Eptin (talk) 02:51, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Anyone got a latest zune?
If anyone has bought a latest zune, take a photograph of it and update this page... Thankyou Mugunth 10:11, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Firmware update
The firmware update released today granted all Zunes updated codec and format support, plus podcast support and wireless synching, basically the entire Zune 2 package. --Basique 17:26, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Videos
There are now videos available on the new marketplace. there should be added infotramiotn babout the update--84.60.232.36 21:01, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Music
The Zune comes preloaded with eleven songs all in a playlist called "Zune Gems". None of these songs can upload from the Zune to the computer, but unlike their video counterparts their thumbnails (album covers) display.


 * please specify what kind. i got a 4gb zune (2nd generation obviosly) but the only preloaded thing was a video promoting the zune and a couple pictures that could be used as a wallpaper Geekyperson (talk) 18:20, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Videos
The Halo 3 Zune employs different sections for videos, the only Zune with the capability to do this.

TV Shows
The TV shows section shows another stunning feature only available to the Halo 3 Zune. It has videos placed in subsections, where the line you would usually click to view a videos information takes the user to a list of videos

Halo 3 ViDOC
The Halo 3 ViDOC section contains three videos, all downloadable from the Zune to the computer. In these subsections of videos it shows the month and date of creation to the left of the video, with thumbnails at the top and the name of the section directly below.

Red vs Blue: The Blood Gulch Chronicles
The second of the two subsections contains the first six episodes of Red vs Blue, all can be downloaded from Zune to PC.

Music Videos
None of the music videos can be downloaded from Zune to computer and as such none of them have thumbnails when searching through videos.

Section for Discussion
This section should be included as it gives insight to new Zune features to come along with information. -67.167.255.17 (talk) 00:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

All the Zunes can do the Movies, TV Shows and Music Videos categories, not just the Halo 3 Zune. That is handled through special metatags used in the content. Also, information about the specific preloaded content is of little importance. 121.220.223.22 (talk) 13:13, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


 * No they can't. Videos cannot be sorted yet, only for the Halo 3 Zune, see this. 76.16.188.239 (talk) 17:47, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Microsoft doesn't single the Halo 3 Zune out here. Confirmation? 121.220.199.112 (talk) 16:51, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I also had to check on this, but it is indeed a Halo 3 Zune. ., and --Eptin (talk) 19:55, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

This section should be removed or put on a secondary page. It doesn't contain any references. Its language reads like marketing speak i.e. "another stunning feature". It is trivial content. Preloaded content is not important enough to deserve such a large portion of the article. Perhaps something like "The Halo edition contains x halo trailers and y red vs blue episodes" would be appropriate provided we can find references to cite for ths information, but a full listing just clutters the article. Graavy (talk) 15:11, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


 * How would you cite information that could just be written down from the Zune? Also the Trailers are linked to other articles. 76.16.188.239 (talk) 17:47, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Strip it down to a couple of numbers. 121.220.212.98 (talk) 15:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

weird wording in the article
Just a while ago, I noticed that this article described the zune as a product from microsoft to "fight back against apple inc." First of all, that just sounds weird. We might as well get all of our zunes to "fight" the evil apple company, right? >.>

I will change this statement into "This is microsoft's attempt to compete with apple's ipod".

"Zune's primary competitors are the Apple iTunes/iPod product line and the SanDisk Sansa line." Does this line even matter? It is possible that the "primary" competitors could change monthly or even weekly. I think deep down the point that is trying to be made is that, MS is trying to compete with the big digital music player makers by making a similar player. What about other players, the Zen for example. I think a statement saying something like "The Zune is MS's attempt to compete in the portable digital entertainmnet market" or something. Not to mention that for music purchases you have cd's, Rhapsody, napster, and Amazon, amongst other smaller sellers too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xcalibur27 (talk • contribs) 20:05, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 03:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Zune 2 software features lost
There is a short mention of the features lost from 1 to 2. One that it does not mention is down-level transcoding. Since the firmware update give natives support for WMA-L and WMC recorded TV, the Zune software no longer gives an option to transcode audio to lower bitrates and video to lower-resolutions. This is a PITA as the Simpsons now takes 2GB per epi on the player instead of 200mb. That's a massive amount on a 4/8GB flash based player. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)

New games section
I remove the games section because it is news (WP:FUTURE), its importance is questionable and might be vaporware or pr stunt. The self-published source the blogs are not reliable per WP:SPS. Microsoft (Peter Moore) already had made this claim. See

Games
On February 20th, 2008 Microsoft announced that video games would be available for the Zune platform. . It is unclear how games will be distributed, but it is likely that they will be available for purchase and download through the Zune Marketplace.

