Talk:Zvonimir Boban

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I've incorporated the NPOV part of this into the profile. --MartinUK 19:38, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Cap Number
I have read several sources on Boban's time with Yugoslavia and have found conflicting numbers of caps for this time. Anyone know a definitive way of finding out? Bozman7000 (talk) 14:29, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Good work on improving the article. The Serbia national football team website is the best source for Yugoslavia stats (Reprezentacija.rs) - here's the link (in Serbian). The profile contains a short biography and lists all games and you can view each match report by clicking on the score.  Timbouctou ( talk ) 14:34, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Celta Vigo: loan?
Hey, I've read sources that suggested that Boban finished his career at Celta Vigo on loan (http://www.serieaweekly.com/2010/04/legend-of-calcio-zvonimir-boban.html), but others suggest a free transfer (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/zvonimir-boban/aufeinenblick/spieler_89545.html). I'm not sure which to believe, does anyone know for sure? Bozman7000 (talk) 16:55, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11849_2214943,00.html also suggests a loan... as does this site http://www.acmilan-online.com/zvonimir-boban.php Bozman7000 (talk) 16:55, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I looked it up in Slobodna Dalmacija archive, and it seems you were right - this sports section dated 5 August 2001 says Milan agreed a one-year loan with Celta. Also, here is a very detailed article talking about his entire career from October 2002 and here is an article in the Bosnian magazine BH Dani about his testimonial match, talking about a number of prominent players who showed up and how Goran Ivanišević came on to replace him. If you don't understand the language I can expand some sections with this material (sources like the "Croatian World Network" are not entirely reliable - it's a website maintained by Nenad Bach, a musician who lives in the US and runs it as more of a hobby).  Timbouctou ( talk ) 18:02, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Awesome, I was really struggling to find any sources for a lot of his personal life and Croatian career, as I don't speak the language. As you can see, I've used mostly Italian and international sources, as they are generally published in English as well. On an unrelated note, I also read a few unsubstantiated claims that he is friends with Roger Federer and plays regular exhibition matches with him, I don't know if there is any mention of that at all in Croat sources? Bozman7000 (talk) 18:26, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * There is a ton of articles on him in local sources but nobody bothered to compile them into a good article yet. As for Federer, I can't find many sources talking about this but there is short article published in June 2009 in 24sata. Goran Ivanišević and Boban are known to be good friends and it says in the article that when Ivanišević was preparing for the 2004 Wimbledon (his last Grand Slam appearance before retiring) he trained with Federer and it was then through Ivanišević that Boban was introduced to him. According to he article Boban and Federer continued to maintain good relations and it says Federer had personally invited Boban to watch the opening match of the 2009 Wimbledon Championships in which Federer played Lu Yen-hsun. It does not say anything about whether Boban actually played tennis with Federer, but I guess it is possible because they definitely know each other.  Timbouctou ( talk ) 19:01, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * In your opinion, is there much more that could be added to the article? Perhaps his youth career and early career in Croatia, maybe some youth team information, and possibly some added info about his personal life if any is available, but would you say his senior career is fairly well covered? Although there were actually a few things about him that I couldn't discover. For example, I read that he was hotly tipped to be Croatian FA chief after the 2004 European Championships, but I couldn't find any sources which told me the outcome of this saga. I assume that meant that he didn't get the job, but I guess that could be noteworthy? Bozman7000 (talk) 23:42, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Well the senior career could be expanded significantly. His time at Milan was quite eventful I think but Italian or English sources would be better for that. As for his Dinamo career, more could be said about the club during his time there. Regarding youth career - I don't think much is known about that - he began playing at NK Mračaj based in the village of Runović in the Runovići municipality near Imotski when he was 10. At age 13 he moved to Hajduk academy and when he was supposed to be offered a youth contract they famously said that he was too fragile and that his legs seemed too thin for him to ever become a player. His dad then took him to their greatest rivals, Dinamo Zagreb academy, and he began training with the first squad at the age of 16 although I think he first appeared for them in the senior level at age 17. The whole thing is regarded as one of the biggest failures of the otherwise well-regarded Hajduk youth system. I think it would be almost impossible to find any stats for his youth career as they were barely documented in Yugoslavia. As for the FA chief post, I don't remember 2004, it's possible I guess - but there has been a split within the FA just recently and two factions, both with a poor public image as they consist of people accused for corruption and shady deals - had a widely publicized power struggle. Whenever something like that happens (and it happens from time to time, usually when the FA chief is up for re-election) Boban's name is thrown around in the media as an ideal candidate to replace him because he stayed away from all the shady goings on in Croatian football since he retired and is seen as a positive and untarnished person. However, he himself never said he wanted the job and I suspect he never will. So it's more like wishful thinking on the part of some sections of the media and the general public. That could be mentioned in the article briefly. Also, it's his father that owns "Boban" in downtown Zagreb and it's not really a bar, it's more of a restaurant. His wife owns a boutique located not far from it. He worked as chairman of the board at Sportske novosti between late 2005 and late 2008 and wanted to bring the paper's focus more on football but eventually resigned. Also, according to this article Boban was selected into the best XI of foreign players who appeared in Serie A between 1980 and 2010. I'll look around some more and let you know.  Timbouctou  ( talk ) 04:28, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

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