Talk:Zwilling J. A. Henckels

Significance of the "zwilling" ("twin")
What is the significance of the "zwilling" ("twin") part of the company name? Unsigned posting from 02:53, 28. Mär. 2006 69.197.241.139


 * The following is taking from the manufacturers homepage: The history of the ZWILLING J.A. HENCKELS brand starts on June 13, 1731 (under the Gemini star sign). It was on that day that knife-maker Peter Henckels from Solingen registered the "Twin" symbol as his trademark with the Cutlers´ Guild of Solingen. This symbol which is now well-known all over the world, is thus one of the oldest trademarks in the world. Today´s name - ZWILLING J.A. HENCKELS - was given to the Company by a descendant of Peter Henckels, Johann Abraham Henckels. The German word for Gemini (or twin) is "Zwilling"  Cattleyard 09:00, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Awards
The awards section needs to be cited if the page isn't going to look like an advertisement, and should be re-written for a more appropriate formatting and style. If the knives won the awards, they should be listed on an independant website, not the Henckels website. "J.A. Henckels knives and cutlery-related products have received several awards and honorable mentions over the years. In 2005, Henckels TWIN Select and TWIN Pro 'S' were ranked #1 and #2 for cutlery sets by a leading non-profit consumer trade publication. In 2004, TWIN Cuisine cutlery received The GOOD DESIGN award, which is admininstered annually at the Chicago Athenaeum. In 2005, TWIN Kitchen Shears also won the award. J.A. Henckels has received the red dot design award several times over the past 10 years. The latest winners have been the TWIN Cuisine knife series in 2005, and the TWIN Cermax M66 series in 2006.  In the past two years, the TWIN Nail Clipper and TWIN Cermax M66 knife series has received the iF product design award at the Hannover Exhibition Centre."

WLU 01:28, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Henckels won a Gold Medal at the International Exhibition in Varna Bulgaria in 1939 Boothferry (talk) 03:06, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

From Jgioacchini's talk page
Taken from User talk:Jgioacchini You should check out some other kitchen cutlery pages then. They provide the same information that you removed from our page. To be fair, all pages should be subject to the same rules.

Also, as far as "bragging" with awards, I would not call it bragging at all. The company received awards, its a fact. Check out the website at www.jahenckels.com. You can check out the iF design website and the reddot award website for confirmation. The awards listing in no way said anything besides the facts. Each knife series was listed with the award it received. If that's bragging, then I'm confused.

For the places to find Henckels products, several other brands list where to purchase their products. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jgioacchini (talk • contribs)

Here are my replies to these comments:
 * 1) 'It appears on other pages' is a reason to correct the other pages to be in line with policy. Information on wikipedia pages must be reliable and neutral, and wikipedia is not a place to advertise.  The pages are subject to the same rules - you'd be doing wikipedia a favour if those other pages were corrected.  Please check out the links to policies, so you understand why I'm taking the position I do.  If you still disagree, we can discuss it here.
 * 2) If the knives have received awards, they should indeed be noted, but these awards must be documented by a reliable source. I'm pretty sure the henckels website isn't one of them, it's not independent - the awarding bodies should have the awards themselves listed on their own websites, those would be independent sources and much more credible than the henckels website.  If iF and reddot websites have their own citations of the knives, those sources would definitely add to the page, so please put them up.  I can help you with the formatting if you'd like, or post them on this talk page and I'll add them myself.
 * 3) If other brands list where to purchase them, I think it should be removed from those pages. I don't think it adds anything encyclopedic to the page, but does reduce its credibility.  We can ask for a WP:3O if you'd like.  The information on where to purchase them can be found with much greater accuracy and reliability on the henckels webpage, which is attached in the external links section. WLU 19:41, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Trident, Dreizack
Some early knives say "Trident Dreizack, Solingen" only and other also say Henckels, so this must a brand that merged with Henckels. David R. Ingham (talk) 19:38, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Son's date of birth (History)
The History section says Henckel's son was born 40 years after he registered the company name. That would make him (probably) around 60 when his son was born. Possible I suppose but unlikely, surely? Madgenberyl (talk) 23:31, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Henckels history reference
The current (May 27, 2013) Henckels history reference linked to a non-Henckels scissors company. I tried to update the link to the real history of Henckels, at the Henckels website. My HTTP code is a bit rusty, but I think I got it right. 67.166.36.134 (talk) 04:42, 28 May 2013 (UTC) Dave Needham  needham98@yahoo.com 67.166.36.134 (talk) 04:42, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

J.A. Henckels, Knife/Razor?
Dear sir/Madden I have Knife/Razor I don't know which and i can not find it anywhere. It has a knife blade but at the end it looks like a razor it's about 3/4 inch wide where you could hold it as and use as a razor. it's J.A. Henckles Germany on the blade. which is about 31/2 inches long. black handles. help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.147.120.156 (talk) 01:23, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Brand confusion
There appears to be three "levels" of Henckels cutlery which this page doesn't really explain, leading me to think this was all written by the PR department of Henckels. There are "Zwilling JA Henckels" made in Germany, "International JA Henckels" made in Spain, and just "JA Henckels" which are sold in big chain stores and produced in China of significantly lower quality. A skeptic would argue that they are using brand confusion to trick consumers into believing all Henckels are the same. I believe Wikipedia has the ability to clarify issues like this, and not just serve as a mouthpiece for the company. Perhaps a neutral source with more information than me can improve this page.

Thanks. I bought a set today. Didn't say "China" anywhere on the box. Thought I was getting the real deal. Will be returning them! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.178.132.86 (talk) 06:33, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Brand confusion (cont'd) and official websites
Ok this brand is really confusing...

First of all, is "Zwilling" part of their brand/company name? I understand they brand their products in both "Zwilling JAH" and "JAH International" names (and a lot more), but according to de wiki their official name should be "Zwilling J. A. Henckels" after all if I was correct. Should we follow that?

It leads to second question.. which official website(s), especially English one, should we use? After a brief search I can find:


 * https://www.zwilling.com/de/de/home.html This one looks more "modern", I suppose it should be the up-to-date official German website.
 * https://de.zwilling-shop.com/ the online shop website from the above one.
 * http://www.j-a-henckels.com/en-US Web 1.0 style websites which looks like it hasn't be updated for 10 years, without "Zwilling" but "International" in their logo.
 * http://www2.zwilling.com/en-US Almost idential to last one in term of design, and they're using the same IP so I suppose they're built by same company. However, this one IS branded with "Zwilling".
 * http://www.zwillingonline.com/ An online store with pretty modern design. Can be directed from the former two websites. Features "Zwilling" obviously. I guess this is the one global (U.S.) customers are supposed to visit? They just too lazy to update their main global/English to something similar to German one? Hmm..

--fireattack (talk) 10:09, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Marketing terms
the article is using the term "ice hardened" in at least two places. The hardening that the company does has nothing to do with ice, so the term is incorrect and is used for marketing. Why should company's incorrect marketing terms be used here? 198.96.180.245 (talk) 18:23, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

zwilling
zwilling — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.106.16.198 (talk) 11:53, 4 December 2018 (UTC)