Microsoft has also announced XNA Game Studio 3.0, which will allow amateur game developers to create their own games for the Zune at no cost.

Developers will be able to take advantage of the Zune's many hardware features including the touch sensitive control pad as well as the wi-fi connection for multiplayer gaming across several devices.

- 6etonyourfeet (talk?) 18:17, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I wondered where the Games Section went. --68.81.70.65 (talk) 11:41, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Removing reference to unauthorized "capability"
I'm removing:
 * However, through tweaking in system registry, you can enable the Zune to appear in Windows Explorer; thus allowing for it to be used as a portable harddrive.

"Capabilities" that are created through the use of unauthorized hacks are not real capabilities. This is no more appropriate than observing that you can grind a sharp edge on a Zune and use it to clean fingernails.

And without being privy to Microsoft's reasons for restricting the Zune, there is no way to know whether this is an artificial restriction made for (to me incomprehensible) reasons, or whether Microsoft actually knows some good reason for not allowing the Zune to be used as a general-purpose hard drive (e.g. overheating under normal disk workloads). Dpbsmith (talk) 03:20, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a managed file system. The management software (on the device, and the PC) have no reference to these files and may clean them up doing garbage collection of temp and orphan files (ie, trash user data, a big no-no).  And if the shell can see the device, then so can all sorts of disk utilities. It's not tested for any of these situations that could lead to loss of user data, and/or brick the device.  It's an artificial restriction, but it's done for good reasons so that non-technical users don't screw it up. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)
 * Confirming my opinion, I think. If Microsoft doesn't provide a way to use the Zune as a hard drive, and if hacking the registry to make it usable as a hard drive could be endanger its functioning as a Zune, then it's inappropriate to say that the Zune "has" hard drive capability. Dpbsmith (talk) 17:30, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

That's just bullshitting... This is an encyclopedia, we can state here, what Microsoft intended with its product and we should also state what the product actually is. The Zune has without doubt hard-drive capabilities. To not mention that is like to not mention that many PS3-Stations were not used for playing but for creating supercomputers by cluster their CPUs (as the AFRL did) or to not mention that stamps get collected by many instead of using them to send mail or to not mention that old clothes got used to produce paper out of it. "unauthorized" is just no argument at all here! 80.218.3.218 (talk) 13:30, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

No picture?
Why do we have no picture of the Zune at the top of the article? We have plenty of free pictures, but they keep getting removed so only the proprietary logo is up. SteveSims (talk) 02:56, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Zune colors
The colors listed in the specifications table on the "Colors" should be those listed by Microsoft. Those are the colors that are part of the Zune specifications.

Third party custom modifications shouldn't be listed, at least not in the specifications table, because they form no part of the specifications for the device. The fact that you can paint an 80 MB Zune red does not mean that the specifications for the 80 MB Zune include a red color, any more than the replacing the disk drive with a larger one would mean that there is a 100 MB Zune. You can repel a cat by throwing a Zune at it, but that does not mean that the specifications for a Zune include "cat repellent." Dpbsmith (talk) 21:49, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Zune Software
Is the Zune marketplace not the same as the zune software? The marketplace is the only software included with the zune. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.206.69.55 (talk) 12:11, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The current release of Songbird was able to fully indentify and mount my Zune 30 after I installed the MTP device addon from their site. --Xero (talk) 10:05, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Battery Life
Theirs no way that the 1 week vs 5 hour comparision is true, can someone look into it? --Elven6 (talk) 00:54, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

No pics??
I do not see one single picture of the actual player in the entrie article. Someone needs to put one in there. 220.236.108.53 (talk) 22:29, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Red 80GB Zunes?
An editor recently replaced the referenced statement that "Red available when ordered from Zune Originals with extra-cost custom artwork" with the unreferenced assertion that red is one of the standard colors; his edit comment says that "I just purchased a red 80gb Zune from a department store." If someone were to find a newspaper ad in which this or some other store advertises red 80gb Zunes, I'd have no objection to adding the statement that they are also available from these stores.

While I was editing this, the editor added a reference to a Zune Insider article. This article states that "Red Zune 80s are beginning to make their way into retail stores. After returning to Zune Originals, Red Zune 80 will soon be available for purchase at retail stores." Unfortunately the retail stores are not named, and "red" is still not part of Microsoft's specifications.

Therefore, the appropriate action is not to remove the qualifications but to retain the statement that red is available with extra-cost customer artwork and add the additional information that Zune Insider says it will soon be available at retail stores. Dpbsmith (talk) 20:33, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The Wal*Mart reference is great. The statement that red is available still needs to be qualified. It's obvious that it's available through some channels. It's not at all obvious that red and black have the same status and that red either is or soon will be available through all channels that carry Zunes. The article should stick to what the references actually say. Right now, we have:
 * A reference that says it is available by online order from Walmart.com and in "limited" stores (which, by the way, according to the site, does not include any Wal*Mart within a hundred miles of where I live, although there are twenty Wal*Marts within thirty miles).
 * A reference (ZuneInsider) that says it will "soon be available for purchase at retail stores." Very unclear whether that means all retail stores that carry Zunes, or not. It is certainly not available though all channels; Amazon does not list them, for example.
 * A Microsoft Zune.net page that continues to list only black.


 * The article should reflect only what the references say, no more and no less. I don't know whether red Zune 80's are essentially available or soon to be available everywhere as of May 2008, or whether Microsoft is restricting them to favored partners, or what, and neither do you.


 * At the moment, the status of red Zune 80s still appears to be different in some way from the status of black Zune 80s. Dpbsmith (talk) 19:57, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I still think it's simply a matter of slow updates on the official site. If you hadn't noticed, the official site has a fancy rotating preview of the model, so I can only guess that the official site has a delay in its update. The red Zune is available from Walmart, Amazon (which you didn't appear to find), Best Buy, Circuit City, Radioshack, MacMall, Buy.com, ElectronicsShowplace, and PC Connection- all major retailers (minor retailers also offer the device). Additionally, it is available from the Zune website for the standard price.


 * As a concession, I'm changing the article text to admit the sale of most major retail outlets. Again, the sources available make it clear that this is a new product which is widely released (the availability of the product at local Wal-Marts is not a reliable indicator, as my own local store is missing pretty much every widescreen version of my select DVDs- obviously, it doesn't mean the widescreen version has a special status, but that the store itself made a stocking decision concerning which products to purchase).--C.Logan (talk) 20:08, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Criticisms
I notice that a number of criticism that were previous in this article have been removed (such as criticism from Walt Mossberg and Paul Thurott alike on the costs of songs on the Zune Marketplace ''First, you can't just buy a song. Instead, you have to buy bundles of Microsoft Points first, and then feed off of that reserve whenever you want to make a purchase. The minimum purchase is 400 Microsoft Points, which costs $5.00. No 99 cent micropayments for you, Zune boy.
 * So, just because someone says it, doesnt make it wiki-worthy. Its a very minor minor point.  There are many similar systesm in use at Nintendo and others -- yet there are no mention there of this being a "criticism".  It should not be included.  Minutia.

These "criticisms" you're talking about are solely opinion-based, and therefore not unbiased.

Second, because songs and albums are priced in Points, Microsoft is obscuring the true cost of this content. A song on Zune typically costs 79 Microsoft Points, which, yes, is about 99 cents. But it seems like less because it's just 79 Points. And that's not right.


 * Not obscuring the true cost at all. That's insane.  Its clear to see that the MS Points to Local Currancy is static, this actually INCREASES the true cost by fixing the value for all shoppers internationally.

''To say "and that's not right" is a matter of opinion, and a highly biased one at that. Keep your criticisms objective.''

Furthermore, because you're buying Points in 400 Point increments, you'll almost never actually be able to clean out your reserve of Points. Thus, you've given Microsoft money you'll never get back, or receive content for. That, too, is not right.'' http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/zune.asp


 * Simply not true. Elementary math tells you otherwise.

''Again, you're only giving your opinion here. However, if you rephrase your point, and take out the "not right" talk, it would be a valid one.''

Also, there's the fact that the Zune cannot be used as hard disk (unlike most other mp3 players). Moreover, the Zune only works in combination with Microsoft Windows. The Zune requires a separate media player to be installed next to Windows Media Player.


 * Not true. Zune & WMC use the same playback method.

''So? Why is this a criticism?''

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.248.249.204 (talk) 07:31, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

The Zune (80, at least) will not allow you to keep files on your device while deleting them off your computer. As soon as you sync up next time, it will automatically delete those files off your Zune. Therefore, it is impossible to use the Zune as additional storage for your media files, which is a major disappointment. One possible solution is to sync the items you no longer want to keep on your computer first, then make your Zune software "forget this device," then proceed with the sync. However, this does not let you access those files through your computer. Does anybody know if Microsoft is making an effort to correct this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.191.90.182 (talk) 08:42, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Regarding "Incompatibility with other media players" - These complaints seem like they would apply to the iPod and perhaps some other mp3 players but there is no mention of them in the iPod articles. I'm a self admitted noob. Should I be commenting over there instead? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.190.158.6 (talk) 01:05, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * This article -- like EVERY OTHER MICROSOFT ARTICLE -- has constant, ridiculous pressure to air every zealot's pointless attacks. "MS Points"?  Total non-issue.  Go and look at Oracle, Apple, Sony, Logitech and other MS competitor pages. You'll quickly see that Wikipedia has a different standard, and barrier-to-entry for NEGATIVE comments when the article is MS related than any other technology firm on the planet.
 * As usual, this article is no different. Zealots are fighting their petty wars on the pages of Wikipedia.

"Digital rights management" This argument is due to other services having DRM not a fault of Zune? -NeF (talk) 19:20, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

This article still needs a Criticisms section. (74.248.192.95 (talk) 04:18, 3 March 2009 (UTC))


 * I don't want to wade into this forest - but currently I see *no* mention (positive, negative, or anything else) of the "Microsoft point system" at all. (Doing a search for "points" - perhaps it's called something else in the article.) Regardless of what whether this is a positive or a negative or one's opinion of it - it is still relevant information. Jimw338 (talk) 19:45, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Dude, we need a picture
Nuff said, I didnt c a single 1.72.138.216.89 (talk) 11:37, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Dude, I added one. -- Zim Zala Bim talk  16:30, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Zune software as a media player
Can one use the Zune software without a Zune to playback H.264 etc etc stuff? I don't want to download the huge thing and try doing that before I know if I can. - xpclient  Talk 17:01, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, but your question doesn't really belong here. This page is for article discussion. --Luinfana (talk) 19:20, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Bot report : Found duplicate references !
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :) DumZiBoT (talk) 05:34, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "squirtfailure" :
 * op. cit.
 * op. cit.

"...but only by those with the developers tools."
I'm deleting the comment that game developed with an "early" version of XNA Game Studio
 * can be deployed and played on the Zune, but only by those with the developers tools.

This is irrelevant, as are various other capabilities that ingenious tinkerers can add to a Zune, because they are not in Microsoft's specs and are thus not capabilities of the Zune product as manufactured and released by Microsoft.

RIght now, Microsoft's official summary description of the Zune product line does not mention the word "games," nor do the specs

The fact that a modified Zune can play them is as irrelevant as the fact that a modified classic Mac can be used to raise live tropical fish. It can be and it has been, but a Mac is not an aquarium.

That developers tools are available is interesting, relevant, and certainly lends credence to the likelihood that factory-issued Zunes will have game-playing capability in the future. The fact that motivated users can hot-rod a Zune to play games now says much more about motivated users than it says about Zunes.Dpbsmith (talk) 21:31, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Infobox
The to-do list says this article needs to be refocused as an overview of the Zune line, similar to the iPod article. Shouldn't we change the infobox to something similar to the iPod article then? There are too many models to try to include all the specs in the main article anyway. I already made an infobox just like the iPod one is, so if no one objects I'll put it in. Charles 17:25, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

iPod page
The table on the iPod page that illustrates Models with an image beside the pertinent specs, might also work very well here. --68.81.70.65 (talk) 06:03, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Third party modifications allow Zunes to sync with Windows Media Player, Media Monkey, iTunes and Songbird.

This statement has the following problems: 1) It needs sources. What it needs, specifically, is a source that discusses this in a context that makes it clear that these are popular and widely used and that a reliable source recommends them. The source should not be promotional in nature. If there is were article in a PC magazine with a title like "32 Ways to Enhance Your Zune" or "How To Sync Your Zune With Other Jukebox Programs" that would be ideal.

2) Both the cited sources and the statement itself need to be crystal-clear on whether these modifications are safe. For example, if these third-party modifications are developed under some kind of Microsoft authorized developer program that should be stated. If there is reason to believe that there are unauthorized modifications which Microsoft might object to and deliberately try to break, as Apple apparently does, that should be stated. If the truth is in the middle--these are unauthorized modifications based on reverse engineering rather than published APIs and nobody knows how risky they are--that should be stated, too. Dpbsmith (talk) 09:46, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

* There's a reason why that Zune sync image is on the Songbird page, it's pretty easy to test, install Songbird and sync to a Zune device. The Media Monkey hack is not safe but it is doable. --68.81.70.65 (talk) 19:08, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I've reworded this. The factual information is that Zune enthusiasts have made online forum postings that report some successes in evading these limitations. By saying that, we're stating a fact. We're not vouching for the accuracy of anyone's forum postings, we're just saying "Zune enthusiasts say this," and we're making it clear that our source is forum postings (which, of course, do not actually meet Wikipedia's reliable source guidelines). I don't think it's necessary to name the players in the article text; because people who care can follow the references. It makes me uncomfortable to promote MediaMonkey by name.

Finally, this is material about Zune incompatibilities with third-party players. Zunes are by design intended to work only with Microsoft's Zune software. In this respect they resemble Apple's iPod and I believe differs from Microsoft's PlaysForSure technology. The fact that it's possible to work around these limitations doesn't change the fact that the Zune product has these limitations. Dpbsmith (talk) 00:30, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Revision
I have made several revisions of the article in a series. I only intended to make a small change but kept making small changes until some sections were very revised. Please review,  I think some of these changes work to address the copy edit requested tag on the top of the page. Thank you. Miami33139 (talk) 02:42, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Someone needs to add cultural references section
The Zune is pretty lame (iPods are lame because MP3s are lame, making the Zune a lame copy of lame), and the NBC show Chuck clowned it in the Missile Command episode (Chuck Versus Tom Sawyer):

Chuck Bartowski: Morgan! Hey, ah, buddy, do we carry any Rush CDs in the store? Morgan Grimes: No need. I got them all in my Zune. Chuck Bartowski: You have a Zune? Morgan Grimes: Are you kidding me? No, no. I'll grab my iPod.

I don't know how to add a whole new section and don't want to wreck the page trying, but someone should add that, you can use IMDB quotes as the source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.228.185 (talk) 09:55, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I highly doubt that is notable or relevant to the article. --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 02:15, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * "iPods are lame because MP3s are lame" MP3 is not the only format iPods can play back, nor is it even the format used by the iTunes Music Store, nor the default format for importing CD tracks into iTunes. Aragorn2 (talk) 20:32, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I would be nice to have some Culturarl references but I'm not realy surprised they aren't included. Just saw an episode of Family Guy where Mr Putershmit says:
 * "Hey Bill, can you help me program my Zune? Oh wait, I got an iPod like the rest of the world!".
 * However I was surprised the article did not include a Reception section with more information about how the Zune was received besides an oblique reference to sales figures and iPod having a 63% market share. Though articles are not expected to have a Critism or Controversy section, a bit more information about Reception would seem like a good idea. -- Horkana (talk) 23:43, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm the OP on this topic. True to form, Two and a Half Men has copied another joke, doing the Zune joke in the first episode with Ashton Kutcher ("You bought a ZUNE?!?!). Anyhow, cultural references haven't been added or deemed appropriate, but the larger issue here is that this article is totally un-encyclopedic and without context. If a space alien visited Earth, heard the name Zune, and went to look it up here, he would seen a tediously wordy article that goes on and on as if the Zune is a thriving industry of its own, instead of letting him know top and center what the Zune is: A colossal failure. All this, despite the backing of one of the biggest companies of all time, throwing good money after bad into this pit for a decade. Two percent of the world makes fun of the Zune. The other ninety-eight percent never heard of it.--75.79.150.41 (talk) 05:29, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Zune freezing (Merge Y2K9 article into this one)
There is already a section in the main Zune article about the freezing that's going on. Granted that many news sources are using the "term", but I can't see that the Y2K9 article really should be a separate article in itself.  FlowerpotmaN ·(t) 19:02, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I've been bold and changed it to a redirect. I'm not even sure a random nickname is worth an article of its own. --Blowdart | talk 19:21, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yup. A couple of news items are using the Y2K9 term, so I suppose leaving the redirect there for a while will send anyone thinking of creating an article there to the Zune article. Sorted :)  FlowerpotmaN &middot;(t) 19:24, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Zune 16
In the article, it is stated that the Zune16 is part of the second generation. I believe this is false, as the Zune16 was released along with the Zune120 in the third generation. - down load  | sign!  02:11, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * there is no third generation zune, you must be thinking of the zune sofware 3.0. the 1st zune generation was the 30gb one and the 2nd generation is the 4/8/16/80/120 ones with the touch-sensitive pad. (the zune 3.0 sofware must have been released somwere near the realease of the 16 and 120 on September 16. Geekyperson (talk) 18:41, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

zune v3 has been announced for this fall or next spring or something, so the 16 has to be v2. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xcalibur27 (talk • contribs) 19:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

120 color?
It says that the 120GB is available in blue at the zune store yet I dont see it all I see is red and black anybody have any idea whats going on? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2004JETTA (talk • contribs) 02:46, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see it either at the Zune Store. I'll remove it.  - down load  | <font face="Papyrus" color="#8A2BE2">sign!  03:34, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, it is availible at the Zune Store, just not at http://www.zune.net. (See https://zunestore.net/us/catalog/Devices.aspx.)  <font face="Papyrus" color="#9966CC">- <font face="Papyrus" color="#7B68EE">down <font face="Papyrus" color="#9966CC">load  <font face="Papyrus" color="#7B68EE">| <font face="Papyrus" color="#8A2BE2">sign!  03:36, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Sansa
I'm pretty sure that the 'Sandisk Sansa' is not a primary competitor for the Zune. Following the same logic, all flash/disk based MP3 players should be named as 'primary competitors' (which doesn't make sense anyway as surely there is only one 'primary' competitor?). Should this reference be removed? Dechetes (talk) 08:25, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Merge all zune articles
I think, it would be more efficient to merge all articles on zune players (Zune_80,_120, Zune_4,_8,_16 and Zune_30) into Zune article. Articles on individual players are very brief and have a little value by themselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.46.160.96 (talk) 18:34, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

At first, when there was only a single Zune model, it made sense and in fact it only existed a single article for the first Zune models. Since then, all different models share only the brand name and the proprietary plug; so it made sense to separate them instead of trying to mash all different specifications into a single, large and boring article. As a halfway suggestion, I would recommend adding at the top of all individual Zune articles a Wikipedia link directing to the main article "Zune". --Flurry (talk) 00:15, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Zune HD battery life of 24 hours or 4 hours of video not 33 audio hours or 8 hours of video
Source: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9452004&st=Zune_20090816&lp=1&type=product&cp=1&id=1218106991222 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.48.178.210 (talk) 00:01, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The battery life on that page is in error. Microsoft released an updated specs sheet and notified technology blogs of this change (for example: http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/zune-hd-specs-fill-in-the-blanks-on-video-format-support-batter/). An updated specs sheet can be found here: http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/engadget/files/Zunespecs_0813.pdf CheeToS (talk) 04:51, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Zune HD Specs table
I thought the HD column of the specs table looked untidy so I thought about splitting the 16GB model and 32GB model into separate coloumn. E.g.

Is this ok to put into the article? Complete Prat (talk) 16:51, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


 * How about you seperate the list into two: discontinued models and current models. As of now, Microsoft is only selling the Zune HD. All "squircle" Zunes are obselete according to a trusted source. &mdash;Terrence and Phillip 00:14, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The HD-16 is only available in black. The HD-32 Has platinum, and the 3 additional colors(as of right now on the originals store).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.164.81.196 (talk) 22:29, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Origin of the name
Does "Zune" refer to something, or is it just an arbitrary coinage? JamesMLane t c 01:07, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

I think it's just something random that they came up with. I do know that if you look hard enough, you can see the letters "z", "u", "n", and "e" in the logo. Maybe they made the logo and were going to call it something else, like an mBox or something, but then some guy on the team saw the letters and said, "Zune is cooler than mBox, let's go with that." I tried asking a member of the team how it came about, but he said he didn't know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris122990 (talk • contribs) 22:02, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Chris122990 (talk) 22:03, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Ah, after some posting on the zune forums, I found out that Microsoft actually asked another company to come up with the name. Here's a link: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/techchron/detail?blogid=19&entry_id=10950 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris122990 (talk • contribs) 00:27, 2 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I wonder how much somebody got paid for saying "Zune".


 * From looking at pages on the Chronicle website, I get the impression that the author of the piece you found is a staffer. Therefore, even though the URL includes the dreaded four-letter combination "blog", it appears to meet the test of WP:RS.  I'm adding the information to our article. JamesMLane t c 01:41, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Zune 8 gb worth 99.99 usd
http://store.microsoft.com/microsoft/Entertainment-Zune-Players/category/30508 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.48.178.210 (talk) 01:51, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Zune 4.0 Software Date
Just because the Zune HD is being released on September 15th, doesn't mean that the 4.0 software will be released then as well. It's quite possible that Microsoft will put the software out sooner so that people that are going to buy the Zune HD will already have the right software.

131.204.210.234 (talk) 21:59, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, I just received the zune newsletter, and it states: "Soon you'll be able to experience the all-new Zune software packed with exciting new features. Watch for the update on September 15 so you'll be ready to enjoy the full Zune experience." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris122990 (talk • contribs) 17:51, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

It was updated somewhere around 1 AM GMT on September 15th, quite a few new updates too. We should see if there's an official release notes. Also the firmware for non HD Zunes went from 3.1 to 3.20. The release notes they have shared are more of a press release of the new features. Willy1234x1 (talk) 15:26, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Just cleaned up the Zune 4.0 subheading. .Absolution. (talk) 08:41, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Discontinued products
Just now, AppleInsider and SuperSite Blog reported that Microsoft has discontinued the entire Zune lineup, except for the Zune HD which will be released on the 15th. The flash-based Zune 4, 8, 16 and hard drive-based Zune 80, 120 are no longer being offered by Microsoft until its inventory runs out. Also the Zune 30 is no longer sold from the Zune website. That leaves only the Zune HD with the 16 GB black and 32 GB plantinum verisons. &mdash;Terrence and Phillip 00:11, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Another source. The article needs to be updated. &mdash;Terrence and Phillip 00:19, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Zune Marketplace article
I would like to create a Zune Marketplace article. The reason why I would like to create a Zune marketplace article is the Zune Marketplace is notable. There is a seperate article on iTunes Store. The Zune Marketplace is comparable to the iTunes store. I have a almost-complete version at User:Evosoho/Development/Zune Marketplace. I am proposing to split the Zune article into two articles: Zune and Zune Marketplace. Any objections? --evo talk contribs 13:34, 27 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I support this. I believe that especially with the update done to it for the Zune HD, the Zune Marketplace is comparable to the iTunes store. Chris122990 (talk) 05:30, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I support this as well, and it is even more deserving of its own article now that it is being supported on Xbox as well.Lifelonglego (talk) 00:43, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Support. I personally don't like Zunes, but as noted, it is notable enough and has received a fair amount of media attention.--fetchcomms 21:31, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Copy-edit
It's been tagged since September 2008. If no one's going to help me, I'll *try* to be bold and do some myself but it's a rather longish article...--fetchcomms 21:45, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Zune Sales
Zune's marketshare (before Zune HD) is at best 2%, with some figures showing it to be as low as 1%. I think this deserves some mention. NPD's numbers in the article are dated and deceiving. --Aizuku (talk) 10:16, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Originals
Do we have any info about Zune Originals on the page? Or did I somehow miss it? It only shows the different colors and stuff that can be found only on Zune Originals. -- B a r k j o n 18:20, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Confusion
This article seems very confused and jumbled just now. I improved the Zune Marketplace section, which was outdated with regard to availability outside the USA. But I think the article as a whole needs to be changed; there is this emphasis on the Zune devices, and Microsoft is now de-emphasising the devices and focusing on Zune as a service for Windows, Windows Phone, and Xbox. This is something that needs to be made clearer imo. CalumCookable (talk) 18:55, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

As of March 2011 it is reported that Microsoft will cease the introduction of new versions of Zune hardware
The widely cited Bloomberg article does not contain any official statement from Microsoft; there are only speculations and "said the person, who declined to be identified". Furthermore, Dave McLauchlan, Senior Business Development Manager for Zune gave an official comment on that Bloomberg article; he does not confirm or deny Bloomberg statements explicitly because of NDA, but he says to ignore any speculations until there is an official statement from Microsoft. Zune might be dead or might be well alive, we don't know it now, neither does Bloomberg or, probably, their "unidentified" source. So i believe it is unacceptable to place claims such as "it is reported that Microsoft will cease ..." in the article, because there are no reports, just speculations (and such speculations are constantly appearing since September 2010). Penartur (talk) 15:01, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I've just checked the article history; it seems that i should separate it into two points:
 * 1) "Microsoft announced that it will cease..." or "Zune was ..." statements are obviously unacceptable, because no official statement was made.
 * 2) "It is reported that Microsoft will cease..." statement in relation to the specific Bloomberg report is, i believe, also unacceptable, because we have a (semi-)official statement from Microsoft representative (see above) saying that we shouldn't listen to said report. Penartur (talk) 15:12, 15 March 2011 (UTC)


 * OK, but why not state that "it is reported" and "denied by a Senior Business Development Manager for Zune"


 * This report, true or not, has been widely quoted over the internet an therefore has become notable. It is better to state and cite both the original report and its denial than to say nothing. Boghog (talk) 18:28, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with you on your point on notability; however, i doubt "it is reported" is an appropriate choice of word. My English is very poor, but "reported" looks like something firm to me, not just speculations. Maybe it would be better to write something like "Recently there was published an independent article[1] claiming that Microsoft will cease the production of Zunes; the article was widely quoted over the internet. However, Microsoft representative denied[2] the rumors and awareness of the article' source"? Penartur (talk) 08:11, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Reminder that there are three distinct pieces of "Zune"; hardware, software, services. When text is added to the article, it should be clear what, if any, component is being discontinued. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)
 * Thanks for your feedback. What the Bloomberg article claimed is that no new models would be introduced, not that manufacture had stopped.  So I would suggest "Recently it was claimed that Microsoft would stop introducing new versions of the Zune music and video player. However a Microsoft representative denied this rumor. " Is this OK?  Boghog (talk) 05:20, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * "However a Microsoft representative for Zune business development denied this rumor saying the Windows Phone 7 platform are the Zune hardware devices for 2011." clunky wording, fix that, but let's say what the rep said, not just "denied the rumor". SchmuckyTheCat (talk)
 * Dave McLauchlan, Microsoft's Business Development Manager for Zune also said "We haven’t said what comes next – or what doesn’t." So he hasn't exactly denied the rumor either. In any case, I will go with your suggestion. Boghog (talk) 05:59, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I've just clarified McLauchlan claim in the article. There was a Zune refresh every autumn except for 2010 (2006: Zune 30; 2007: Zune 80 and 4/8; 2008: Zune 120 and 16, 2009: Zune HD), which caused rumors on Zune death. McLauchlan was trying to say that although Windows Phone platform is not a Zune device, they introduced Windows Phone instead of launching a new Zune, and this doesn't mean there will not be some Zune hardware refresh in 2011. However, my English is very poor, so it would be great if someone checked my edit and fixed it according to their knowledge of English. Penartur (talk) 23:10, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

I humbly ask someone to go through part of the article which has been subject of my edits ("Microsoft announced new versions of Zune once in a year prior to 2010..." etc) and rework it according to their knowledge of English. My English is very poor, and i believe the article should not be in its current state; i only made my edits to add critical information to the article. Penartur (talk) 14:59, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, it seems that Zune is not dead. Penartur (talk) 12:45, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Why isn't squirting mentioned in the article?
I noticed the former Zune feature know to as "squirting", which allows one to wirelessly send a song between two Zunes, is not mentioned anywhere in the article even though it was a much talked about and ridiculed name when the Zune first came out. Here is a link that discusses "squirting" with a Zune: http://www.newsweek.com/2006/11/26/zune-should-go-beyond-squirting.html Sholdn't this at least mentioned briefly? --Cab88 (talk) 21:41, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Zune "was" a digital media brand
I have changed the beginning of this article slightly, changing "was" to "is" and making a note that the hardware was discontinued instead, since the Zune brand still exists, even while the media players may be discontinued. The software for Windows Phone 7 is still branded as Zune software and for the foreseeable future will be continued to be branded as such. Shanerator2 (talk) 14:29, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Manjoo??
The word first appears in the "Legacy" section, second paragraph, without explanation. WTF is a "manjoo"?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.206.184.169 (talk) 09:26, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Sales section
It says in the sales section about the Zune's market share being only behind apple with 9% (and later the same year at 10% according to NPD).

Botht he above are wrong, as according to this source, SOURCE TB, Mach Speed devices had 19% of the market. So i think we can keep the same structure but just add names in the middle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leeroyhim (talk • contribs) 02:16, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

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Lifespan in the quick facts section
Is there any reason the end date of the lifespan is June 13, 2008? — Preceding unsigned comment added by CoryCoolguy (talk • contribs) 21:26, 5 June 2019 (UTC)